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Exmaple Core wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

gbghg wrote:

The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit?

If ppl had free miltia tank fits than it would get alot of players blown up and ppl would get the drift to not use them becuase of how reta rd UP they are. srly, all youl be doing is getting blown up in those whhy use them? miltia lavs are more survivable on the other hand and 1 hit ppl on the ram. So they do anti infaintry like a tank does and still survives to do it again and again in the same battle. Thats the difference, if LAVs were weak back to what they were in chromosome were no one complained about lavs because they were reasonable, then they would continue to be reasonable and no one would bring this up as an issue. Now ppl are gona get cought by the ppl who speced into LLAV wich are getting buffed because they dont have a ride. Feel bad for the new players. If they nerfed them back to what they were new players could at least get away

What would happen is that people would be like "why spec into them and pay isk when you get loads of free ones?" any kind of free vehicles instantly devalue any one who decides to specialising into them. Making infantry have to actually pay isk and sp for their vehicles will hopefully make them more aware of the issues vehicles face and will help them understand how vehicles work more. This is quite simply one of the best moves CCP could have made.

I almost agree. I wont say that this is a "bad" fix but this also opens up more promblems. The sagas are getting buffed with built in hardners and a fearsome natural recharge rate that is greater than a tanks (wich a tank should have -_-) so their becoming more hardy than they are. Plus, the veteran players are pretty gone and this game is populated by open beta, low SP noobs who dont know how to play. Their not going to be able to comprehend or afford to buy milita lavs their gona walk. So, those who speced into lavs already are gona come out with buffs and run everyone over even harder. Noobs are going to see this and spec into this because they cant win the conventional methods of warfare (i.e. shoooting ppl) and continue to run ppl over. The promblem will arise again.

Like i said in the OP. We asked for a fix because Lavs are too powerful, they are harder to kill than tanks and kill everyone they touch, a very easy feat as we all know. So, free lavs are removed and the exsisting, powerful lavs gets buffed. That is the oppisite of what we asked for, now ppl are going to spec into lavs and kill everyone with even more impossible to kill Lavs


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gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2698	Posted - 2013.07.19 17:10:00 - [1] - Quote The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2698	Posted - 2013.07.19 17:29:00 - [2] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: gbghg wrote: The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit? If ppl had free miltia tank fits than it would get alot of players blown up and ppl would get the drift to not use them becuase of how reta rd UP they are. srly, all youl be doing is getting blown up in those whhy use them? miltia lavs are more survivable on the other hand and 1 hit ppl on the ram. So they do anti infaintry like a tank does and still survives to do it again and again in the same battle. Thats the difference, if LAVs were weak back to what they were in chromosome were no one complained about lavs because they were reasonable, then they would continue to be reasonable and no one would bring this up as an issue. Now ppl are gona get cought by the ppl who speced into LLAV wich are getting buffed because they dont have a ride. Feel bad for the new players. If they nerfed them back to what they were new players could at least get away What would happen is that people would be like "why spec into them and pay isk when you get loads of free ones?" any kind of free vehicles instantly devalue any one who decides to specialising into them. Making infantry have to actually pay isk and sp for their vehicles will hopefully make them more aware of the issues vehicles face and will help them understand how vehicles work more. This is quite simply one of the best moves CCP could have made.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2699	Posted - 2013.07.19 17:50:00 - [3] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: gbghg wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: gbghg wrote: The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit? If ppl had free miltia tank fits than it would get alot of players blown up and ppl would get the drift to not use them becuase of how reta rd UP they are. srly, all youl be doing is getting blown up in those whhy use them? miltia lavs are more survivable on the other hand and 1 hit ppl on the ram. So they do anti infaintry like a tank does and still survives to do it again and again in the same battle. Thats the difference, if LAVs were weak back to what they were in chromosome were no one complained about lavs because they were reasonable, then they would continue to be reasonable and no one would bring this up as an issue. Now ppl are gona get cought by the ppl who speced into LLAV wich are getting buffed because they dont have a ride. Feel bad for the new players. If they nerfed them back to what they were new players could at least get away What would happen is that people would be like "why spec into them and pay isk when you get loads of free ones?" any kind of free vehicles instantly devalue any one who decides to specialising into them. Making infantry have to actually pay isk and sp for their vehicles will hopefully make them more aware of the issues vehicles face and will help them understand how vehicles work more. This is quite simply one of the best moves CCP could have made. I almost agree. I wont say that this is a "bad" fix but this also opens up more promblems. The sagas are getting buffed with built in hardners and a fearsome natural recharge rate that is greater than a tanks (wich a tank should have -_-) so their becoming more hardy than they are. Plus, the veteran players are pretty gone and this game is populated by open beta, low SP noobs who dont know how to play. Their not going to be able to comprehend or afford to buy milita lavs their gona walk. So, those who speced into lavs already are gona come out with buffs and run everyone over even harder. Noobs are going to see this and spec into this because they cant win the conventional methods of warfare (i.e. shoooting ppl) and continue to run ppl over. The promblem will arise again. Like i said in the OP. We asked for a fix because Lavs are too powerful, they are harder to kill than tanks and kill everyone they touch, a very easy feat as we all know. So, free lavs are removed and the exsisting, powerful lavs gets buffed. That is the oppisite of what we asked for, now ppl are going to spec into lavs and kill everyone with even more impossible to kill Lavs I have to agree that it doesn't solve the murder taxi issue, though it gone some way to reducing the amount you see. Well probably have to wait untill 1.4 for it to be fixed but at least they're working on it. And I think your getting the saga co feed with the sage 2, which is a tier 2 vehicle. Think of it this way, if a tier 2 LAV is better than a tier 1 tank, what must the tier 2 tanks be like?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2699	Posted - 2013.07.19 18:17:00 - [4] - Quote @maple I was talking about survivability, not firepower. Tanks will always be the king in that regard. The lav's being such good killers right now is down to the murder taxi issue, but that said back in chromosome I knew of a couple of methana fits thT could give a tank a run for it's money in kill count, provided it had a good crew that is. And unfortunately I wasn't, I first got into the closed beta around September but for various reasons didn't start playing u til January.