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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Cat Merc wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:At proto:
Currently the Amarr ones have the same mod slots as the assault, but that's going to change with 1.3 with the addition of an extra low slot. They only have 3 equipment slots, but gain a sidearm.
The Minmatar and Gallente have 1 more mod slots than their assault counterpart.
The Cal logi has 2 more mod slots then the assault counterpart. It could be argued that this is fair because they only get 3 equipment slots instead of 2. No, no it isn't. Put a kinetic catalyzer in the extra low slot - No more speed problem, in fact you are faster! Put a shield extender in the extra high slot - Hey! You closed thep HP gap and even got an extra 6hp! I suggest returning the Amarr to the slot layout they had before, give them the sidearm and PG buff, but give them one less equipment slot than the Gal/Cal Logi. I never said I thought the Cal logi slot layout is a good idea, in fact I suggested that a low slot should be removed and replaced with an equipment slot because I think 9 module slots is way too much. I only said it could be argued that it's fair, not that I believe its fair. I suppose now that the shield extender bonus is gone, and moved to the assault, it may make up for the 2 slot difference, but I have not done the math to know. Also fixed the typo where I said 2 instead of 4. I see no point in giving them 8 module slots. Why give them downsides they can compensate for? Remove the extra slot.
Logis sacrifice a lot as you already mentioned especially the sidearm hurts. If you want to have them the same Slot layout give them the same Base HP, Speed and Stamina well at least the same Speed and Stamina...
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
So...
You want to be a better assault?
Dude, the sidearm isn't a big deal when you have an assault rifle with 60 bullets in the clip.
With this suggestion, the only way the logi would be fair is if it had only 2 equipment slots.
Nope if I want to go on a slayer role I stick with my Gall Medium suit or I switch to my scout (this is rather hardmode and needs more flanking etc) I just don't want a class to be over nerfed. And my sidearm saved my ass countless times and I have died a lot because my opponent could switch to a sidearm while i could not.
I think with the latest adjustments made by CCP Logis are almost fine for now (until they get the role bonus fixed than we may need a new balance pass).
The sad part is the assault suit do not differ very much from the base Frame thats a Problem. Assaults sacrifice nothing and gain nothing (apart from their skill bonus). So compared to the Medium Frame they are a bit boring :/.
Logis on the other hand differ a from lot the Basic Frame they give something and get something and in my opinion at a fair ratio.
We loose:
Base Shield
Base Amor
Base Speed
Sprint Speed
Base Stamina
Shield recharge
Sidearm
We gain
CPU
PG
2 Equipmentslot
1 Lowslot
(gallente here, can't say much about the others)
Seems somewhat fair
But as I said I would trade the Low slot for more Base Speed and Stamina
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
54
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:34:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
So why give them more module slots than assaults so they can compensate for what you loose?
That makes no sense.
If they gave you exactly the same slot amount then it would be fine.
I can't compensate for the lower shields or the missing sidearm and regarding the rest as far as I see I only can compensate one of the remaining downsides (maybe I oversee something  ) |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:17:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
So why give them more module slots than assaults so they can compensate for what you loose?
That makes no sense.
If they gave you exactly the same slot amount then it would be fine.
I can't compensate for the lower shields or the missing sidearm and regarding the rest as far as I see I only can compensate one of the remaining downsides (maybe I oversee something ) A sidearm isn't a big deal with an AR that has 60 bullets in a clip. If I could give up my sidearm on my assault suit for an extra equipment? I would. And you can compensate for shields, or if you're Gallente then armor. eHP is what's important, doesn't matter if you have 400 armor hp or 400 shield hp, as long as you have 400.
As I said i would trade the Low slot for more Speed and stamina. And regarding the ehp thing it does matter how to achieve your ehp (shields>armor) overcompensating the loss in Shield hp through armor will make you slower and more vulnerable so at the current state this isn't a fair trade.
Don't get me wrong I know the gallente Assault has some serious problems but honestly I believe fixing the assault is the better variant then nerfing everything else. |
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