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Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:32:00 -
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Is the extra 10 percent to shield extenders better then the 10 percent to reload bonus?
It seems better imo, but I think 2.5 or even 3 percent per level would have been balance while not being OP.
Edit:sorry I edited with giving a notice. |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:33:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Is the extra 10 percent to shield extenders better then the 10 percent to reload bonus?
It seems better imo.
Saves me the hassle of specing into logi. Never saw the point cause everyone knew it would be rebalanced.
Let the Respec QQ start lol |
Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:34:00 -
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love it |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:35:00 -
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Except for people who were using the Caldari Assault as a means to quickly reload the plasma cannon. Since the plasma cannon is one shot per clip, every little bit of reload time shaved off was directly impacting its rate of fire. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Except for people who were using the Caldari Assault as a means to quickly reload the plasma cannon. Since the plasma cannon is one shot per clip, every little bit of reload time shaved off was directly impacting its rate of fire. Plasma Cannon will get a buff eventuallyGäó |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:39:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Except for people who were using the Caldari Assault as a means to quickly reload the plasma cannon. Since the plasma cannon is one shot per clip, every little bit of reload time shaved off was directly impacting its rate of fire. I can understand why. I use the plasma cannon but on a gal assault and I would welcome any small buff to reload speed through skills.
Maybe they will add a more general reload skill soon. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:44:00 -
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They took the worse Assault suit bonus and made it even worse!!! WTF!
Lets choose which would you rather have a Galante suit that gets 25% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weapons or 7 extra hp per complex shield extender. That is a max bonus of 28 extra shields in a proto suit that runs 4 complex shield extenders. Most likely in normal (Proto) use that means 14-21 extra HP.
I just add this to the list of stupid ideas from CCP. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:56:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:They took the worse Assault suit bonus and made it even worse!!! WTF!
Lets choose which would you rather have a Galante suit that gets 25% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weapons or 7 extra hp per complex shield extender. That is a max bonus of 28 extra shields in a proto suit that runs 4 complex shield extenders. Most likely in normal (Proto) use that means 14-21 extra HP.
I just add this to the list of stupid ideas from CCP. How much does a prototype AR cost in fitting? 70/15? Their racial skill then amounts to +17 CPU and +3 PG if it rounds down. Extra fitting is always welcome but it's hardly a stellar skill itself as it affects 1 piece of the dropsuit.
It's also attached to an armour tanker that gets skills that assist it with shield tanking. Caldari Assault actually gets the most mileage out of the shield recharge that comes with Assault so they really ain't hard done by. Honestly, in conjunction with that, the upcoming new racial isn't so bad. Makes the Assault slightly tougher than the basic with a good boost to recovery on their tank type. More buffer between the two important thresholds, depleted shield recharge and death. |
We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:00:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Is the extra 10 percent to shield extenders better then the 10 percent to reload bonus?
It seems better imo. Saves me the hassle of specing into logi. Never saw the point cause everyone knew it would be rebalanced. Let the Respec QQ start lol
Way WAY too late for that as soon as the re-balancing notes came out the "we need a respec" battle cry went up. Its only because they dumped all the SP they had into Caldari logi, flaylocks and apparently the hidden skill WHINING CEASELESSLY! and they got that up to rank 5 |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:08:00 -
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All i have to say is, Thank you CCP. I was still Loyal to My Caldari AR. Time for me to get rewarded... |
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semperfi1999
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:18:00 -
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I have to say congrats on Caldari finally getting a good racial bonus.....
Now Minmatar needs some love for their racial bonus.
Current breakdown with new info. From best racial bonus to worst Caldari>Amarr=Gallente>>Minmatar.
I think the balance will shine on the assault suits if the minmatar bonus gets changed to a 25% increase to stamina (and maybe stamina regen as well). If that happens then every racial varient will have bonuses that fits that races attributes. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:31:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:
I think the balance will shine on the assault suits if the minmatar bonus gets changed to a 25% increase to stamina (and maybe stamina regen as well). If that happens then every racial varient will have bonuses that fits that races attributes.
Shotguns already house on medium frames....a bonus like that.....ouch |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:32:00 -
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Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size? |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:42:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size?
You mean other than the fact that is the worst assault bonus in the game and the fact that it doesnt even fit the the supposed minmatar battle philosophy (speed).
If you think 25% is too much I would be willing to have a lower number.....I woudl just like something that is useful on the minmatar suit....instead of having a worthless bonus. |
Crimson Judgment
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:45:00 -
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yeah about using caldari assault for the reload...
there's a nice shiny commando suit that gets 5% reload to any light weapon/sidearm if the reload means that much to you. |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:50:00 -
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Assault suit was essentially useless with its bonus, I was sitting with Proto Med Frames for a while, didn't want to spec into either Logi or Assault, Assault bound. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:54:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size? You mean other than the fact that is the worst assault bonus in the game and the fact that it doesnt even fit the the supposed minmatar battle philosophy (speed). If you think 25% is too much I would be willing to have a lower number.....I woudl just like something that is useful on the minmatar suit....instead of having a worthless bonus.
I always thought Minmatar Battle Philosophy is Dakka Dakka Dakka Minmatar Defense Policy is speed.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:59:00 -
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I think those Caldari assault players will be upset that they won't have their shield extender bonus anymore. |
Grezkev
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:03:00 -
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I dun care. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:03:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size? You mean other than the fact that is the worst assault bonus in the game and the fact that it doesnt even fit the the supposed minmatar battle philosophy (speed). If you think 25% is too much I would be willing to have a lower number.....I woudl just like something that is useful on the minmatar suit....instead of having a worthless bonus.
Lmao Minmatar assault bonus is one of the best in the game. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:05:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Except for people who were using the Caldari Assault as a means to quickly reload the plasma cannon. Since the plasma cannon is one shot per clip, every little bit of reload time shaved off was directly impacting its rate of fire. commando suit bonus is higher. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:41:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size? You mean other than the fact that is the worst assault bonus in the game and the fact that it doesnt even fit the the supposed minmatar battle philosophy (speed). If you think 25% is too much I would be willing to have a lower number.....I woudl just like something that is useful on the minmatar suit....instead of having a worthless bonus. Lmao Minmatar assault bonus is one of the best in the game.
LOL is all I have to say about this....hmmm
Better than boost to extenders? Nope
Better than decreased fitting requirements for weapons (on top of the decreases you can already obtain through SP) Nope
Better than increased head reduction? Nope
On top of that they now have the only racial bonus that does not even fit with their racial weaponry philosophy.....and its just the worst bonus for the assault suits period. |
Dr Allopathy
Homos Erected
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:52:00 -
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Minmatar Proto Assault + Freedom Mass Driver + Flux Grenades = Hell |
GVGISDEAD
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:53:00 -
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Quote: So how do Caldari Assaults feel about the change to there suits?Subscrib
their* |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:59:00 -
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Finally, i'll be touching close to 600 shields on my caldari assault
no more caldari logi to get in my way on the battlefield
new eden, prepare your anus. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size? You mean other than the fact that is the worst assault bonus in the game and the fact that it doesnt even fit the the supposed minmatar battle philosophy (speed). If you think 25% is too much I would be willing to have a lower number.....I woudl just like something that is useful on the minmatar suit....instead of having a worthless bonus. I always thought Minmatar Battle Philosophy is Dakka Dakka Dakka Minmatar Defense Policy is speed.
This is true in Eve. But so far what's been true in Eve hasn't necessarily been true in Dust.
Eve Amarr and Gallente are armor tanks. Caldari and Minmatar are shield tanks.
Dust Amarr are omni tank. Caldari are shield tank. Galente are armor tank. Minmatar are speed (aka paper-mache) tank. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:38:00 -
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Where?? |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:43:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Hawkin P wrote:They took the worse Assault suit bonus and made it even worse!!! WTF!
Lets choose which would you rather have a Galante suit that gets 25% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weapons or 7 extra hp per complex shield extender. That is a max bonus of 28 extra shields in a proto suit that runs 4 complex shield extenders. Most likely in normal (Proto) use that means 14-21 extra HP.. How much does a prototype AR cost in fitting? 70/15? Their racial skill then amounts to +17 CPU and +3 PG if it rounds down. Extra fitting is always welcome but it's hardly a stellar skill itself as it affects 1 piece of the dropsuit. It's also attached to an armour tanker that gets skills that assist it with shield tanking. Caldari Assault actually gets the most mileage out of the shield recharge that comes with Assault so they really ain't hard done by. Honestly, in conjunction with that, the upcoming new racial isn't so bad. Makes the Assault slightly tougher than the basic with a good boost to recovery on their tank type. More buffer between the two important thresholds, depleted shield recharge and death.
None of any what you said matters at all. Its a racial bonus that gives you 28HP (At best) or half a bullet's damage. I'd much much much rather have the 25% reload back, or any of the other suits bonuses. |
Bob Teller
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 20:55:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Poplo Furuya wrote:Hawkin P wrote:They took the worse Assault suit bonus and made it even worse!!! WTF!
Lets choose which would you rather have a Galante suit that gets 25% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weapons or 7 extra hp per complex shield extender. That is a max bonus of 28 extra shields in a proto suit that runs 4 complex shield extenders. Most likely in normal (Proto) use that means 14-21 extra HP.. How much does a prototype AR cost in fitting? 70/15? Their racial skill then amounts to +17 CPU and +3 PG if it rounds down. Extra fitting is always welcome but it's hardly a stellar skill itself as it affects 1 piece of the dropsuit. It's also attached to an armour tanker that gets skills that assist it with shield tanking. Caldari Assault actually gets the most mileage out of the shield recharge that comes with Assault so they really ain't hard done by. Honestly, in conjunction with that, the upcoming new racial isn't so bad. Makes the Assault slightly tougher than the basic with a good boost to recovery on their tank type. More buffer between the two important thresholds, depleted shield recharge and death. None of any what you said matters at all. Its a racial bonus that gives you 28HP (At best) or half a bullet's damage. I'd much much much rather have the 25% reload back, or any of the other suits bonuses. It's 15% and it's way better then 28hp,14 for me since i run 2 dammage mods.Wtf?I didnt spec into caldari logi because i knew it was op and it would get nerf and now that's how i get rewarded? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:24:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Wait, what's wrong with bonus to clip size? You mean other than the fact that is the worst assault bonus in the game and the fact that it doesnt even fit the the supposed minmatar battle philosophy (speed). If you think 25% is too much I would be willing to have a lower number.....I woudl just like something that is useful on the minmatar suit....instead of having a worthless bonus. Lmao Minmatar assault bonus is one of the best in the game. LOL is all I have to say about this....hmmm Better than boost to extenders? Nope Better than decreased fitting requirements for weapons (on top of the decreases you can already obtain through SP) Nope Better than increased head reduction? Nope On top of that they now have the only racial bonus that does not even fit with their racial weaponry philosophy.....and its just the worst bonus for the assault suits period.
Does not fit their weapon philosophy? Every Minmatar weapon is a cqc weapon. You sprint in, flux like hell, then spray a million bullets at the entire squad you just jumped into. With a breach smg you're able to take down several enemies before you even have to reload.
Reduced fitting for Gallente is pointless when they can just get a logi and have more PG & CPU anyway. Reduced heat for Amarr only applies to two weapons, and is a necessity to make those weapons either viable or competitive.
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