I'm unfamiliar with the mechanic systems in place in Eve but, to play off this idea, it seems like the easiest way to do this would be to include a percentage bonus based upon the race you choose during creation. 5-10% bonus to faction points for playing FW on the side of your race.

I think the grind here would be much easier simply because you're accomplishing multiple tasks within one match. SP. WP. FP. ISK.

I'm confused as to the point you're trying to make, and who you're trying to make it to.

Ah, so kind of like that T-Shirt The Escapist Magazine made from Zero Punctuation?

In case you haven't seen it: http://www.splitreason.com//Product_Images/139b8015e6a3-xl.jpg

Aren't you the person who opened the thread? So its quite apparent that a response in thread is more than likely directed towards you unless its noted as otherwise.

And the point I was trying to make is quite simple.

This coming from the guy who script-spams the forums with how awesome Planetside 2is

This coming from the guy who script-spams the forums with how awesome Planetside 2is

You all do realize that CCP has a history of starting what it can't finish... right?

If you look at EVE, though they have started quite a few things they have yet to finish, in recent years they've actually been delivering on some of those things.

They move at a glacial pace, but they get there eventually.

I'm hoping the recent trend toward more rapid integration of the "Future Vision" stuff gets picked up in spades when it comes to this Winter's expansion.

The game really needs it.

Whoopie another tool touting the potential of Dust by way of EVE. Saturated shooter market vs Space sim(Id bet my bottom dollar if EVE was in development today instead of a decade ago and had to go head to head vs Star Citizen it would failhard)

Even if the game gets gud(lol not happening) it will feel and look so dated by that point in time. Its boring, lifeless and utterly crap in every aspect.

The only ones left fighting hard to defend it are all EVE fanbois who ride the CCP line and have zero idea about shooters or the community therin. Moreover you'll notice a sharp drop in the player feedback from the shooter vets, im seeing more MMO and RPG centered ideas and less and less care over the shooter(which there are still issues) thats because by and large CCP has lost the shooter community. This game is pretty much dead to us.

I come here just to laugh at the pitiful who still hold out hope on a game they have no idea how bad it is because they live in a bubble of ignorance.

Whoopie another tool touting the potential of Dust by way of EVE. Saturated shooter market vs Space sim(Id bet my bottom dollar if EVE was in development today instead of a decade ago and had to go head to head vs Star Citizen it would failhard)

Even if the game gets gud(lol not happening) it will feel and look so dated by that point in time. Its boring, lifeless and utterly crap in every aspect.

The only ones left fighting hard to defend it are all EVE fanbois who ride the CCP line and have zero idea about shooters or the community therin. Moreover you'll notice a sharp drop in the player feedback from the shooter vets, im seeing more MMO and RPG centered ideas and less and less care over the shooter(which there are still issues) thats because by and large CCP has lost the shooter community. This game is pretty much dead to us. And we were the dam holding back the flood of **** poor crap ideas that would have otherwise gained traction with CCP because they have no utter idea how to build and FPS so they would have actually listened to the dumbassery that comes out of the mouths of you really god awful players.

I come here just to laugh at the pitiful who still hold out hope on a game they have no idea how bad it is because they live in a bubble of ignorance.

This game has only made money. Eve has been around forever. Ccp has money and the blessing of sony. Anyone saying this game is doomed is a clown. Its a free fps on consoles. Bow can it lose?

Has a limited contract with Sony, sony doesnt care about it if you cant tell. The Eve has been around forever line doesnt work considering Eve had room in an uncompetitive market to grow in, Dust doesnt.

It is F2P on a dated console that is about to be replaced by a new wave of consoles and b4 i get all the well ps2 sold for years after ps3 there was a huge price gap b/w the 2 consoles that really wont exist with this generation.

Add to it those who generally get older generation consoles tend to play games more casually, are children or perhaps not able to afford the current gen. That entire market demographic is not one that will help drive the Aurum sales or continued investment in a game that is supposed to be as hardcore(lol) as dust. So yea while there maybe a decent number of gamers on PS3, Dust will not be the game that tailors to the demands they have or want.

I think it's more an inflated sense of self worth. Where they feel their view is the best one because their the best at the game. And when ccp blows off their stuiped ideas there egos cant handled it and they throw their toys out the pram. They Littary can't see any other point of view and will shout down anything that does match the self reinforcing behavior of I'm number one.

I ask these players to think if being the best at the game makes you moat qualified why are games dev not the best gamers out their in fact normally there the worst.

People hate on Dust514 so much because it's the one game that shatters your ego at every turn. And all the above is why I stopped hanging out with the competitive crowd because their mindset is firmly based around winning is fun. Not the game is fun.


Note always exceptions to this rule :-P

I think it's more an inflated sense of self worth. Where they feel their view is the best one because their the best at the game. And when ccp blows off their stuiped ideas there egos cant handled it and they throw their toys out the pram. They Littary can't see any other point of view and will shout down anything that does match the self reinforcing behavior of I'm number one.

I ask these players to think if being the best at the game makes you moat qualified why are games dev not the best gamers out their in fact normally there the worst.

People hate on Dust514 so much because it's the one game that shatters your ego at every turn. And all the above is why I stopped hanging out with the competitive crowd because their mindset is firmly based around winning is fun. Not the game is fun.


Note always exceptions to this rule :-P

Actually, i rant all the time because i WANT TO HAVE FUN PLAYING THE GAME ...I hate red-line snipers, red-line tanks, i hate Prototype gear, i hate the SP gap, Hate, hate, hate. Hate, hate, hate. Double Hate. Loathe entirely!

Were you around for the E3 build?

Compared to that, there's no gear gap at all. That should give you and idea as to how it used to be.

But is so infuriating!!.. Just fix AFKing, the red-line, nerf the Prototype gear.. and Christm.... I mean.. Dust 514 will be so much fun. ..

Again and again, I have seen one question asked in regards to our community:

Why do the people who play the game the most, and score the best, spend so much time talking about how it's doomed to fail?

Why do the people who've spent the money to run Active and Passive Boosters since day-one in order to keep their SP levels as high as possible seem so invested in "spreading the word" about how terrible it is.

The answer is simple, and will be made self-evident as they come to denounce my hypothesis:

They can be at the top when it falls.


Consider for a moment what happens when you leave a game. Naturally, even after you yourself have stopped playing, other people continue to do so. Since most shooters in particular offer Leaderboards as a way for players to rate themselves and possibly use their position for some bragging rights, leaving a game means that your space is now open to someone else.

Now, in the case of nearly all shooters, this makes no difference. In a year or maybe two at most, a new version of the game will be out, and you can get it on day one and attain your exalted position once more. Even in a persistent game like Planetside 2, you can come back to it a year or so down the line, buy some boosters, and grind your way up to the ranks of the longest-lived characters.

Dust 514 does not allow this. Even when the new SP rollover system is implemented to replace the current hard cap that resets on Wednesdays, departing Dust means that not only is your leaderboard spot open to any other player, but now you have only been gaining Passive SP in the intervening time, and will be forever behind those who didn't take a leave of absence like you did.

In layman's terms: if these people leave, they lose. Any player, maybe even one far less skilled than them, can continue to play after they've left, gain more SP than they have and now can keep ahead of them, and maybe even attain their leaderboard rank with their better gear and more advanced knowledge.

Conversely, if Dust 514 is shut down while they are still dumping cash into boosters each month and grinding day after day to keep their leaderboard positions, win/loss ratio, or whatever metric is important to them, they will forever be at the top of this game, because it is no longer there for anyone to compete with them.


Basically, stop trying to figure them out, because this attitude isn't based in logic.

It's based in ego.

ive spent a lot of angry time on the forms as of late.
ive also invested a lot of time and cash into the game
im upset and disappointed because im a fan and want to see the game succeed and right now the game and CCP's service to us is sub par
I don't care about my sp although I do like the competitive aspect.... whats the point of competition w/out a thriving and engaged community?
I do believe there are people who resemble your post, but not everyone who is raging on the forms right now fits your stereotype.

I feel you do people like myself who actually give an excrement a disservice with your broad paint brush.....

Whoopie another tool touting the potential of Dust by way of EVE. Saturated shooter market vs Space sim(Id bet my bottom dollar if EVE was in development today instead of a decade ago and had to go head to head vs Star Citizen it would failhard)

Even if the game gets gud(lol not happening) it will feel and look so dated by that point in time. Its boring, lifeless and utterly crap in every aspect.

The only ones left fighting hard to defend it are all EVE fanbois who ride the CCP line and have zero idea about shooters or the community therin. Moreover you'll notice a sharp drop in the player feedback from the shooter vets, im seeing more MMO and RPG centered ideas and less and less care over the shooter(which there are still issues) thats because by and large CCP has lost the shooter community. This game is pretty much dead to us. And we were the dam holding back the flood of **** poor crap ideas that would have otherwise gained traction with CCP because they have no utter idea how to build and FPS so they would have actually listened to the dumbassery that comes out of the mouths of you really god awful players.

I come here just to laugh at the pitiful who still hold out hope on a game they have no idea how bad it is because they live in a bubble of ignorance.

Last I checked, EVE wasn't the only MMO when it came out, and there were certainly plenty of others over the time its been around.

As to everything else, you're entitled to your opinion and your expression of said opinion.

lol most of the shooter community is a bunch of Aholes quite honestly.... CCP doesn't need them... they need a hybrid of people who like shooters mmos and rpgs.... shooter ppl have COD.... go back there please.... quickly...

Plays shooters--Check
Plays MMO-- Check
Play RPG--Check

Plays RPG more than Shooter, check again.

Doesnt change game is bad and terrible and doesnt matter how you cut it. This isnt a turn based RPG and blow my brains out if it ever becomes one. Also why do you think even the best RPG's with the best lore spend so much time revamping and improving upon battle systems, because GAMEPLAY>EVERYTHING ELSE.

Dust's gameplay is atrocious, only those who are bad at the genre and ignorant of good gameplay could think otherwise, only CCP fanbois think that a decade is a reasonable timeframe for the devs to turn it around and that POTENTIAL is a selling point.