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Champions of liberty and fierce guardians of the human spirit, the Gallente Federation is the only true democracy in New Eden. Its principles are brotherhood, fraternity, and equal rights to all men. Some of the most progressive leaders, scientists, and businessmen of the era have emerged from its diverse peoples. Pioneers of artificial intelligence, the Federation once relied almost entirely on drone fleets to defend its beliefs and borders. But the limitations of this technology and the lack of a human elementGÇöboth in terms of a military strategy, and as a means of spreading influenceGÇö eventually reached a critical point. Today, Gallente starships are manned by some of the bravest men and women of New Eden.
The Gallente. Self-righteous, meddling, pompous and tiresome, or virile liberalists and defenders of the free world. Love them or hate them, you simply can't ignore them. Everybody has an opinion on the Gallente Federation, it all depends from which side of the table you view them. For many, it is the Promised Land, where any dream can become a reality. The Gallente remain strong believers in free will and human rights, despite numerous setbacks in their long history.
It has been said that, once you have seen the Crystal Boulevard in Caille you've seen it all. True, the view is spectacular, but if there's one thing you can never see in its entirety, that is the Gallente Federation. You may travel its length and breadth, marvel at the Sunspiral on Troux, climb the Akat Mountains on tropical Intaki or thrill to the Mendre dancers on Sovicou. Wherever you go, you will always see something new and exciting, even when you visit the same place again. Gallente society is in a constant state of flux, vigorous, vibrant and progressive.
Few societies display such stark contrasts. Many of the wealthiest people in the world are Gallente, creating a constant demand for luxury goods. At the same time, the ranks of the poor number millions, because while the liberal market-driven economy and individual freedom may allow everybody the chance to advance to the top, they make it just as easy to plummet to the very bottom of the social ladder.
In the world of New Eden, the Gallente are the kings of entertainment, mass-producing everything from cheap ****-flicks to elaborate stage-shows for an ever-hungry public. They boast the most elaborate luxury space yachts, and the most glittering hotel reservoirs. Anything your mind or body could ever crave, the Gallente have plenty of it.
The Gallente are not alone in their Federation, whose boundaries are home to pockets of residents varying in size and representing all the other races of New Eden, most of whom left their own empires due to political or ideological differences, or simply in search of peace and prosperity. In addition to the natural born Gallente there are two races, the Intaki and the Mannar, both of whom the Gallente found while exploring and expanding their empire. Both were at a very primitive level when the Gallente found them, but since coming under their protection and guidance, both ave flourished and are now full-fledged members of the Federation.
The Caldari were initially part of the Federation but deep-seated differences and mutual animosity between them and the Gallente drove them out to found their own empire. For a time the two empires warred against each other, but as neither could gain sufficient advantage to claim victory, peace was settled in the end.
Championing freedom and liberty across the universe, the Gallente Federation is the only true democracy currently in existence.
Major segments of the Gallente Federation include:
GÇóEthnic Gallente - Valuing liberty and freedom above all else, the Gallente are the original champions of the only true democracy of New Eden.
GÇóIntaki - The Intaki are thoughtful, composed, and proficient communicators, handing them a strong influence on Federal bureaucracy and diplomacy. They have a unique outlook on life, due to their unusual philosophy of rebirth.
GÇóJin-Mei - A recent addition to the Federation, the Jin-Mei are a rigidly caste-conscious society. They are known both for their militaristic patriotism and opportunistic business practices.
GÇóMannar - Headstrong and stubborn, the Mannar are one of the oldest members of the Federation, notorious for their fervent nationalism.
GÇóMinmatar - Forming a third of the Federation's total population, the Minmatar are the largest immigrant bloc in the nation, taking up a large portion of labor occupations and frontline military units.
The Gallente Federation was founded a little over 300 years ago. At that time the Federation consisted of 17 sectors or districts and four races. A district is a group of solar systems (of various sizes). The number of districts has steadily increased through the ages and now stands at 62. The four races at the FederationGÇÖs creation were the Gallente (by far the largest of the four), the Caldari, the Intaki and the Mannar. The Caldari left a few decades after the FederationGÇÖs foundation and set up their own empire. The other three remain and have since been bolstered by immigrants from all the races, most notably Minmatar, to the point where people of that ancestry now number almost a third of the total population of the Federation.
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The core belief of the Federation is that of individuality and individual freedom. Its democracy is very open: it is common for major issues to go to a public vote instead of being solely decided on by the senate or president, thanks to actions long ago by lobby factions wishing to utilize public opinion. The lobby factionists felt it was much easier to sway public opinion on important matters via master propagandists than via the mind of the president. But in practice this has created a paradox as the individual freedom to do what you want constantly clashes with the individual freedom from being oppressed by other individuals. Any governmental interference to keep things in check through legislation and policing is naturally perceived as oppression of the rights and freedom of individuals, constantly creating tension. But the Federation and its populace have learned to direct and control this tension, making it in many ways a positive thing. The result is an exceedingly vibrant society, constantly scrutinizing itself and its principles, spurring creativity and ethical notions.
The Legislative Arm
The Federal Senate holds 881 members, with elections held every 5 years. The Senate is responsible for passing new laws and in supervising that the administration and the courts are behaving properly. The most important function of the Senate is in overseeing the taxation and fiscal spending by the government. In addition to the Federal Senate, each district has its own parliament (simply called district parliaments), whose official function is to advise and support the Senate on local issues, but in reality the parliaments wield a great deal of authority over the affairs of their district.
Lobbying plays a big part Gallente politics. The lobbying factions have become an integral part of the system, affecting and even regulating everything from the elections to what bills are presented before the Senate. The other races point to the entrenched lobbyists as a clear sign of corruption and in the supposed Gallente democracy, but the Gallente themselves regard the lobbyists as a robust system for keeping the Senate in touch with society, comparing their role to that of stock brokers in the trade hall.
More recently, during its conflict with then-President Foiritan and the Supreme Court, the Federation Senate championed GÇ£big bucks businessGÇ¥ and entrenched interests in the Gallente Federation.
The Executive Arm
A president heads the executive arm of the Gallente Federation. The president is elected every 5 years and, in the past, the same man could not be re-elected. The intent of this rule is to make the president and his administration focus on running the Federation rather than focus on their own popularity. Nevertheless, because the presidency is so closely linked to the lobbyism factions and thus to the Senate, the Gallente Federation is often a huge spectacle where appearance matters more than efficiency. Foiritan, however, successfully had the law changed and won a second, albeit aborted, term.
The Gallente president is nominally the head of state and the most powerful man in the Federation, but this is not always the case. Some presidents were puppets of political factions acting behind the scenes, but most of them have acted independently, although always within the strict framework set by the lobbyist factions.
For many the president is nothing more than the smiling face of the government; an actor playing the role of the kind, considerate and generous father of the people. This notion is supported by the trappings of the presidency, its fabulous palaces and space shuttles, purposefully aiming to awe and amaze foreign visitors and Gallente alike.
Black Eagles
The Black Eagles are the Federal Intelligence service and report to the President. Their tactics, referred to as protocols, are named with the type of protocol, a symbol, and a number. Protocol Alpha-Three was the protocol executed in the apprehension attempt of Jacus Roden.
The Judicial Arm
The judicial system in the Gallente Federation is ever vigilant in keeping the Federation as wholesome as possible. The system is not known for being fair in their dealings with the FederationGÇÖs citizens, as it almost seems like there are two different penal systems in use depending on the wealth of the accused. But even if the rich can expect some leniency in sentences imposed by the courts they donGÇÖt get preferential treatment in the investigation of the crime, meaning that you are just as likely to be caught for a crime whether youGÇÖre at the top or the bottom of the social ladder. And history shows that the social rejection by their peers is even more efficient in punishing the rich than a few years more or less in prison.
The highest judicial power is the Supreme Court, which consists of 13 judges, appointed for life by the president and approved by the Senate. Beneath the Supreme Court are the District Courts, one for each of the 62 districts. |
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The citizens, soldiers, and leaders of the Federation are still reeling from the Caldari assault on Luminaire, trying to come to terms with the invasion and to understand exactly how this makes them feel. There's a lot of confusion and anger bubbling to the surface, along with the determination that this cannot be allowed to happen a second time.
Citizens
The dominant emotion among the citizens of the Federation is confusion. There are a lot of questions to which they want answers GÇô from their leaders, from their military, and from themselves. How did this happen? Why did we not see it coming? How is it that we couldn't stop it? Are we really that soft and weak and defenseless? Who can we trust? What should we do? What should we feel?
Some blamed Foiritan personally - which eventually led to his loss of the Presidential mandate, and to Jacus Roden's rise to power - and some blamed the political leadership as a whole, though few still truly understand what happened or why. Others lay the responsibility at the feet of the military, trying to ignore their own complicity in the shortage of resources and personnel. Some blame their fellow citizens GÇô particularly those of other races, occupations, or walks of life GÇô often due just as much to older and deeper misgivings than to the current situation. There are a very few who blame themselves.
But all of them curse the Caldari - them and their barbaric leader Heth.
This is in line with Gallente capitalism. For Gallente, the accumulation of wealth is something that is done on an individual level and personal wealth only matters in comparison to the wealth of other individuals - a stark contrast with Caldari capitalism for the people.
Military
Rumors of Grand Admiral Eturrer's defection and subsequent disappearance eventually trickled down the ranks. The consensus among those in the know was that he was the vilest of traitors, and solely to blame for the entire debacle; such was the fervor that when he was finally caught, he was fairly tortured to death in front of a nationwide audience.
Many of the Federation Navy's top personnel had spent years fighting for increased funding and additional recruitment, and the prevailing opinion is that the Navy could have made a credible stand in Luminaire had they not been betrayed. With the horrific actions of Admiral Noir still fresh in memory, there are many who have lost faith in the command leadership entirely.
As a result most remain angry and frustrated, itching for a chance to strike back. They recognized the wisdom in Foiritan's surrender but they fumed at his weakness (and, of course, eventually replaced him with the more militant Roden). The situation in the Luminaire system has had everyone on edge. The military establishment knows full well that the Federation is about three hours and a twitch away from having every planet in its home system rendered permanently uninhabitable. They are also aware of their resulting helplessness against the Titan looming over Caldari Prime, and the feeling greatly intensifies their desire to strike back somewhere else.
Leadership
There's been great turmoil in the Federal government. Most of its personnel, much like the general citizenry, have been left in the dark. Only those at the highest levels appreciated the full scope of the invasion's events, and they spent quite a bit of effort frantically trying to predict even the most immediate consequences. The one thing already showing with crystal clarity is that the Federation is extremely scared, and that moreover this fear is likely to change soon, into extraordinary - and very dangerous - anger.
The President, the Senate, and the leaders of the various Federal institutions can see very clearly that they need to be ready for this seismic shift when it happens, and right now that's what everyone's spending every waking hourGÇòand no one's getting any sleepGÇòtrying to anticipate. There's very little time for recrimination or finger-pointing, nor for any but the most basic politics; that will come later, and it will likely be a long and bitter struggle.
Voter Blocs
The habit of dividing the population up into broad blocs of voters is an old one in Gallente political circles, and five groups in particular have risen to distinction.
Hawks
Most prevalent among the Jin-Mei and Mannar populations (though naturally well represented among military personnel across the Federation), this is the ever-present fraction of those who advocate a militaristic stance. Maintaining this position requires an uncommon mindsetGÇòthe largest group among the hawks are the pureblooded patriots who believe passionately in the greatness of the Federation (and the need to spread its influence as far and wide as possible).
This political leaning often brings together retired generals and entertainment moguls, since the spread of cultural influence is clearly a valuable weapon. In light of yesterday's attacks, the hawks are calling for measured consideration of the situation, with an eye to the subsequent deployment of as much military force as is necessary to push the Caldari back and, following that, undertake a sustainable counter-attack.
Foiritan had never been a friend to the hawksGÇòthey tend to find much more in common with BlaqueGÇò and it was with a sigh of relief that they saw him out of office and welcomed the far more militant Jacus Roden. |
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Doves
Comprised mostly of Intaki and common among artists of all stripes, this group opposes military action in all but the most clearly defensive cases, although they're less averse to spreading Gallente beliefs through "cultural warfare." The recent history of the Gallente has made protesting against military action something of a challenge (there having been very little to protest), but the dove mindset has shown remarkable resilience over the years and still represents a relevant percentage of the population.
This group's popularity may in part be attributed to the considerable effort expended over many years by the movement's proponents to define a consistent and coherent position without lapsing into irrelevant extremism. They were, of course, appalled by the unprovoked Caldari assault, but were equally appalled by calls among their fellow Gallente for unrestrained retaliation. Most acknowledge the need to reclaim Luminaire, although with the caveat that any action should be managed as peacefully as possible. At the same time, fringe members of this group actually sympathize with the Caldari position rather more than is politically fashionable at the moment.
The doves had always accorded well with Foiritan although they never fully trusted him, but they are going to have a hell of a time with President Rodent..
Vultures
One of the more predictable blocs, made up of military contractors and financial despots; Jin-Mei and ethnic Gallente; and others from all walks of life, right down to individual shop workers. This group will pounce on any opportunity to turn current events to their own advantage, usually without considering the true ramifications or the cost to others. If there's money to be made or power to be gained through a particular course of action, they'll lean hard on anyone they can pressure until they get their way. Unsurprisingly, they're by far the most effective lobbying community in the Federation.
For most of the vultures, the prospect of a full-blown war is the most exciting thing that's happened in the last fifty years, and they're already figuring out exactly what needs to be done to extract maximum returns from the situation. This is the group that is pushing hardest for the most extreme options; indeed, some are advocating simply piling the entire Federation Navy into Luminaire and damn the consequences. They'll support whoever looks to be most useful to them at any particular moment in timeGÇòJacus Roden's militarism looks eminently profitable, but they'll get behind Mentas Blaque in a heartbeat if he looks more likely to accommodate their demands.
Magpies
The magpies are easily the largest and most fickle group in Gallente politics. Though comprised of people from just about every profession and walk of life in the Federation, they are united by their short attention spans, a superficial understanding of politics, and the ability to become suffused with theatrical outrage at the drop of a hat. Typically they form a huge mass of fragmented interest groups, dissolving and reforming in a seemingly random manner as old causes become stale and boring and new ones sprout. The strongest force in Gallente politics occurs when a critical mass of these sybarites unite behind a particular cause, at which point support rapidly snowballs and they become nigh-unstoppable. This, thankfully, is a rare occurrence.
This group are still collecting themselves after recent shocks, but the smart money says they'll throw their support behind some kind of counter-attack. The exact form this effort might take is open to speculation, but the retributive mood swing seems inevitable. The political and military leadership knows that these opinions will likely not endure once casualties start to mountGÇòbut they also know that this group cares not one jot about which leader gets them what they want, so long as they get it.
Ostriches
These are likely the second largest bloc, encompassing a disproportionate number of ethnic Gallente, low-paid workers, and high-flying success stories. They have no real interest in politics or events on the federal stage. They're either happy enough with their lot or too busy to care, but the end result is the same. As many a politician has found out to her considerable cost, however, they cannot simply be ignoredGÇò a fair number of them vote, if only because they feel they ought to, although typically they just vote for whomever they've actually heard of (or failing that, the one with the most interesting name). Woe betide any would-be leader who actually manages to get their attention by interfering with their lives; a number of aspiring statesmen have destroyed a rival merely by insinuating to the right people that the rival is planning to reduce worker protections, clamp down on wild parties, or just interfere unnecessarily with peoples' lives.
This group's interest in the war extends only to muttering over headlines or having expansively irrelevant arguments about it, and most individuals in this group couldn't even tell you the current President's nameGÇòwhich is likely seen as a good thing by all concerned. |
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Propaganda
The Federation Senate spent three years in a silent war starting in YC 103 following the election of Souro Foiritan to the presidency. The point of contention was where the ultimate power within the Federation lay. The Senate, having become accustomed to prior presidents with little backbone, had the opinion it was the true leader of the Federation.
The Supreme Court was also dragged into this conflict as the champion of truth and reason, becoming a beacon of common sense between the other two sides.
A number of other political events which would otherwise be insignificant were blown out of proportion when the feuding sides used them as pretext to attack each other. Each side also employed use of propaganda in an attempt to claim victory. Their lawyers, PR stunt men, and the media became conduits for their deceit, sleaze, and hatred, leading to a general opinion that the only casualties of the conflict were truth and reason.
Senate leadership used lobbyists and moneymen to build a formidable position against President Foiritan during the power struggle, though some opinions felt this GÇ£fortress of special interestsGÇ¥ became an ivory tower over time. |
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Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. |
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Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see.
I did this for true adamance, he wanted me to show him the facts, so im showing the facts |
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Void Echo wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. I did this for true adamance, he wanted me to show him the facts, so im showing the facts
You showed him a wall of words with little meaning. You could of rather pointed him to your sources and given analysis.
What part about any of that is anyone supposed to focus on, exactly? |
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Orin Issa wrote:Void Echo wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. I did this for true adamance, he wanted me to show him the facts, so im showing the facts You showed him a wall of words with little meaning. You could of rather pointed him to your sources and given analysis. What part about any of that is anyone supposed to focus on, exactly?
not my problem |
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Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see.
Respectfully, Mr. Issa, the documents he is quoting from are largely neutral in both tone and content ... once you get past his first few paragraphs.
A few citations or links would probably be appropriate, so we (and True Adamance) can weigh the quality of the sources. Some of them are, at the very least, a little out of date. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. Respectfully, Mr. Issa, the documents he is quoting from are largely neutral in both tone and content ... once you get past his first few paragraphs. A few citations or links would probably be appropriate, so we (and True Adamance) can weigh the quality of the sources. Some of them are, at the very least, a little out of date.
Entire page on the Gallente Federation |
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Void Echo wrote:not my problem
If you are attempting to persuade, either directly or by providing data that you believe will prove persuasive, clarity and accessibility is precisely your problem, soldier. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:not my problem If you are attempting to persuade, either directly or by providing data that you believe will prove persuasive, clarity and accessibility is precisely your problem, soldier.
no im just putting an end to adamance's rants that I don't know anything about my own empire, im sick of it, so im showing this.
in my individual view free from federation influence, I see the federation as most see it, a promise land free from the other empires prejudice and captivity, we have produced the most advanced equipment in the galaxy up to now, and we also have the most fearless plots of new eden within our boarders. Quote:your not a man unless you fly either a Gallente ship or a Minmitar ship a quote I found on some other website. as it turns out, the Gallente are the most widely and openly supported by the pilots of new eden |
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Void Echo wrote:no im just putting an end to adamance's rants that in don't know anything about my own empire, im sick of it, so im showing this
Then we might presume that you are well aware that your source is years out of date? It appears to have been last updated shortly after the ascent of Jacus Roden. Presumably, politics have shifted somewhat, since, particularly with the mixed results of the Federal effort to retake Caldari Prime.
As a resource for general understanding, this is a little less dated, perhaps. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:no im just putting an end to adamance's rants that in don't know anything about my own empire, im sick of it, so im showing this Then we might presume that you are well aware that your source is years out of date? It appears to have been last updated shortly after the ascent of Jacus Roden. Presumably, politics have shifted somewhat, since, particularly with the mixed results of the Federal effort to retake Caldari Prime. As a resource for general understanding, this is a little less dated, perhaps.
whered you find this at? |
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. Respectfully, Mr. Issa, the documents he is quoting from are largely neutral in both tone and content ... once you get past his first few paragraphs. A few citations or links would probably be appropriate, so we (and True Adamance) can weigh the quality of the sources. Some of them are, at the very least, a little out of date.
Understandably, I am simply pointing out that what he wrote is nothing more than copied word-for-word entries on existing documents that also do not provide entirely accurate information. These records are publicly available to all men and women, he is essentially handing us an encyclopedia and leaving. What point is our Mister Echo trying to make here? If he is trying to make an informative argument on behalf of the Federation it would be better suited with either original words from his own perspective or an analysis on such existing documents. |
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Void Echo wrote:whered you find this at?
The public datastores contain a great deal of useful information, but are cross-referenced poorly. Some of them even appear contradictory. There are articles on the demographics of three of the four major empires (as above, plus the Caldari and Amarr; I'm not sure why there is no equivalent article for the Minmatar Republic), as well as on certain religious customs and views of death. ... Among, I'm sure, other things I haven't found yet.
Actually, collecting links for this post, I found a few more.
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Orin Issa wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. Respectfully, Mr. Issa, the documents he is quoting from are largely neutral in both tone and content ... once you get past his first few paragraphs. A few citations or links would probably be appropriate, so we (and True Adamance) can weigh the quality of the sources. Some of them are, at the very least, a little out of date. Understandably, I am simply pointing out that what he wrote is nothing more than copied word-for-word entries on existing documents that also do not provide entirely accurate information. These records are publicly available to all men and women, he is essentially handing us an encyclopedia and leaving. What point is our Mister Echo trying to make here? If he is trying to make an informative argument on behalf of the Federation it would be better suited with either original words from his own perspective or an analysis on such existing documents.
1st of all I don't care if its an encyclopedia, im only trying to make one point here and that's to show adamnce that I know my federation. |
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Void Echo wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:not my problem If you are attempting to persuade, either directly or by providing data that you believe will prove persuasive, clarity and accessibility is precisely your problem, soldier. no im just putting an end to adamance's rants that I don't know anything about my own empire, im sick of it, so im showing this. in my individual view free from federation influence, I see the federation as most see it, a promise land free from the other empires prejudice and captivity, we have produced the most advanced equipment in the galaxy up to now, and we also have the most fearless plots of new eden within our boarders. Quote:your not a man unless you fly either a Gallente ship or a Minmitar ship a quote I found on some other website. as it turns out, the Gallente are the most widely and openly supported by the pilots of new eden The ability to read information and comprehend it are not one and the same. I am not accusing you of lack of understanding, but nothing in your original posts provide any evidence of such. Furthermore, if you believe in these viewpoints you must be prepared to bring the evidence. Furthermore, a quote without a source no credible value. |
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Void Echo wrote:ok then, once again you amarrians have high jacked my thread
With respect, soldier, Mr. Issa and I are both Achura. We're a Caldari client culture with, as you can maybe tell, a taste for intellectualism.
We're also very spiritual, in our own way, but it's not a faith that's really quite comparable to that of the Amarr. |
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Orin Issa wrote:Void Echo wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:not my problem If you are attempting to persuade, either directly or by providing data that you believe will prove persuasive, clarity and accessibility is precisely your problem, soldier. no im just putting an end to adamance's rants that I don't know anything about my own empire, im sick of it, so im showing this. in my individual view free from federation influence, I see the federation as most see it, a promise land free from the other empires prejudice and captivity, we have produced the most advanced equipment in the galaxy up to now, and we also have the most fearless plots of new eden within our boarders. Quote:your not a man unless you fly either a Gallente ship or a Minmitar ship a quote I found on some other website. as it turns out, the Gallente are the most widely and openly supported by the pilots of new eden The ability to read information and comprehend it are not one and the same. I am not accusing you of lack of understanding, but nothing in your original posts provide any evidence of such. Furthermore, if you believe in these viewpoints you must be prepared to bring the evidence. Furthermore, a quote without a source no credible value.
you must be blind because you didn't see the link I posted |
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:10:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:ok then, once again you amarrians have high jacked my thread With respect, soldier, Mr. Issa and I are both Achura. We're a Caldari client culture with, as you can maybe tell, a taste for intellectualism. We're also very spiritual, in our own way, but it's not a faith that's really quite comparable to that of the Amarr.
I have an alt within the achura, fairly new. I also have a pure blooded amarrian alt |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
72
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:18:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:I have an alt within the achura, fairly new. I also have a pure blooded amarrian alt
It is good to have a variety of associates, I suppose.
If it is your intent to suggest that Mr. Issa and I are catspaws speaking on behalf of the Amarr, Void Echo, then I can only suggest that you note that our remarks to the Amarr have not been uncritical.
We are perhaps more critical of the Gallente, with whom our patrons are at war, but we have reason to fear True Adamance and his fellow templars. He, personally, may see all faiths as one, but the policy of the Amarr is to expand. Our faith is not theirs, and we are rather fond of the one we have.
I am, at least. I do not speak for Mr. Issa, directly, of course. |
Orin Issa
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:43:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Void Echo wrote:I have an alt within the achura, fairly new. I also have a pure blooded amarrian alt It is good to have a variety of associates, I suppose. If it is your intent to suggest that Mr. Issa and I are catspaws speaking on behalf of the Amarr, Void Echo, then I can only suggest that you note that our remarks to the Amarr have not been uncritical. We are perhaps more critical of the Gallente, with whom our patrons are at war, but we have reason to fear True Adamance and his fellow templars. He, personally, may see all faiths as one, but the policy of the Amarr is to expand. Our faith is not theirs, and we are rather fond of the one we have. I am, at least. I do not speak for Mr. Issa, directly, of course.
My appreciations, Yun Hee.
With regards to the Amarr, they are a marvelous civilization. I hold them in great prestige due to their profound belief in spirituality and gracious acceptance of all men and women. However, they find their spirituality not by seeking the answers to understanding the universe but rather by blind faith, and though they will welcome anyone among their society they do so through harsh assimilation which washes away countless accounts of the universe through the perspective of other cultures. It is for this reason I am thankful the Caldari State was the ones to find us; letting us preserve our culture while providing security and all the while sharing the same passion for understanding the universe, though admittedly for different reasons. |
Denak Kalamari
BurgezzE.T.F
225
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Posted - 2013.07.13 19:08:00 -
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I'm starting to believe that Void Echo has taken a few too many boosters reading the things he is posting. I'm Intaki, born with Gallente nationality. I take pride in my nationality, but I do not blindly follow it and only speak good about it. The Federation has it's problems just like the Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar do, we're not living in a perfect world. What you're doing here Void is taking the accusations of an Amarr on a GalNet forum way too seriously, you should take a step back and consider what you're doing.
Echo ahm beklaand... |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
588
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Posted - 2013.07.13 19:21:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:I'm starting to believe that Void Echo has taken a few too many boosters reading the things he is posting. I'm Intaki, born with Gallente nationality. I take pride in my nationality, but I do not blindly follow it and only speak good about it. The Federation has it's problems just like the Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar do, we're not living in a perfect world. What you're doing here Void is taking the accusations of an Amarr on a GalNet forum way too seriously, you should take a step back and consider what you're doing.
Echo ahm beklaand...
im taking this **** way too seriously, but that's the fun |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
567
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:02:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see. I did this for true adamance, he wanted me to show him the facts, so im showing the facts
Thank you but you need to go deeper into the histories of the Gallente especially in the years of first contacts with the Amarrian empire to see that while the gallenteans are indeed a people who champion justice and liberty by their terms they are not wholly as self less as this makes them out to be. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1110
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:08:00 -
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Typical Gallente, feeding others misinformation and throwing wild accusations and attacks towards others when called on it. |
Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
592
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:14:00 -
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been busy with the great dust war. il have more time to do this stuff when its over in a few months |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
568
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:18:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:been busy with the great dust war. il have more time to do this stuff when its over in a few months
As "great" as the war is cough flay lock/ fused spam (fortunately as an honourable tankers you don't do that)...... it won't be the only or the last. Good luck to you....though I have to support EoN because of their affiliation to Amarr/Caldari.... |
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Void Echo
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
592
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:been busy with the great dust war. il have more time to do this stuff when its over in a few months As "great" as the war is cough flay lock/ fused spam (fortunately as an honourable tankers you don't do that)...... it won't be the only or the last. Good luck to you....though I have to support EoN because of their affiliation to Amarr/Caldari....
**** honor, im in this for the history |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
568
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:24:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:been busy with the great dust war. il have more time to do this stuff when its over in a few months As "great" as the war is cough flay lock/ fused spam (fortunately as an honourable tankers you don't do that)...... it won't be the only or the last. Good luck to you....though I have to support EoN because of their affiliation to Amarr/Caldari.... **** honor, im in this for the history
Then I'm holding out for God's Architect's amazing lore write up....without it your "war" is pretty much just a three month skirmish match.
Though I would love to have been involved PIE is FW, and my other corp is not interested in fighting wars. |
Templar Twelve
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5
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Posted - 2013.07.14 07:58:00 -
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The Federation...
This is information that all should know about the Gallente:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=416457 |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
639
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Posted - 2013.07.15 04:17:00 -
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Orin Issa wrote:Champions of liberty by denying others freedom.
If you wish to spread knowledge of the Federation, try so without copying the official propaganda statements. Describe the world you see.
The best propaganda is facts like these.
Freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHRlN0Bxto0&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1123
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Posted - 2013.08.16 09:58:00 -
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I find it funny that people think that their races main form of government is the correct answer.
As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong (either stupid or a commited role-player, like True Adamance).
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't turn into a True Adamance for the Gallente, we don't need that.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done things that I regret
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people, it serves itself. It has become big, bloated and power hungry.
Join me brother.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk) |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1098
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:25:00 -
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Just to chip in. Copy and paste does not show understanding or knowledge it just shows where u can find it. This is a mistake many of faithfull make being able to quote a boom does not mean u understand or even know what it means. This is why me and true both equally faithful speak very diffrently.
True and correct me if I'm wrong seeks understand in the words and ridgly sticks to them. I seek understanding through the actions and context in which the words were spoken to ensure I understand why they were spoken in the first place.
This is why both of us get anoyyed at blind faith and why just shoving txt at us is equally as annoying prove u understand and most amarr will callout.
And for the record zealots anoyye even dogs can blindly follow rules and instructions doesn't mean u understand why u are doing it |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1311
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:57:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I find it funny that people think that their races main form of government is the correct answer.
As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong (either stupid or a commited role-player, like True Adamance).
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't turn into a True Adamance for the Gallente, we don't need that.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done things that I regret
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people, it serves itself. It has become big, bloated and power hungry.
Join me brother.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)
(( My character is a Fathful devotee of the Amarrian Empire, its not that he blindly follows its that he chooses to support the Empire with all he does because he believes that it is his divine duty to spread the word of God.... Im not blindly following the Amarr I'm RPing a Templar. |
Octavian Vetiver
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
166
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Posted - 2013.08.17 00:16:00 -
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Yes, we are all aware the Federation serves, truth, justice and the freedom of it's citizens. However, you are forgetting it's past history of starting the war with Caldari over colonies. The creation of rogue drones due to their constant optimization of drone abilities which inevitably led to the continuing rogue drone issue. The public execution within the last half a decade of Admiral Etturer. And the continued drug problems, immigrant issues with the minmatar, FIO and Black Eagle operations without the support of the people, and against the people in quite a few cases along with a large Modifier culture who continue to work on making themselves lesser and lesser human appearing. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
312
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Posted - 2013.08.18 02:46:00 -
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I dare say us Gallentean are being based to no end, and I do believe I understand why.
Comrade Echo, copy and paste does not equal understanding. You must provide a logical thesis and explain your reasoning behind it. Copy and pasting documents anyone can find is just clutter, is all.
Please do know we Gallenteans have our faults. We are not perfect. No nation is. But, you may choose where you want to live. You should not be forced to live in the nation you were born with. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1090
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:16:00 -
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It's a bunch of dudes who can't shoot (AR and blaster turret).
I may have been born Gallente, but I'm Caldari at heart. |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1310
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:28:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:It's a bunch of dudes who can't shoot (AR and blaster turret).
I may have been born Gallente, but I'm Caldari at heart.
This just in. Assault Rifle doesn't require aiming to kill. Blast Radius for assault rifle confirmed in 1.4 via O'Dell. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
201
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:03:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:It's a bunch of dudes who can't shoot (AR and blaster turret).
I may have been born Gallente, but I'm Caldari at heart. This just in. Assault Rifle doesn't require aiming to kill. Blast Radius for assault rifle confirmed in 1.4 via O'Dell.
Oh-ho. Well, it -is- a plasma weapon. Lethal splash is to be expected, but it's only really been a threat to exposed tissue and combustibles up until now. I suppose they just worked out how to configure the magnetic containment to vent into its surroundings at dropsuit-piercing levels of intensity as it collapses.
Edit:
I'd be surprised if they managed to make it very powerful, though. |
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