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Gods Architect
Internal Error. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:35:00 -
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The greatly respected Kujo declared war on Teamplayers and convinced the whole alliance to enter the war after the raid from Red Star. Thus the Great War began. After the after the weapons of mass destruction disarmament (i.e. Flaylocks and contact grenades) was reached on the second day of this war. Hellstorm was the bulk of the LOI fighting force. EoN now fighting a war raging on two fronts used the Teamplayers to keep the majority of the LOI alliance busy as the EoN Empire struggle to hold back both invaders. On the third day of the war it became apparent that the strategy of EoN was working; with the WMD Disarmament packed agreed upon, EoN was now getting in the faces of the LOI Alliance. On the 4th day Hellstorm the bulk of the LOI fighting force started wavering. Battles are being lost, men are being exhausted and leaving. On the last day of the Hellstrom lost some territories and Kujo and his most closest officers empties the Hellstorm wallet and left the corp to fight on it own. (This is what I am told, idk if its all true) This betrayal almost rivals that of BoB's CEO in the 2nd Northern War with the GOONs |
Pikachu Power
Planetary Response Organisation
3
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:12:00 -
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At least I can say that I fought to the last clone. The war was short, but it was by far the bloodiest ground conflict to date. -Charlotte O'Dell |
Maximus Tarashara
Red Star. EoN.
11
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:21:00 -
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are you serious? Kujo did that to Hellstorm.....wow that's low |
ReGnUM Public Relations
EoN Public Relations
383
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:42:00 -
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Just consider this EoN dismantling the LoI terrorist organization and freezing your assets
EoN Fighting for a better Tomorrow |
danny12343331
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
115
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:02:00 -
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Just clearing this out kujo did not steal the money from hellstorms wallet, but if anything kujo is the one that put more work into hellstorm rather than anyone else ever did. |
Gods Architect
Internal Error. League of Infamy
231
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:47:00 -
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danny12343331 wrote:Just clearing this out kujo did not steal the money from hellstorms wallet, but if anything kujo is the one that put more work into hellstorm rather than anyone else ever did. He stole over a billion isk and joined What the Flux |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:49:00 -
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danny12343331 wrote:Just clearing this out kujo did not steal the money from hellstorms wallet, but if anything kujo is the one that put more work into hellstorm rather than anyone else ever did.
If you take money out of the corp wallet and leave to make another corp. This is called STEALING. They didn't loan it to him. That money was for HELLSTORM no matter who made it. It was made for HELLSTORM. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
756
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:58:00 -
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danny12343331 wrote:Just clearing this out kujo did not steal the money from hellstorms wallet, but if anything kujo is the one that put more work into hellstorm rather than anyone else ever did.
Well, he took over 1.3 billion, which I guess he considered a paycheck for all the work he did for HS (which was a LOT, I won't deny). But I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have just handed that to him as he left our ranks, so whether his taking that money was justified or not... it was stealing. |
Twisted202
Internal Error. League of Infamy
246
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:01:00 -
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Kujo...
Did he really steal the wallet?
I was told he left but thats it. HS still have leaders but leaders with no ISK, i think they need donations -_-
A great leader has to admit defeat when victory is impossible. Its that time... |
Gods Architect
Internal Error. League of Infamy
232
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:12:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Kujo...
Did he really steal the wallet?
I was told he left but thats it. HS still have leaders but leaders with no ISK, i think they need donations -_-
A great leader has to admit defeat when victory is impossible. Its that time... The General should never steal from what his men earned. |
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Anuliadon Gortusk
Who Gives A Flux
68
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:14:00 -
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...Kujo didn't leave hellstorm high and dry he mentioned they have plenty of isk which was removed prior to his departure. I'm sure Hellstorm will be fine both financially and in PC. |
Gods Architect
Internal Error. League of Infamy
232
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:17:00 -
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doesn't change the fact that he betrayed his men and corp. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:17:00 -
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Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:...Kujo didn't leave hellstorm high and dry he mentioned they have plenty of isk which was removed prior to his departure. I'm sure Hellstorm will be fine both financially and in PC.
Still irrelevant. Doesn't take away from the fact that he stole ISK. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:18:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:doesn't change the fact that he betrayed his men and corp.
We think alike. This tells me you think with logic. I like that... |
Twisted202
Internal Error. League of Infamy
246
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:26:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Kujo...
Did he really steal the wallet?
I was told he left but thats it. HS still have leaders but leaders with no ISK, i think they need donations -_-
A great leader has to admit defeat when victory is impossible. Its that time... The General should never steal from what his men earned.
That wasn't aimed at him it was aimed at the rest of the alliance leaders lol |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:44:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Gods Architect wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Kujo...
Did he really steal the wallet?
I was told he left but thats it. HS still have leaders but leaders with no ISK, i think they need donations -_-
A great leader has to admit defeat when victory is impossible. Its that time... The General should never steal from what his men earned. That wasn't aimed at him it was aimed at the rest of the alliance leaders lol
Um, I am pretty sure even Architect sees that Kujo's actions are wrong. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
754
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:02:00 -
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ow dear, Their leaders jump ship as soon as the going gets tough.
Very scruby move by Kujo taking all that ISK. no one will ever trust you again. |
Twisted202
Internal Error. League of Infamy
246
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:03:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Gods Architect wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Kujo...
Did he really steal the wallet?
I was told he left but thats it. HS still have leaders but leaders with no ISK, i think they need donations -_-
A great leader has to admit defeat when victory is impossible. Its that time... The General should never steal from what his men earned. That wasn't aimed at him it was aimed at the rest of the alliance leaders lol Um, I am pretty sure even Architect sees that Kujo's actions are wrong.
He thought i was justifying kujos actions. I wasn't.
Simply saying that the LOI leaders need to realise defeat and save what they have. |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Who Gives A Flux
69
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:17:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Gods Architect wrote:doesn't change the fact that he betrayed his men and corp. We think alike. This tells me you think with logic. I like that... So as a logical thinker which you claim you are. Then you would know how corporations work (just so happens we have corporations in dust...crazy i know) as the world is run by business which is logical thinking. So think to a big law firm or a big corporation, when a managing partner leaves he is entitled to his severance package which is often a lump sum of money plus cashing in stock, what Kujo took would be considered his severance package. So to bring this full circle Kujo as a director is entitled to his slice of the pie upon leaving just like any owner is when they decide to leave a company. Logical thinking is great. But regardless saying Kujo betrayed his men, for the most part the true pc "core" of hellstorm left with him. Betraying his corp hardly, the corp had betrayed several members and Kujo decided to take a stand and say enough is enough. So yes this may hurt people's feelings but the decision is indeed very logical and the corp betrayed its own member which resulted in kujo taking action. |
The Loathing
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
156
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:26:00 -
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Regardless of how the "Corp" may have turned on him, 1 Billion is more than one man would have earned in PC and organisation.
You talk like this was a severance package. But was the removal of funds approved by the board? If so, then happy days for him. Personally I don't believe ANY player is good enough in this game to be worth that much at this stage, but oh well.
However, if this was not a sanctioned payment, then stop trying to act like it is rightfully his. It's stealing. Theft. Plain and simple. |
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Max Tankitus
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:32:00 -
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Sha and Kujo spotted in squad tonight appear to not be playing but perhaps in a meeting about a future alliance?News at 11 |
Heavy Salvo
Gravity Prone EoN.
32
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:51:00 -
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If this means LoI is backing down and and we get even less pc........we'll die of boredom T^T |
Deadeyes Anterie
Gravity Prone EoN.
667
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Posted - 2013.07.17 09:29:00 -
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Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Gods Architect wrote:doesn't change the fact that he betrayed his men and corp. We think alike. This tells me you think with logic. I like that... So as a logical thinker which you claim you are. Then you would know how corporations work (just so happens we have corporations in dust...crazy i know) as the world is run by business which is logical thinking. So think to a big law firm or a big corporation, when a managing partner leaves he is entitled to his severance package which is often a lump sum of money plus cashing in stock, what Kujo took would be considered his severance package. So to bring this full circle Kujo as a director is entitled to his slice of the pie upon leaving just like any owner is when they decide to leave a company. Logical thinking is great. But regardless saying Kujo betrayed his "men", for the most part the true pc "core" of hellstorm left with him and if anybody were kujo's "men" it was them. Betraying his corp hardly, the corp had betrayed several members and Kujo decided to take a stand and say enough is enough. So yes this may hurt people's feelings but the decision is indeed very logical and the corp betrayed its own member which resulted in kujo taking action.
As someone who recently liberated a Corp wallet much greater than yours I split up 95% of it among the members who earned it. It's easy to think well I got into the position to take it all so I should make the calls for how it is spent, or I deserve the ISK. Some people were upset of course any time you distribute ISK people are going to be angry about how you decide to do it, but keeping over a billion ISK of Hellstorm's members ISK to fund your own side venture is a ****** move in my opinion. While my loyalty is not the strongest, my sense of justice is pretty high. It was a very unjust move and I suspect it will be met with the karma it deserves. |
DJINN Kujo
Who Gives A Flux
377
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Posted - 2013.07.17 09:57:00 -
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To clear up your confusion: DJINN Punisher always preached about, "I rather have the corp ISK into our PC players hand so they can be using proto gear." Well seeing how myself the guys that decided to come with me were the main reason for obtaining such an amount of ISK. I felt it was necessary to pull some ISK from the wallet, so that those players could obtain that ISK.
- To clarify to EoN. which I know Punisher approached you saying, "Kujo stole all the ISK, we don't have money for war." DJINN Phoenix has an alt account, don't recall the name. But it has 2 Billion ISK sitting on the side as a note of 'savings', and he's not the only one. DJINN Punisher has an alt named DJINN Stygal that has 700 million ISK AT LEAST on it. But of course I took all the money... lol. There is actually another alt account that has 1 billion on it as well. But won't give up that name for their sake seeing how he's a close friend of mine. But all in all, what I took was about 1/4 of what Hellstorm really has. - - So there you have it. I wouldn't expect anything less from Punisher but to try to pin the person who did the majority of the work for Hellstorm and the alliance. - - - As far as the war with EoN. - I had attacked Intrepidus not knowing they were in EoN., instantly got a message from ChicagoCubs saying "You know there in EoN. right?" Well seeing how at this point, I think both parties were twiddling their thumbs and trying to find a reason to battle each other. I jumped into our alliance chat, had a quick chat with fellow alliance leaders about it, they said they were ready. - - - - But of course now that I leave for 3 days, and by Punisher changing up what I had in place for PC battles, they start losing, players get mad, lot's of hate go back and forth. Even hate directed towards me from individuals within Hellstorm. I felt betrayed at this point, thus making me leave what Hellstorms' turmoil is experiencing. - - - - - But for you trolls out there: how valid is it, when you say "Kujo left cause EoN. was whooping LOI the days he was absent.?" Note: the same Kujo who streamed on Twitch for 8 hours on Saturday after beating TeamPlayers 3 games in a row, and going back and forth on wins/losses with the rest of EoN. throughout the day? So go ahead keep convincing yourself that you know the situation, you might infatuate yourself with it. |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
481
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:04:00 -
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I just want to know as close to the truth as possible.
Because I give a flux. |
DJINN Kujo
Who Gives A Flux
377
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:21:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:I just want to know as close to the truth as possible.
Because I give a flux.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
730
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:40:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:The greatly respected Kujo declared war on Teamplayers and convinced the whole alliance to enter the war after the raid from Red Star. Thus the Great War began. After the after the weapons of mass destruction disarmament (i.e. Flaylocks and contact grenades) was reached on the second day of this war. Hellstorm was the bulk of the LOI fighting force. EoN now fighting a war raging on two fronts used the Teamplayers to keep the majority of the LOI alliance busy as the EoN Empire struggle to hold back both invaders. On the third day of the war it became apparent that the strategy of EoN was working; with the WMD Disarmament packed agreed upon, EoN was now getting in the faces of the LOI Alliance. On the 4th day Hellstorm the bulk of the LOI fighting force started wavering. Battles are being lost, men are being exhausted and leaving. On the last day of the Hellstrom lost some territories and Kujo and his most closest officers empties the Hellstorm wallet and left the corp to fight on it own. (This is what I am told, idk if its all true) This betrayal almost rivals that of BoB's CEO in the 2nd Northern War with the GOONs NOT even close the the level of warfare that went on with BoB.... but hell this almost makes its own history. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Gravity Prone EoN.
667
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:46:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:To clear up your confusion: DJINN Punisher always preached about, "I rather have the corp ISK into our PC players hand so they can be using proto gear." Well seeing how myself the guys that decided to come with me were the main reason for obtaining such an amount of ISK. I felt it was necessary to pull some ISK from the wallet, so that those players could obtain that ISK.
- To clarify to EoN. which I know Punisher approached you saying, "Kujo stole all the ISK, we don't have money for war." DJINN Phoenix has an alt account, don't recall the name. But it has 2 Billion ISK sitting on the side as a note of 'savings', and he's not the only one. DJINN Punisher has an alt named DJINN Stygal that has 700 million ISK AT LEAST on it. But of course I took all the money... lol. There is actually another alt account that has 1 billion on it as well. But won't give up that name for their sake seeing how he's a close friend of mine. But all in all, what I took was about 1/4 of what Hellstorm really has. - - So there you have it. I wouldn't expect anything less from Punisher but to try to pin the person who did the majority of the work for Hellstorm and the alliance. - - - As far as the war with EoN. - I had attacked Intrepidus not knowing they were in EoN., instantly got a message from ChicagoCubs saying "You know there in EoN. right?" Well seeing how at this point, I think both parties were twiddling their thumbs and trying to find a reason to battle each other. I jumped into our alliance chat, had a quick chat with fellow alliance leaders about it, they said they were ready. - - - - But of course now that I leave for 3 days, and by Punisher changing up what I had in place for PC battles, they start losing, players get mad, lot's of hate go back and forth. Even hate directed towards me from individuals within Hellstorm. I felt betrayed at this point, thus making me leave what Hellstorms' turmoil is experiencing. - - - - - But for you trolls out there: how valid is it, when you say "Kujo left cause EoN. was whooping LOI the days he was absent.?" Note: the same Kujo who streamed on Twitch for 8 hours on Saturday after beating TeamPlayers 3 games in a row, and going back and forth on wins/losses with the rest of EoN. throughout the day? So go ahead keep convincing yourself that you know the situation, you might infatuate yourself with it.
A satisfying answer for a confused yet interested outside party. Thanks for taking the time. |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
754
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:48:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:To clear up your confusion: DJINN Punisher always preached about, "I rather have the corp ISK into our PC players hand so they can be using proto gear." Well seeing how myself the guys that decided to come with me were the main reason for obtaining such an amount of ISK. I felt it was necessary to pull some ISK from the wallet, so that those players could obtain that ISK.
- To clarify to EoN. which I know Punisher approached you saying, "Kujo stole all the ISK, we don't have money for war." DJINN Phoenix has an alt account, don't recall the name. But it has 2 Billion ISK sitting on the side as a note of 'savings', and he's not the only one. DJINN Punisher has an alt named DJINN Stygal that has 700 million ISK AT LEAST on it. But of course I took all the money... lol. There is actually another alt account that has 1 billion on it as well. But won't give up that name for their sake seeing how he's a close friend of mine. But all in all, what I took was about 1/4 of what Hellstorm really has. - - So there you have it. I wouldn't expect anything less from Punisher but to try to pin the person who did the majority of the work for Hellstorm and the alliance. t.
It doesnt matter how you put it you still took ISK that wasnt yours to take.
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Deadeyes Anterie
Gravity Prone EoN.
668
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:50:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:DJINN Kujo wrote:To clear up your confusion: DJINN Punisher always preached about, "I rather have the corp ISK into our PC players hand so they can be using proto gear." Well seeing how myself the guys that decided to come with me were the main reason for obtaining such an amount of ISK. I felt it was necessary to pull some ISK from the wallet, so that those players could obtain that ISK.
- To clarify to EoN. which I know Punisher approached you saying, "Kujo stole all the ISK, we don't have money for war." DJINN Phoenix has an alt account, don't recall the name. But it has 2 Billion ISK sitting on the side as a note of 'savings', and he's not the only one. DJINN Punisher has an alt named DJINN Stygal that has 700 million ISK AT LEAST on it. But of course I took all the money... lol. There is actually another alt account that has 1 billion on it as well. But won't give up that name for their sake seeing how he's a close friend of mine. But all in all, what I took was about 1/4 of what Hellstorm really has. - - So there you have it. I wouldn't expect anything less from Punisher but to try to pin the person who did the majority of the work for Hellstorm and the alliance. t. It doesnt matter how you put it you still took ISK that wasnt yours to take.
Really depends, if there is say a quarter of hellstorm defecting to follow Kujo I would say it's fair, not quite as fair as handing out the ISK to the players themselves, but close enough that I don't think it's really a **** move if the players are behind him.
Faced with an alternative of Punisher stockpiling the ISK on alts I think he would have been more than justified to do what he did assuming it wasn't just in his own interest.
After Kujo went on vacation LoI went 4-21 in battles against EoN, and I heard from A team LoI players they were being kicked by the leadership for disagreements. At some point you are forced to make the call, not everyone agrees but I can relate very well to your situation, and I made the same call you did Kujo, although for different reasons. |
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