DUST Search - Flaylock pistols and mass drivers are OP.

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

RINON114 wrote:

Mass driver is getting a little ridiculous too in fairness, given that a lot of people have started just throwing explosions everywhere it's f'ing ridiculous. I think CCP are trolling armour hard, especially given the recent discount on advanced contact grenades.

MD needs a tiny damage reduction and maybe one less round in the chamber. The other thing the MD needs above anything is to be lethal to the user. I have been toe to toe with MD users, SMG'ing their face off for them to point blank shoot the floor underneath me (and themselves) for the damage to outright kill me and not even scratch them.

The mass driver damage is already pretty low for what it is and has very little difference between std-pro level at the moment damage wise at the moment bringing it down would make it ineffective at it's intended role(Area denial) we had a similar problem in 1.0-1.1 where because of the splash damage not working correctly it was almost useless in that role as it didn't do enough damage to have the 'fear factor' that it dose now and make the person/group you were shooting at retreat,instead they would push forward while you fired multiple rounds simply gunning you down as you futility tried to hold them back.

The suggestion you made on clipsize yields similar problems with that it would decrease it's effectiveness as an area denial weapon as the mass driver is already short on ammo and clipsize reducing one (or both) of those would impact it negatively as well making it nothing more then a troll/fun weapon like the plasma cannon:Fun to use but not effective compared to other weapons in it's class.

I understand Your frustration but it seems to come more from many using it and you being killed repeatedly by it rather then any balance issues(don't wanna put words in your mouth but that's what I'm picking up,not saying that's the case),any weapon used on the field can be overwhelming when used by multiple hostiles even if it's not the best. (example:HMG)

As for armor....yeah it sucks,not the mass drivers fault though.

P.S:mass drivers do kill the user if they are in the splash radius but because not many use the assault mass driver they can easily stay out of said range as it's smaller on the 'normal' mass driver then the assault,it's also the mass driver that dose more splash damage.

P.S.S:I think you'll be happy to know contact nade price has been increased again (should be removed)

PS.S.S: My grammar sucks Big smile


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RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.07.17 13:55:00 - [1] - Quote Mass driver is getting a little ridiculous too in fairness, given that a lot of people have started just throwing explosions everywhere it's f'ing ridiculous. I think CCP are trolling armour hard, especially given the recent discount on advanced contact grenades. MD needs a tiny damage reduction and maybe one less round in the chamber. The other thing the MD needs above anything is to be lethal to the user. I have been toe to toe with MD users, SMG'ing their face off for them to point blank shoot the floor underneath me (and themselves) for the damage to outright kill me and not even scratch them.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: RINON114 wrote: Mass driver is getting a little ridiculous too in fairness, given that a lot of people have started just throwing explosions everywhere it's f'ing ridiculous. I think CCP are trolling armour hard, especially given the recent discount on advanced contact grenades. MD needs a tiny damage reduction and maybe one less round in the chamber. The other thing the MD needs above anything is to be lethal to the user. I have been toe to toe with MD users, SMG'ing their face off for them to point blank shoot the floor underneath me (and themselves) for the damage to outright kill me and not even scratch them. The mass driver damage is already pretty low for what it is and has very little difference between std-pro level at the moment damage wise at the moment bringing it down would make it ineffective at it's intended role(Area denial) we had a similar problem in 1.0-1.1 where because of the splash damage not working correctly it was almost useless in that role as it didn't do enough damage to have the 'fear factor' that it dose now and make the person/group you were shooting at retreat,instead they would push forward while you fired multiple rounds simply gunning you down as you futility tried to hold them back. The suggestion you made on clipsize yields similar problems with that it would decrease it's effectiveness as an area denial weapon as the mass driver is already short on ammo and clipsize reducing one (or both) of those would impact it negatively as well making it nothing more then a troll/fun weapon like the plasma cannon:Fun to use but not effective compared to other weapons in it's class. I understand Your frustration but it seems to come more from many using it and you being killed repeatedly by it rather then any balance issues(don't wanna put words in your mouth but that's what I'm picking up,not saying that's the case),any weapon used on the field can be overwhelming when used by multiple hostiles even if it's not the best. (example:HMG) As for armor....yeah it sucks,not the mass drivers fault though. P.S:mass drivers do kill the user if they are in the splash radius but because not many use the assault mass driver they can easily stay out of said range as it's smaller on the 'normal' mass driver then the assault,it's also the mass driver that dose more splash damage. P.S.S:I think you'll be happy to know contact nade price has been increased again (should be removed) PS.S.S: My grammar sucks My frustration with the MD comes exactly from what I've already stated, mainly that it seems to do no damage to the user. I find people using it in CQC far too often. Personally I would just like to see a minimum travel time on them with one or two points in damage reduction.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2013.07.18 12:04:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: RINON114 wrote: Mass driver is getting a little ridiculous too in fairness, given that a lot of people have started just throwing explosions everywhere it's f'ing ridiculous. I think CCP are trolling armour hard, especially given the recent discount on advanced contact grenades. MD needs a tiny damage reduction and maybe one less round in the chamber. The other thing the MD needs above anything is to be lethal to the user. I have been toe to toe with MD users, SMG'ing their face off for them to point blank shoot the floor underneath me (and themselves) for the damage to outright kill me and not even scratch them. You do realize the MD took a damage and splash radius nerf already, right? It got overnerfed in Uprising but got buffed back up slightly in 1.2 but has worse field longevity compared to Chrome because of the nanohive nerf and EHP buff on dropsuits. It's pretty much gimped, but some people manage to make it look good. I do know that, yes. I'm not asking to nerf it back onto the moons of Luminaire (if it even has any moons) but it does need a tiiiiny nerf now and it'll be perfect. It should be area denial because it softens targets for others, not outright kills them.