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pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.14 23:55:00 -
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Iv been wondering since we all have our own idea of what an acceptible ammount of AV to destroy a tank ?
I personally think it should be as follows
Swarms
6 malitia swarmers to tackle a std tank
4 std swarmers to take down std tank
3 adv swarms to tacke a std tank
2 proto swarmers to tacke a std tank.
Forges
4 malitia forges to tackle a std tank
3 std forgers to take down a std tank
2 adv forgers to take down a std tank
1 proto forge to take down a std tank
Lol plasma cannons (I wont bother till they are fixed.)
Im not going to comment on av nades as they cheepen av balance.
Now obviosly this is geard at std tanks as we dont have adv or proto tanks but if we did it should probably be arround 4 proto swarmers or 3 proto forges to tackle a tank.
Anu other tankers have an idea of what they think is an acceptible ammount of av to loose a tank to?
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Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
181
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Posted - 2013.07.14 23:58:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Iv been wondering since we all have our own idea of what an acceptible ammount of AV to destroy a tank ?
I personally think it should be as follows
Swarms
6 malitia swarmers to tackle a std tank
4 std swarmers to take down std tank
3 adv swarms to tacke a std tank
2 proto swarmers to tacke a std tank.
Forges
4 malitia forges to tackle a std tank
3 std forgers to take down a std tank
2 adv forgers to take down a std tank
1 proto forge to take down a std tank
Lol plasma cannons (I wont bother till they are fixed.)
Im not going to comment on av nades as they cheepen av balance.
Now obviosly this is geard at std tanks as we dont have adv or proto tanks but if we did it should probably be arround 4 proto swarmers or 3 proto forges to tackle a tank.
Anu other tankers have an idea of what they think is an acceptible ammount of av to loose a tank to?
no, proto av shouldnt be in this game since their are no proto tanks and 4 militia forgs to take down my enforcer is way too easy thats like saying 8mil sp and 2.6mil isk should go up in flames by a 1k isk 0 sp forge gun same with swarms |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1746
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:00:00 -
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I agree that the current balance is completely out of whack, where one forger can lock down half a map. I will say, however, that ADV and PRO tanks won't solve the issue, and I die a little inside every time someone mentions them as "the one and only solution" (not to suggest that you're maklng this statement). |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
557
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:00:00 -
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So you think your tank should be invinsible to malitia av??? And you havent answerd my question of what you think is acceptible. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:04:00 -
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1st thing wrong with this thread, you forgot that there are no advanced or prototype tanks in this game, until they are here, there will be no balance |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:05:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:So you think your tank should be invinsible to malitia av??? And you havent answerd my question of what you think is acceptible.
I don't believe that militia av should have the damage they possess now, it6s way too powerful for being free with the starter fits, they should be nerfed or removed, same as what happened to the free militia tanks during closed beta |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
557
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:1st thing wrong with this thread, you forgot that there are no advanced or prototype tanks in this game, until they are here, there will be no balance
Come on mr void you should know what im about ps read my first post more carfully I did mention lack of proto and adv havs I also mentiond this is geard towards std havs as that is what we have. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
393
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:08:00 -
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LOL @ 3 proto AV to take down a proto tank.
You're high.
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Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:09:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:LOL @ 3 proto AV to take down a proto tank.
You're high.
LOL @ 1 proto AV to take down a proto HAV, your adorable |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
399
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
LOL @ 1 proto AV to take down a proto HAV, your adorable
1 guy with proto proxy mines, no more tank.
Seems fair to me.
Oh, you don't want balance?
I see. |
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pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
558
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:11:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:LOL @ 3 proto AV to take down a proto tank.
You're high.
Is your win button feeling threatened ?? |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
696
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:13:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
LOL @ 1 proto AV to take down a proto HAV, your adorable
1 guy with proto proxy mines, no more tank. Seems fair to me. Oh, you don't want balance? I see.
there is absolutely no way that is fair, as iv said a month before now, it should require a minimum of 2 proto av guy to take down a proto HAV. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
399
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:16:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:
Is your win button feeling threatened ??
I'm sorry what?
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
407
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
there is absolutely no way that is fair, as iv said a month before now, it should require a minimum of 2 proto av guy to take down a proto HAV.
Why?
Because of the ISK investment? You can't balance with ISK. Just because you or I spend a couple of mill on our tanks doesn't mean we suddenly deserve to outclass a capable and tactically sound opponent.
In the hypothetical world were a tank were to stand in front of a guy with a proto forge, they should have an equal chance of destroying each other.
Good tankers will survive, bad ones will go broke or find sugar daddies. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:19:00 -
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infantry's version of balance:
assault riffle 1- shots everything and nothing kills them.
1 militia av grenade should kill a militia hav fitted with 3k armor or shields.
1 standard av grenade should kill a standard tank fitted with 7k armor or shields
1 advanced av grenade should kill an advanced tank with full shield or armor
1 prototype av grenade should kill the most outfitted prototype tank with everything prototype on it.
that's how you infantry players want everything. go back to call of duty |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
564
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:19:00 -
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I dont see what yoir problem with the nos is . Why do you dissagree with 3 proto av to tackle a proto tank? The only reason I can surmise is that your win button (proto av) will have to work a bit harder and will no longer be a win button. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:21:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
there is absolutely no way that is fair, as iv said a month before now, it should require a minimum of 2 proto av guy to take down a proto HAV.
Why? Because of the ISK investment? You can't balance with ISK. Just because you or I spend a couple of mill on our tanks doesn't mean we suddenly deserve to outclass a capable and tactically sound opponent. In the hypothetical world were a tank were to stand in front of a guy with a proto forge, they should have an equal chance of destroying each other. Good tankers will survive, bad ones will go broke or find sugar daddies.
that's the way it is now, and tanking is nearly extinct because of players like you. and I know that's what you want, to get rid of all vehicles and make this cod or bf. this is not balanced and never will be as long as infantry are in control of balancing everything, why do you think everyone hates you |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
407
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:22:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I dont see what yoir problem with the nos is . Why do you dissagree with 3 proto av to tackle a proto tank? The only reason I can surmise is that your win button (proto av) will have to work a bit harder and will no longer be a win button.
You are too stupid to talk to.
Stop pretending you are a tanker. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
704
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:23:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:pegasis prime wrote:I dont see what yoir problem with the nos is . Why do you dissagree with 3 proto av to tackle a proto tank? The only reason I can surmise is that your win button (proto av) will have to work a bit harder and will no longer be a win button. You are too stupid to talk to. Stop pretending you are a tanker.
has anyone seen him in a tank before? |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
564
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:26:00 -
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Me or mr atourny knobcheese? Cause hell iv never seen him . |
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
408
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:29:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
that's the way it is now, and tanking is nearly extinct because of players like you. and I know that's what you want, to get rid of all vehicles and make this cod or bf. this is not balanced and never will be as long as infantry are in control of balancing everything, why do you think everyone hates you
I switched to tanking full time after uprising came out.
I never had the luxury of a Sagaris to pad my ego.
I never had the pleasure of a Surya to pubstomp in.
I don't care if people hate me. I will gladly be despised by the scrub tankers who sit around crying for the OP days past, when they could rely on an OP tank and 5 buddies to keep them safe as they pubstomp ambush.
I play Skirmish, mostly solo, in a tank every match. I get popped, I call in another. I don't rest on my laurels, I don't sit in the redline, I play hard and aggressive and I try not to make mistakes that will cost me my very expensive tank.
Yes, you have skill, yes you seem to be a good tanker. That doesn't change the fact that what you guys want is to be the dominant force on the field, which is just silly.
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
408
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:31:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
has anyone seen him in a tank before?
Popped you in a PC when I was ringing for STB.
Top of the scoreboard in the first STB victory over Imps.
Top of the scoreboard in that close defeat video that PDiggy posted. You can watch the killfeed and here Caeli scream about fighting me.
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Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:35:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
has anyone seen him in a tank before?
Popped you in a PC when I was ringing for STB. Top of the scoreboard in the first STB victory over Imps. Top of the scoreboard in that close defeat video that PDiggy posted. You can watch the killfeed and here Caeli scream about fighting me.
don't remember that, although it was months ago so that figures |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
704
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:36:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
that's the way it is now, and tanking is nearly extinct because of players like you. and I know that's what you want, to get rid of all vehicles and make this cod or bf. this is not balanced and never will be as long as infantry are in control of balancing everything, why do you think everyone hates you
I switched to tanking full time after uprising came out. I never had the luxury of a Sagaris to pad my ego. I never had the pleasure of a Surya to pubstomp in. I don't care if people hate me. I will gladly be despised by the scrub tankers who sit around crying for the OP days past, when they could rely on an OP tank and 5 buddies to keep them safe as they pubstomp ambush. I play Skirmish, mostly solo, in a tank every match. I get popped, I call in another. I don't rest on my laurels, I don't sit in the redline, I play hard and aggressive and I try not to make mistakes that will cost me my very expensive tank. Yes, you have skill, yes you seem to be a good tanker. That doesn't change the fact that what you guys want is to be the dominant force on the field, which is just silly.
the thing about you is that you think you know more about tanking that the vets to even though youv only been tanking since uprising and weve been tanking since closed beta |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
408
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:43:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
the thing about you is that you think you know more about tanking that the vets to even though youv only been tanking since uprising and weve been tanking since closed beta
No, the difference is that I didn't get used to tanking when they were OP, so my judgements are fresh.
You guys all want what you used to have back. You wish for the old days.
But those are the old days, and they are gone.
Also, I believe in actual balance, not just "I put my SP into tanks, I should win". |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
409
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:49:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Me or mr atourny knobcheese? Cause hell iv never seen him .
Oh how clever of a name change.
You don't see me because you are probably spamming ambush with three or four other "tankers".
BTW, you do know that you spelled Pegasus wrong right?
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Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
704
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:50:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
the thing about you is that you think you know more about tanking that the vets to even though youv only been tanking since uprising and weve been tanking since closed beta
No, the difference is that I didn't get used to tanking when they were OP, so my judgements are fresh. You guys all want what you used to have back. You wish for the old days. But those are the old days, and they are gone. Also, I believe in actual balance, not just "I put my SP into tanks, I should win".
what you believe is not balance, its a win button that you claim true hav users want, we don't, if that's balance then why is that in eve online, it takes more than 5 ships to take down a titan, the biggest ship in the galaxy?
you don't offer a fresh look on it, you offer the infantry sides look on it, which all tankers know and hate. your view is the way its been for a while and everyone hates it, assaults still rule the infantry and av still rules vehicles, it shouldn't be that way, that's how cod is. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
564
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Posted - 2013.07.15 01:00:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Me or mr atourny knobcheese? Cause hell iv never seen him . Oh how clever of a name change. You don't see me because you are probably spamming ambush with three or four other "tankers". BTW, you do know that you spelled Pegasus wrong right?
Lol I never play ambush so get your facts right and yes it is a change of spelling because pegasus prime was an old game I loved so my name is a homage to it. Also when your loosing a debate it just cheepens yourself to go for personal attacks it just make you look stupid tbh. Now go and shove that controller of yours up your smug arse.dickcheese. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries
Immortals of War
2360
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Posted - 2013.07.15 02:09:00 -
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I've both done lots of AV and HAV piloting, I think you're about right, however, give some variation-
for example, 2 proto swarms should down the HAV relatively quickly, however, 1 proto swarm should still be able to do it if the HAV is too slow to escape/kill the AVer |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
688
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:51:00 -
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3 std = 1 std tank
3 adv = 1 adv tank
3 proto = 1 proto tank |
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
314
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:43:00 -
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imo AV weapons should not be affected by weapon damage modifiers bonus, they already have an high damage |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3325
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:57:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:The Attorney General wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Me or mr atourny knobcheese? Cause hell iv never seen him . Oh how clever of a name change. You don't see me because you are probably spamming ambush with three or four other "tankers". BTW, you do know that you spelled Pegasus wrong right? Lol I never play ambush so get your facts right and yes it is a change of spelling because pegasus prime was an old game I loved so my name is a homage to it. Also when your loosing a debate it just cheepens yourself to go for personal attacks it just make you look stupid tbh. Now go and shove that controller of yours up your smug arse.dickcheese.
Do you see what you just did to yourself there?
And it's a shame, because until you did that, it was the other guy who was losing (not "loosing"). Now I'm not so sure.
Also, I've seen Pegasis in game before, and can vouch that he was a good tanker last time we met. Also seen him in the forums, and while his English is atrocious, he seems like he actually thinks through what he's posting, which is more than I can say for myself sometimes.
Proto AV should NOT be one-shotting HAVs. Maybe, just maybe, it's reasonable for a Proto Swarm Launcher to one-shot a Militia Dropship. Proto Breach Forge Gun could reasonably be expected to get that kill with one hit. If it's been set up with no HP or Resistance modules. And LAVs should be target practice. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
570
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:03:00 -
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Ye I know what I did . Shame on me for lowering myself to the same levle  and yip my spelling is famously atrocious.
Also name calling isnt a personal attack its a time honerd tradition. Pointing out someones bad spelling in the middle of a debate is going for the personal attack style. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
710
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:06:00 -
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this is still alive eh? |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
265
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:04:00 -
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Bring back the marauders! I want my Sagaris! Oh, and refund my Enforcer SP when you bring the marauders back, it's crap compared to marauders |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
410
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:16:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
there is absolutely no way that is fair, as iv said a month before now, it should require a minimum of 2 proto av guy to take down a proto HAV.
Why? Because of the ISK investment? You can't balance with ISK. Just because you or I spend a couple of mill on our tanks doesn't mean we suddenly deserve to outclass a capable and tactically sound opponent. In the hypothetical world were a tank were to stand in front of a guy with a proto forge, they should have an equal chance of destroying each other. Good tankers will survive, bad ones will go broke or find sugar daddies. that's the way it is now, and tanking is nearly extinct because of players like you. and I know that's what you want, to get rid of all vehicles and make this cod or bf. this is not balanced and never will be as long as infantry are in control of balancing everything, why do you think everyone hates you
Extinct ? Each game i join i see the exactly same people riding tanks that were riding tanks months ago, also those same people are on the forums bitchin because their tanks are waaay to weak...then they go 30/0+ per ambush uncontested.
Extinct my *ss. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
169
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:17:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
LOL @ 1 proto AV to take down a proto HAV, your adorable
1 guy with proto proxy mines, no more tank. Seems fair to me. Oh, you don't want balance? I see.
there is no balance in war. this game is about war. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
rise of legion
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:15:00 -
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1 STD tank = 1 pro av, 2 adv av, 3 std av, 4 mlt av
1 ADV tank = 2 pro av, 3 adv av, 4 std av, 5 mlt av
1 PRO tank = 3 pro av, 4 adv, 5 std, 6 mlt
this of courserequires that we get real advanced tanks scaled up the same way dropsuits are. (2-8 more slots, 100% more PG) |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
rise of legion
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:16:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Void Echo wrote:
LOL @ 1 proto AV to take down a proto HAV, your adorable
1 guy with proto proxy mines, no more tank. Seems fair to me. Oh, you don't want balance? I see. there is no balance in war. this game is about war.
What would you say if we had true proto tanks that only another pro tank or 3 proto forges working together could kill? |
Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
185
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:23:00 -
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I'm staying out of this debate overall because I don't drive HAVs, but there's one thing I had to facepalm.
pegasis prime wrote:Also name calling isnt a personal attack its a time honerd tradition. Pointing out someones bad spelling in the middle of a debate is going for the personal attack style.
Seriously? I mean. Seriously?
Give me a few minutes to bang my head on my desk before the discussion resumes. |
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Xender17
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
337
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:26:00 -
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AV grenades power of an light AV weapon in the palm of everyones hand.
Flux grenades the power of a forge gun in everyones hand. (Vs shield tanks)
cost: less than 20,000
People to take down tank? any number... usually 2.
of course armor isn't affected by flux though... But shields are affected by both. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
572
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:30:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:I'm staying out of this debate overall because I don't drive HAVs, but there's one thing I had to facepalm. pegasis prime wrote:Also name calling isnt a personal attack its a time honerd tradition. Pointing out someones bad spelling in the middle of a debate is going for the personal attack style. Seriously? I mean. Seriously? Give me a few minutes to bang my head on my desk before the discussion resumes.
Dude learn the difference between a troll response and a reall response
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries
Immortals of War
2362
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:17:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:AV grenades power of an light AV weapon in the palm of everyones hand.
Flux grenades the power of a forge gun in everyones hand. (Vs shield tanks)
cost: less than 20,000
People to take down tank? any number... usually 2.
of course armor isn't affected by flux though... But shields are affected by both.
Flux grenades definitely aren't the power of a forge gun. Forges now do 90% damage against shields. |
Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
185
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:47:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Goric Rumis wrote:I'm staying out of this debate overall because I don't drive HAVs, but there's one thing I had to facepalm. pegasis prime wrote:Also name calling isnt a personal attack its a time honerd tradition. Pointing out someones bad spelling in the middle of a debate is going for the personal attack style. Seriously? I mean. Seriously? Give me a few minutes to bang my head on my desk before the discussion resumes. Dude learn the difference between a troll response and a reall response
Okay, good. I attribute the misunderstanding to the total absurdity of some of the ideas being thrown around as logical in this thread. But as I said, staying out of it. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:53:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:The Attorney General wrote:LOL @ 3 proto AV to take down a proto tank.
You're high.
LOL @ 1 proto AV to take down a proto HAV, your adorable
i will be soloing proto tanks |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
332
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:55:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Iv been wondering since we all have our own idea of what an acceptible ammount of AV to destroy a tank ?
I personally think it should be as follows
Swarms
6 malitia swarmers to tackle a std tank
4 std swarmers to take down std tank
3 adv swarms to tacke a std tank
2 proto swarmers to tacke a std tank.
MLT swarms do the same damage as STD swarms, so I don't think you actually drive a tank. |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
572
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:55:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Iv been wondering since we all have our own idea of what an acceptible ammount of AV to destroy a tank ?
I personally think it should be as follows
Swarms
6 malitia swarmers to tackle a std tank
4 std swarmers to take down std tank
3 adv swarms to tacke a std tank
2 proto swarmers to tacke a std tank.
MLT swarms do the same damage as STD swarms, so I don't think you actually drive a tank.
Firstly fitting requirments are higher. Secondly im not sure about thus but I think they take longer to reload and have less In the clip and thusly less dps. And you can think all you want (your not verry good at it apparently) if I see you in my tank ill smash you back to your mcc. |
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