DUST Search - [bug] Getting shot out of my LAV by turrets.

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

A few things are going on here that you may not be aware of.

First we have the famous client/server/client network connectivity and that produces, for ground troops, the chance to die [u]After[/p] ducking behind cover. What happens is your client didn't receive the hit notifications early enough to prevent you from moving. However, the server sent them and you are going to die.

How does that effect LAV drivers? If the Turret (whatever type) put rounds near your head and you start driving away you will still die. And you will be just as ticked off as the Merc in cover that died.

Now consider that your head has a 195% damage bonus. That is how Snipers can OHK most Mercs. Look at the splash damage for most turrets and you, sir, are going to die if they splash your head.

Finally, you need to sit in a Turret and watch LAVs. They are very hard to hit while they provide Zero protection to those in the LAV. I watch the heads of drivers heading away from my Turret all the time. And that is where I aim. I kill most LAVs directly but I get a reasonable number of Kills by popping Drivers, passengers and Gunners.

It is a small balance against the Murder Taxi Game.

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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 195	Posted - 2013.07.14 21:55:00 - [1] - Quote I have had this happen many times. Just a few minutes ago I was in a match and I was driving away from a tank, which was firing a blaster turret at the back of my LAV, as I was fleeing. We were on level ground and all of his bullets were hitting the back of my LAV, and my shields were still at more than half full. Regardless of not have a like of direct sight on my body, the rounds being fired at the back end of my LAV traveled through my shields through my LAV and killed my out of the drivers seat. I have had this happen to me many times at many different angles, and not with just tanks, but with turret instillations as well. I have LAVs that cost more that 400k ISK and I am starting to get very upset at loosing them to a ridiculous glitch like this. Please fix this ASAP.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1321	Posted - 2013.07.14 21:57:00 - [2] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I have had this happen many times. Just a few minutes ago I was in a match and I was driving away from a tank, which was firing a blaster turret at the back of my LAV, as I was fleeing. We were on level ground and all of his bullets were hitting the back of my LAV, and my shields were still at more than half full. Regardless of not have a like of direct sight on my body, the rounds being fired at the back end of my LAV traveled through my shields through my LAV and killed my out of the drivers seat. I have had this happen to me many times at many different angles, and not with just tanks, but with turret instillations as well. I have LAVs that cost more that 400k ISK and I am starting to get very upset at loosing them to a ridiculous glitch like this. Please fix this ASAP. The blaster turrets have splash damage.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 766	Posted - 2013.07.14 22:05:00 - [3] - Quote Using a tank with a blaster i can confirm i have shot many a LAV drivers well they were driving away.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 195	Posted - 2013.07.14 22:13:00 - [4] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I have had this happen many times. Just a few minutes ago I was in a match and I was driving away from a tank, which was firing a blaster turret at the back of my LAV, as I was fleeing. We were on level ground and all of his bullets were hitting the back of my LAV, and my shields were still at more than half full. Regardless of not have a like of direct sight on my body, the rounds being fired at the back end of my LAV traveled through my shields through my LAV and killed my out of the drivers seat. I have had this happen to me many times at many different angles, and not with just tanks, but with turret instillations as well. I have LAVs that cost more that 400k ISK and I am starting to get very upset at loosing them to a ridiculous glitch like this. Please fix this ASAP. The blaster turrets have splash damage. No it does not.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1321	Posted - 2013.07.14 22:16:00 - [5] - Quote Snip
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 195	Posted - 2013.07.14 23:28:00 - [6] - Quote I've been shot out of my LAV, by blaster instillations, when they absolutely had no line of sight on my body, three more time since I first posted this thread. Please CCP, fix this immediately.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 557	Posted - 2013.07.14 23:34:00 - [7] - Quote Its a bug im sure if you use any turret and shoot whare the drivers head would be you hit the driver and not the lav it seems the internal hit box is the same at the front and back
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Covert Intervention 532	Posted - 2013.07.14 23:42:00 - [8] - Quote A few things are going on here that you may not be aware of. First we have the famous client/server/client network connectivity and that produces, for ground troops, the chance to die [u]After[/p] ducking behind cover. What happens is your client didn't receive the hit notifications early enough to prevent you from moving. However, the server sent them and you are going to die. How does that effect LAV drivers? If the Turret (whatever type) put rounds near your head and you start driving away you will still die. And you will be just as ticked off as the Merc in cover that died. Now consider that your head has a 195% damage bonus. That is how Snipers can OHK most Mercs. Look at the splash damage for most turrets and you, sir, are going to die if they splash your head. Finally, you need to sit in a Turret and watch LAVs. They are very hard to hit while they provide Zero protection to those in the LAV. I watch the heads of drivers heading away from my Turret all the time. And that is where I aim. I kill most LAVs directly but I get a reasonable number of Kills by popping Drivers, passengers and Gunners. It is a small balance against the Murder Taxi Game.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 195	Posted - 2013.07.14 23:56:00 - [9] - Quote In the last game I was in I got shot out of my LAV two more times. This time by small blasters from another LAV.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 195	Posted - 2013.07.15 00:08:00 - [10] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: A few things are going on here that you may not be aware of. First we have the famous client/server/client network connectivity and that produces, for ground troops, the chance to die [u]After[/p] ducking behind cover. What happens is your client didn't receive the hit notifications early enough to prevent you from moving. However, the server sent them and you are going to die. How does that effect LAV drivers? If the Turret (whatever type) put rounds near your head and you start driving away you will still die. And you will be just as ticked off as the Merc in cover that died. Now consider that your head has a 195% damage bonus. That is how Snipers can OHK most Mercs. Look at the splash damage for most turrets and you, sir, are going to die if they splash your head. Finally, you need to sit in a Turret and watch LAVs. They are very hard to hit while they provide Zero protection to those in the LAV. I watch the heads of drivers heading away from my Turret all the time. And that is where I aim. I kill most LAVs directly but I get a reasonable number of Kills by popping Drivers, passengers and Gunners. It is a small balance against the Murder Taxi Game. double buzzer sound wrong! First, pre-uprising there there was no problem. Second, in most instances (the examples I gave) the turret never had a direct line of sight on my body at any time. So, there goes your idea about it being lag. Now stop pretending like you know what is going on, because you are just talking out your *, and it really **** me off when people do that.

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 195	Posted - 2013.07.15 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote Just got shot out of my LAV again by a tank.
Bullets2yaface Red Star. EoN. 30	Posted - 2013.07.15 19:32:00 - [12] - Quote being shot out of the things period is too easy no how can they hit me so easily from the back side of the lav fix please.. do some damn testing before you change things i shouldn't be shot out by the only shot to hit my lav especially if my shield is still up cuz that would mean THE SHIELD WOULD PROTECT THE DRIVER.
ugg reset Molon Labe. League of Infamy 313	Posted - 2013.07.15 22:24:00 - [13] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I have had this happen many times. Just a few minutes ago I was in a match and I was driving away from a tank, which was firing a blaster turret at the back of my LAV, as I was fleeing. We were on level ground and all of his bullets were hitting the back of my LAV, and my shields were still at more than half full. Regardless of not have a like of direct sight on my body, the rounds being fired at the back end of my LAV traveled through my shields through my LAV and killed my out of the drivers seat. I have had this happen to me many times at many different angles, and not with just tanks, but with turret instillations as well. I have LAVs that cost more that 400k ISK and I am starting to get very upset at loosing them to a ridiculous glitch like this. Please fix this ASAP. The blaster turrets have splash damage. . I'm running an ADV scatter on my Saga. It shoots somewhere in the nehibor hood of 48-47 damage per shot after skills and mods. I'm shooting Drivers out from behind them before I kill their gunners. I'm telling you something is F'ed up because splash should not travel from the back bumper to the driver seat.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 32	Posted - 2013.07.19 03:33:00 - [14] - Quote Ya I thank its a hit box lag.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 145	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:18:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Wang wrote: This is by design. Drivers are taking damage as intended.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 241	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:23:00 - [16] - Quote XiBravo wrote: CCP Wang wrote: This is by design. Drivers are taking damage as intended. Source? Or it didn't happen.
blue skink Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2013.07.19 11:24:00 - [17] - Quote I bet your lav is a lumbus or abron. They are worthless. They don't have doors. My free lav with doors protects me better than my lumbus or abron. After losing four if them I created a temp toon to create a shield lav toon. Much better.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 242	Posted - 2013.07.19 11:32:00 - [18] - Quote blue skink wrote: I bet your lav is a lumbus or abron. They are worthless. They don't have doors. My free lav with doors protects me better than my lumbus or abron. After losing four if them I created a temp toon to create a shield lav toon. Much better. Guess again. I am a Caldari LAV pilot.
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 649	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:43:00 - [19] - Quote CCP, This seems like bad design as drivers are getting shot out even when the lav driver is not facing the turret aka the turret shots through the lav from the back and the lav provides no protection at all. In addition, flux and av grenades are killing drivers out of lav even when the lav is at 100% hp. I think we all understand there is an lav problem and maybe this was one of your quick fixes to try to solve that problem but it seems to have spawned more things that to the player feel like bugs. I know I feel that an lav should provide more protection than what it is doing now. Increasing the hit box was not the best solution to the lav problem.
Hyuan BubblePOP Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.07.19 17:55:00 - [20] - Quote can HMGs and other small arms knock the driver out too the way as the blasters on lavs

Piercing Serenity PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 357	Posted - 2013.07.20 01:50:00 - [21] - Quote Apparently this mechanic is working as intended Dev Post
SteelDark Knight Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 56	Posted - 2013.07.20 14:22:00 - [22] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Apparently this mechanic is working as intended Dev Post C'mon man! In all seriousness - I wonder if this is one of those latency issues, etc, that they cannot see when they play internally but we all see because of server code, etc. Kind of like aiming, etc, in Uprising.
Psychotic Shooter Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 113	Posted - 2013.07.21 02:05:00 - [23] - Quote Done my own tests LAV Drivers will not get hit by handheld weapons from any where but his/ her body Blaster turrets can shoot though the door back of the seat and the top half of the bonnet and hit the driver This is ment to be like this you think you should me impervious to getting shot out so you can murder taxi all day i say thank you ccp
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 95	Posted - 2013.07.21 10:16:00 - [24] - Quote I agree this is a pain in the ass. Not only is it; totally random and gives you no way to accurately predict what angles / what weapons WILL kill you out of the LAV drivers seat it is also - Almost impossible to escape the super aiming AI or installation turrets. Why the hell is the AI so good. This discourages people using turrets if the AI systems are more proficent than the mercs can ever be. Not only all of that. My argument would be, while the vehicle still has shields should I not be protected by that same shield seeing as I'm inside the vehicle and therefore inside the shield? Is it a balance issue thing? If that's the case it is not very balanced for the driver currently. Fix LAV`s - Make them into NON murder taxis, make them take a while to speed up as well as needing to use the turrets way more as their primary weapon. At the same time make the vehicles shield protect the occupants. If not 100% until the shield is down, we should take reduced damage inside the shield.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.07.21 10:24:00 - [25] - Quote I would just like to say that blasters, at least large blasters, DO have splash damage. I didn't think they did either because I didn't remember it from beta but I drove my blaster gunnlogi right up to a friendly supply depot so that the end of my blaster was almost touching the depot and fired. After about ten shots I was surprised to find my shields had taken quite a bit of damage, it seemed almost like full damage with further testing, although moving 1 meter away I didn't take any damage so my guess is blasters have less than or equal to 1m splash radius. I would just like to say though, as a tank driver, it does seem like a large blaster whose impact on a wall is nearly the same size as an lav could be just going through the back of the lav and hitting the driver (or for that matter going through the driver).
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 599	Posted - 2013.07.21 20:43:00 - [26] - Quote Quote: [BUG] Drivers getting shot out of LAV by turret https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=94426&find=unread Status: This is by design. Drivers are taking damage as intended. If that's really the case, then fox OTHER weapon systems as they won't kill drivers like that (shooting at rear tire kills the driver)
Arcadash A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.07.23 19:05:00 - [27] - Quote I must agree with this but i must also say that it is a counter to those pesky murder taxis. Now since the free lavs are gone, its been more gun game and people that pay for lavs should get that protection because i'm a tanker and i kill the drivers before i blow up the lav... otherwise those free blueprint lavs shouldn't be nothing but troop transports and not murder taxis. Sorry but i'm just happy with free lavs gone...
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 150	Posted - 2013.07.23 21:00:00 - [28] - Quote What I have noticed is that it seems that blaster turret rounds penetrate through some objects. For example the solid metal railings at A on Ashland. This may also be happening with LAVs.
hashtag umadbro Local Tankers 514 0	Posted - 2013.07.23 21:14:00 - [29] - Quote Murder taxi'ing not as lucrative? blasters have splash damage I drive a logi Lav and honestly I like this mechanic.anything to stop people from driving around in jeeps abusing the purpose... although when you name the starter jeep "Impact" it begs to question what the purpose was.
Bullets2yaface Red Star. EoN. 39	Posted - 2013.07.24 21:24:00 - [30] - Quote Say whatever you want CCP but how bout you explain how a driver is shot out of the LAV before the shield is down shouldn't the shield protect the driver also? hmmm



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