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C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:15:00 -
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I am playing nothing but OMS matches and using nothing but one fit and recording what weapon kills me every-time I die. This should put a stop to the "such and such a weapons overpowered" threads.
I will release the results of this epic recording of my deaths once I have 100 OMS games recorded. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1906
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:28:00 -
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Probably similar to what Cat Merc did then. |
Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
1188
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:31:00 -
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I done this too, except I was in a Scout suit.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=91843 |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
660
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:36:00 -
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Selection Bias
Your findings, as an individual piece of data, won't have too much significance for anyone but players of roughly your fit, skill and play style.
If you're a tank driver you will find that snipers barely exist. I if you're a sniper you would conclude that people apparently don't use any weapon at all.
Gathering this data is a neat idea but we would also need a somewhat detailed description of your general play style, fit used, kd etc. to get any reasonable conclusions out of it.
And don't even bother preprocessing your findings. Raw, quantitative data or GTFO  |
Son Down
SamsClub
35
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:37:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:I am playing nothing but OMS matches and using nothing but one fit and recording what weapon kills me every-time I die. This should put a stop to the "such and such a weapons overpowered" threads.
I will release the results of this epic recording of my deaths once I have 100 OMS games recorded.
Let me spoil it for you....
Run over by 12 year old kid driving a LAV : 25%
Shot by 12 year old kid with Flaylock : 25%
Shot by 12 year old kid with Mass Driver : 25%
Killed by 12 year old kid with grenade : 25%
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
215
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:41:00 -
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Son Down wrote:C Saunders wrote:I am playing nothing but OMS matches and using nothing but one fit and recording what weapon kills me every-time I die. This should put a stop to the "such and such a weapons overpowered" threads.
I will release the results of this epic recording of my deaths once I have 100 OMS games recorded. Let me spoil it for you.... Run over by 12 year old kid driving a LAV : 25% Shot by 12 year old kid with Flaylock : 25% Shot by 12 year old kid with Mass Driver : 25% Killed by 12 year old kid with grenade : 25%
Not really if you know what you're doing...
I hardly ever die to LAVs (because I am situationally aware), hardly ever die to FL/MD (because I used them myself and know how to counter them) and grenades are only really an issue in CQC (as they should be).
I still think I die to ARs the most, but not because they're OP, just because most people seem to use them. All the other weapons are pretty equally spread out except for the plasma cannon because no one seems to use it 
Either way, only CCP has the ability to provide detailed stats...and would have to normalize it based on the number of people using a specific weapon. I'm sure they're doing just that when deciding if a weapon is OP...at least I hope they do instead of basing it on forum whining |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:42:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Selection BiasYour findings, as an individual piece of data, won't have too much significance for anyone but players of roughly your fit, skill and play style. If you're a tank driver you will find that snipers barely exist. I if you're a sniper you would conclude that people apparently don't use any weapon at all. Gathering this data is a neat idea but we would also need a somewhat detailed description of your general play style, fit used, kd etc. to get any reasonable conclusions out of it. And don't even bother preprocessing your findings. Raw, quantitative data or GTFO Edit: To everyone who has done such experiments: Merge your datapoints and try to get as wide and balanced a range of play styles you can find. The more we get, the more usefull this information gets.
Also recording my Kills, assists and WP. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A.
General Tso's Alliance
280
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:44:00 -
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I'm very interested to see the results. :) |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
660
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:49:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:[...]Either way, only CCP has the ability to provide detailed stats...and would have to normalize it based on the number of people using a specific weapon. I'm sure they're doing just that when deciding if a weapon is OP...at least I hope they do instead of basing it on forum whining This. CCP have all the data they need to monitor weapon usage and relative power. All they need the forums for is the context of these numbers as it is not always clear why a certain weapon feels OP.
While an interesting experiment, the numbers generated by OP and others pale in term of quantity and thus significance if the circumstances are not outlayed in detail. Any conclusion could be invalid by simply having the wrong sample, over analizing of noise or, at worst, pure chance.
Be cautious when dealing with statistics.
Edit:C Saunders wrote:
Also recording my Kills, assists and WP.
Very good. Knowing the fit used and how you generally play (leroy jenkins or tactical player etc.) would also be helpfull. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:02:00 -
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I've currently only recorded 10 OMS games and died a total of 39 times and not one of those deaths is from a flaylock. |
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
216
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:16:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:I've currently only recorded 10 OMS games and died a total of 39 times and not one of those deaths is from a flaylock.
Yeah, noticed a disconnect between the forums and actual gameplay too. A lot of the weapons ppl whine about don't seem to be an issue for me at all. I die to the FL maybe once a game if that...and most of those times it's because I was a donkey and either moved in a predictable way, ran into the flaylocker at CQC, simply didn't pay attention or didn't think about taking cover after the first splash damage.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
660
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:24:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:I've currently only recorded 10 OMS games and died a total of 39 times and not one of those deaths is from a flaylock. n=39 is way too low to draw any conclusions. The next protostomp that nets you 5 flaylock deaths throws the implicated assessment right into the bin.
You need more rounds, especially with that average death count.
And i agree with your observation but that's besides the point. I'm not trying to prove anything. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5005
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:25:00 -
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Chocolate is more popular than vanilla
Nerf chocolate. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
218
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:29:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:C Saunders wrote:I've currently only recorded 10 OMS games and died a total of 39 times and not one of those deaths is from a flaylock. n=39 is way too low to draw any conclusions. The next protostomp that nets you 5 flaylock deaths throws the implicated assessment right into the bin. You need more rounds, especially with that average death count. And i agree with your observation but that's besides the point. I'm not trying to prove anything.
I take it you're an EVE player too? Only an EVE player would know proper quants and apply it to a video game |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
661
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:32:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:C Saunders wrote:I've currently only recorded 10 OMS games and died a total of 39 times and not one of those deaths is from a flaylock. n=39 is way too low to draw any conclusions. The next protostomp that nets you 5 flaylock deaths throws the implicated assessment right into the bin. You need more rounds, especially with that average death count. And i agree with your observation but that's besides the point. I'm not trying to prove anything. I take it you're an EVE player too? Only an EVE player would know proper quants and apply it to a video game Hush! |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1405
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:34:00 -
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Your results are already bias
You are only playing 1 mode
What about domination/skirmish/PC even |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries
Immortals of War
2222
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:38:00 -
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Son Down wrote:C Saunders wrote:I am playing nothing but OMS matches and using nothing but one fit and recording what weapon kills me every-time I die. This should put a stop to the "such and such a weapons overpowered" threads.
I will release the results of this epic recording of my deaths once I have 100 OMS games recorded. Let me spoil it for you.... Run over by 12 year old kid driving a LAV : 25% Shot by 12 year old kid with Flaylock : 25% Shot by 12 year old kid with Mass Driver : 25% Killed by 12 year old kid with grenade : 25%
I take it you're some 8 year old kid who doesn't know how to deal with things as simple as LAVs and explosives, so you say they're overpowered while you run around as a caldari logi with an AR. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5006
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:40:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I take it you're some 8 year old kid who doesn't know how to deal with things as simple as LAVs and explosives, so you say they're overpowered while you run around as a caldari logi with an AR.
LAVs are pathetically easy to use, make no sense in relation to physics, and are way too durable for a LIGHT attack vehicle.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
661
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:42:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I take it you're some 8 year old kid who doesn't know how to deal with things as simple as LAVs and explosives, so you say they're overpowered while you run around as a caldari logi with an AR. Not to derail this fine thread, but: Is anyone else of the opinion that the new strafing speed reduced deaths by murdertaxi to nearly nil? Heavy users? |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
218
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I take it you're some 8 year old kid who doesn't know how to deal with things as simple as LAVs and explosives, so you say they're overpowered while you run around as a caldari logi with an AR. LAVs are pathetically easy to use, make no sense in relation to physics, and are way too durable for a LIGHT attack vehicle.
I die to an LAV maybe once every 3 games, so no, they're not OP.
Question for you: In real life, when you cross the street...do you watch left/right before crossing? I suggest you start doing that in Dust too |
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
103
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:57:00 -
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Son Down wrote:C Saunders wrote:I am playing nothing but OMS matches and using nothing but one fit and recording what weapon kills me every-time I die. This should put a stop to the "such and such a weapons overpowered" threads.
I will release the results of this epic recording of my deaths once I have 100 OMS games recorded. Let me spoil it for you.... Run over by 12 year old kid driving a LAV : 25% Shot by 12 year old kid with Flaylock : 25% Shot by 12 year old kid with Mass Driver : 25% Killed by 12 year old kid with grenade : 25%
Killed by a 6 year old kid with an assault rifle : 99.5% |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
98
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:01:00 -
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Too many other variables are not addressed when people do this. What maps are you playing? What weapon are you using? And many more.
Only one game mode limits your results greatly. |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
326
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:09:00 -
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How were your crushed by an HAV? They need max speed to kill people. |
Nack Jicholson
DUST University
Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:32:00 -
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Son Down wrote:
Run over by 12 year old kid driving a LAV : 25%
Shot by 12 year old kid with Flaylock : 25%
Shot by 12 year old kid with Mass Driver : 25%
Killed by 12 year old kid with grenade : 25%
I don't think this is the game for you. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3272
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:45:00 -
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It is better to just look at the kill feed and jot down your notes from that. You get much more information that way. |
Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
316
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:22:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Too many other variables are not addressed when people do this. What maps are you playing? What weapon are you using? And many more.
Only one game mode limits your results greatly.
Lol.
So this guy complains that there are too many variables, but then when it comes to one of the variables that the OP did take into account, he says it limits his results. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
225
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:23:00 -
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Croned wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:Too many other variables are not addressed when people do this. What maps are you playing? What weapon are you using? And many more.
Only one game mode limits your results greatly. Lol. So this guy complains that there are too many variables, but then when it comes to one of the variables that the OP did take into account, he says it limits his results.
Of course it does...you can't just limit your sample size to a single game mode  |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It is better to just look at the kill feed and jot down your notes from that. You get much more information that way.
All I said was currently I have not been killed by a flaylock.
I plan to play 100 OMS games. (Not biased, playing different modes would make the results unreliable)
Once I have played 100 OMS games I will make an new thread with a detailed post with the following statistics:
Fit used, with a list of all thats on the suit. (I will never change suit during the 100 games)
The price of the fit used.
My Total skill list ( I will not invest in any new skills during this)
Kills/Assists/Deaths/Wp results for each of those 100 games.
My total Victorys and Losses
My lifetime kd, wp, kills and deaths.
A list of what killed me and how many times it did so.
Numbers showing what weapon group killed me the most/least.
Also note:
No communication with my team,
No squad,
No killing with any vehicle.
So all in all a very detailed post with reliable results. |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:31:00 -
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Also, my fit is a MD so you will get to see a tally of my suicides. :P |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries
Immortals of War
2226
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:13:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Also, my fit is a MD so you will get to see a tally of my suicides. :P
People should also remember that the better your mass driver is, the easier it is to suicide. |
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