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Kastigrar
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:04:00 -
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As per subject line. Amazing how many sad cases in this game log off or recall their tanks when it suddenly looks like they are about to come under fire.
Sniper killed a few and doesn't want a death to spoil their KDR? Logoff
Tank been badly damaged when the enemy finally starts to shoot back? Duck into cover and do an instant recall.
Words cannot describe the contempt I hold you all in if you do this.
Don't bother telling me all snipers do that either - my main is a sniper and never logs off just because it looks like i've been spotted. Most don't in fact.
I know this was a problem in EVE, the term 'Logoffski' was coined there - rightly or wrongly the RA was blamed for creating this technique.
Personally I believe the new vehicle recall is a disease - make them wait 15 seconds or more and they may actually think about what they are doing. Infantry who log mid battle should lose their fit and have a kill recorded against them.
Now got that off my chest |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1283
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:09:00 -
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So that is why my tank kills never register ? I was wondering why that was... |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
749
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:10:00 -
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Pretty sure if you DC from a game (quit, shut PS3 off, etc) all stats are recorded, suits you lost in game are lost, and all points you gained, SP and ISK, are lost. At least that's how it's been up until now as far as I know.
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Kastigrar
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:15:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:So that is why my tank kills never register ? I was wondering why that was...
Oh if you kill someone it registers regardless, however the pilots often jump out and recall the vehicle so quickly that you won't get a kill. Happened a few times today, in the time it took me to fire another swarm (that would have been the killer), the tank was suddenly gone.
Pathetic.
And yes, any deaths (etc) that you have before logging off still register. My problem is the ones who are spraying a location with a sniper rifle, realise they have been scoped, jump into cover (or run around in circles) and log off. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
183
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:16:00 -
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The vehicle recall... Broken as hell. I hate it when people get an instant save to their vehicle. I put in work to kill your tank, you shouldn't be able to save it that damn easy. It takes 15 seconds to get it on the field, it should take 15 seconds to get it removed. And that should involve an rdv coming to pick it up as well. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
231
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:18:00 -
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If I'm chasing a tank down and the driver jumps out to recall it, I shoot the driver. My FG Hadouken is OP. |
Nalhe Saldana
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
39
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:18:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Pretty sure if you DC from a game (quit, shut PS3 off, etc) all stats are recorded, suits you lost in game are lost, and all points you gained, SP and ISK, are lost. At least that's how it's been up until now as far as I know.
Yes but he is talking about logging off when things heat up, before you die.
Got logged off by downtime yesterday and got the suits i lost back from that fight, that is fair and unexpected from ccp tbh |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:22:00 -
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Lol! I have seen some guys log off while I am shooting them. It's so lame. You should stay till killed if you do that. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1283
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:23:00 -
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Kastigrar wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:So that is why my tank kills never register ? I was wondering why that was... Oh if you kill someone it registers regardless, however the pilots often jump out and recall the vehicle so quickly that you won't get a kill. Happened a few times today, in the time it took me to fire another swarm (that would have been the killer), the tank was suddenly gone. Pathetic. And yes, any deaths (etc) that you have before logging off still register. My problem is the ones who are spraying a location with a sniper rifle, realise they have been scoped, jump into cover (or run around in circles) and log off.
No... i'm pretty sure i seen tanks blowup just before they where recall, i even seen the explosion animation.. but they get recall anyway, even if they clearly where destroy. |
Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
9
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:24:00 -
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If you put a decent amount of damage on the tank they can't recall it until it's repp'd to a certain level. ATM as no tank can survive well against proto av in it's numerous forms, this will continue with the basic tanks on the field. This tank faggotry should stop when we finally get advanced tanks.
Until then paper thin tanks (ADV and proto av) will judge damage taken and run to recall. I hate tanks that run well into redline so u can't get the kill. Instead of using natural cover on the field and getting back in the fight |
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ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:34:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Pretty sure if you DC from a game (quit, shut PS3 off, etc) all stats are recorded, suits you lost in game are lost, and all points you gained, SP and ISK, are lost. At least that's how it's been up until now as far as I know.
correct |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:35:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Pretty sure if you DC from a game (quit, shut PS3 off, etc) all stats are recorded, suits you lost in game are lost, and all points you gained, SP and ISK, are lost. At least that's how it's been up until now as far as I know.
correct
I don't think stats are recorded I see some vets do this when they have bad games they leave before game ends. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. rise of legion
2684
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:37:00 -
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For those complaining about vehicle recall, while it's annoying can I point you to insta swapping suits at supply depoys |
Kastigrar
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:41:00 -
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Mirataf wrote:If you put a decent amount of damage on the tank they can't recall it until it's repp'd to a certain level. ATM as no tank can survive well against proto av in it's numerous forms, this will continue with the basic tanks on the field. This tank faggotry should stop when we finally get advanced tanks.
Until then paper thin tanks (ADV and proto av) will judge damage taken and run to recall. I hate tanks that run well into redline so u can't get the kill. Instead of using natural cover on the field and getting back in the fight
I don't agree that making vehicles more powerful is the solution to this problem. I have a fair bit of sympathy for tankers as I was one myself for a while before the AV grenade spam with nanohives drove me to quit at least temporarily.
These guys who do the instant recall are not generally 'noobs' with militia tanks. Some took a huge amount of damage over a long time before they panicked. Not basic items/skills by a long shot.
Generally I would have to say its people who consider themselves 'pro' who do this mostly (both the instant recall and logging before a certain death). Your average casual gamer doesn't care enough about stats/etc to do it. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
750
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:42:00 -
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Nalhe Saldana wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Pretty sure if you DC from a game (quit, shut PS3 off, etc) all stats are recorded, suits you lost in game are lost, and all points you gained, SP and ISK, are lost. At least that's how it's been up until now as far as I know.
Yes but he is talking about logging off when things heat up, before you die. Got logged off by downtime yesterday and got the suits i lost back from that fight, that is fair and unexpected from ccp tbh
Getting logged out by DT is different, nothing counts in the match when that happens. You could run all officer gear, die 100 times, and get it all back as long as the match did not end before downtime DCed you.
Pre-DT matches are different. There is no way that I am aware of that saves your vehicles, ISK, SP, suits or whatever if you leave a match (or get randomly DCed). |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1284
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:42:00 -
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gbghg wrote:For those complaining about vehicle recall, while it's annoying can I point you to insta swapping suits at supply depoys
is ONE supply depot in each map.. is a bit different than " Do it everywhere you want " |
Kastigrar
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:44:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Nalhe Saldana wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Pretty sure if you DC from a game (quit, shut PS3 off, etc) all stats are recorded, suits you lost in game are lost, and all points you gained, SP and ISK, are lost. At least that's how it's been up until now as far as I know.
Yes but he is talking about logging off when things heat up, before you die. Got logged off by downtime yesterday and got the suits i lost back from that fight, that is fair and unexpected from ccp tbh Getting logged out by DT is different, nothing counts in the match when that happens. You could run all officer gear, die 100 times, and get it all back as long as the match did not end before downtime DCed you. Pre-DT matches are different. There is no way that I am aware of that saves your vehicles, ISK, SP, suits or whatever if you leave a match (or get randomly DCed).
Yep, you are correct leukoplast, my problem is those who leave the match before they lose items/clones, when this looks like its going to be inevitable. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. rise of legion
2685
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:45:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:gbghg wrote:For those complaining about vehicle recall, while it's annoying can I point you to insta swapping suits at supply depoys is ONE supply depot in each map.. is a bit different than " Do it everywhere you want " The principle is the same, you can bet that if infantry could do the same they would every single chance they got, and if you made a vehicle user recall well then you've done your job and removed the vehicle from the field haven't you? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1285
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:50:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:gbghg wrote:For those complaining about vehicle recall, while it's annoying can I point you to insta swapping suits at supply depoys is ONE supply depot in each map.. is a bit different than " Do it everywhere you want " The principle is the same, you can bet that if infantry could do the same they would every single chance they got, and if you made a vehicle user recall well then you've done your job and removed the vehicle from the field haven't you?
Sorry.. no... just no ...Get 20 kills, wait to you armor is about 50%, run away behind a building, recall you tank, and call it again 15 seconds later..that is broken, stupid, and another unbalance BS that CCP needs to fix. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1304
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:51:00 -
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lolInstantVehicleRecall
Shows how most people here haven't even tried tanking, if someones hitting my vehicle, and I manage to recall it, I deserve to keep it.
Its not 'Instant' either, and even when it begins to phase out you can still damage and destroy it, I've destroyed many HAVs this way. |
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meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
154
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:52:00 -
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Kastigrar wrote:... Duck into cover and do an instant recall...
Instant recall? How? Teach me master! DidnGÇÖt know it's a sin to drive his tank with care. Do you have a tank? In some matches recalling it is the smartest thing to do, because the AV setup in this game is way stronger than the "tanks" are. You will only loose it without any sense. Stop bullshiting us, your pants would hit the floor so hard that they would land half way in china if you could save them by undressing before death!
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
750
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:53:00 -
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Kastigrar wrote:
Yep, you are correct leukoplast, my problem is those who leave the match before they lose items/clones, when this looks like its going to be inevitable.
Edit: I believe what Nalhe is referring to is teams that leave a match just before it ends if it looks like they are going to be on the losing side. The match shouldn't be recorded on their Corporation stats from memory? Clones lost etc would still register of course.
Oh Ok. Yeah, not too long ago leaving a match (whether you died or not) meant you lost whatever suit you were wearing (and I assume vehicles too).
It has been changed though, now you can join a match and leave without losing that suit (as long as you didn't die of course).
But now I do see your quarrel regarding vehicles if they can do the same I hadn't even thought about that possibility.
Wow, vehicle rage quitting is actually feasible. Not good!
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:01:00 -
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I had some pathetic loser recall a free militia LAV on me today. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
390
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:10:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:I had some pathetic loser recall a free militia LAV on me today.
Now that's ******* stupid.
Peace, Godin |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
576
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:11:00 -
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Im only going to say a few things about vehicle recall.
Firstly if I manage to get behind cover and call it back because you couldent destroy me quick enough its your fault.
Secondly often if im running missiles and a rail tank shows up and starts pounding me of coures im going g to call it back and land a rail fitting (accepted counter mesure)
Thirdly I have to get out of the tank making me vulnarable to enimy fire especially snipers.
And finally you have done your job as av by making me retreat and call it back as you have effectivly removed my tank from tge field be it only for a minute or so but that minuet or so is enough time for your infantry to advance before I return to the front.
I believe if ccp puts mesures in to award wp for dammage done to enimy vehicles (say 30 wp for every 1000 hp dammage )then we would have less QQing about recall.
Id like to see wp awarded for suppressing an enimy vehicle as I have spent severall games suppressing enimy tanks and vehicles without reward other than the base isk and sp for the whole match. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. rise of legion
2688
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:18:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:gbghg wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:gbghg wrote:For those complaining about vehicle recall, while it's annoying can I point you to insta swapping suits at supply depoys is ONE supply depot in each map.. is a bit different than " Do it everywhere you want " The principle is the same, you can bet that if infantry could do the same they would every single chance they got, and if you made a vehicle user recall well then you've done your job and removed the vehicle from the field haven't you? Sorry.. no... just no ...Get 20 kills, wait to you armor is about 50%, run away behind a building, recall you tank, and call it again 15 seconds later..that is broken, stupid, and another unbalance BS that CCP needs to fix. The same bloody thing applies to infantry as well, seriously if the ranker recalls his vehicle it shows that the av on the field is too much to deal with, are you going to complain about pilots recalling dropships to stop them from being swatted out of the air air next? Seriously it's like there's one rule for infantry and another for vehicle users. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2505
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:21:00 -
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Kastigrar wrote:As per subject line. Amazing how many sad cases in this game log off or recall their tanks when it suddenly looks like they are about to come under fire. Sniper killed a few and doesn't want a death to spoil their KDR? Logoff Tank been badly damaged when the enemy finally starts to shoot back? Duck into cover and do an instant recall. Words cannot describe the contempt I hold you all in if you do this. Don't bother telling me all snipers do that either - my main is a sniper and never logs off just because it looks like i've been spotted. Most don't in fact. I know this was a problem in EVE, the term 'Logoffski' was coined there - rightly or wrongly the RA was blamed for creating this technique. Personally I believe the new vehicle recall is a disease - make them wait 15 seconds or more and they may actually think about what they are doing. Infantry who log mid battle should lose their fit and have a kill recorded against them. Now got that off my chest No, don't make them wait longer, make an RDV come out to pick up their vehicle.
That way you have time to try and destroy it before the RDV gets there, or quickly gather your squad to be ready when it comes, and then shoot it down on top of the vehicle for a double-kill. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
298
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:23:00 -
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You get both SP and ISK if you log off.
Try it and see. AFK for two minutes in a game, then log off.
Wait an hour and log back on. You'll have gained (non-passive) sp, and if you check your wallet you'll also get some ISK.
Thing is though, the SP you get counts against your cap, but if you have a booster it is NOT boosted until the match ends. Meaning you miss out. Kinda weak, but I guess if you aren't running a booster you've lost nothing.
--- Remember: IamI3rian told ya. Enemy MCC shields... failed |
Flawless Mirage
Valhalla Gardains
15
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:23:00 -
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Mirataf wrote:ATM as no tank can survive well against proto av in it's numerous forms, this will continue with the basic tanks on the field. Until then paper thin tanks (ADV and proto av) will judge damage taken and run to recall.
We tankers don't feel like having a 2.5mil ISK H.A.V. destroyed with barely any effort....
Its hardly instant, as it does take a few seconds to recall as shocking as it may seem
Even then, they can still be destroyed after the recall has been recalled... ******** no? |
The WindowLicker
Backstabbers N Cheaters Union
49
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:26:00 -
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Keep crying about the recall, I'll keep doing it, it's not going anywhere so it's pointless to complain, damn right I'm going to glass cannon you bunny hopping COD fanboys with my rail and call it quits when you switch to your easy mode swarm spam. So keep hopping before you die and I'll keep turning a profit |
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