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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:13:00 -
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let me begin by saying im a huge supporter of EVE and DUST. im a huge fan of both games and I understand the latter is a work in progress. ive been playing dust since January 23 and im having tons of fun which is only magnified by the wonderful corp im a part of. I know CCP is working diligently and tirelessly on both of their games and I give them big ups for their hard work.
now, that out of the way, I must say this mordus challenge is the worst thing to happen to dust yet. this game already has enough issues and this challenge has thrown in an un needed element of chaos. until this challenge began I was all about team work, now I don't give a crap, I just want to meet my quota for the challenge, which means im doing all things I hate about the other stupid blueberries like shooting my teammates to scare them off a hack so I can hack, or blow up the installation before they hack it, or letting raspberries hack so I can hack it back...to make sure I get kill assists I only shoot red dots a few times and then leave them to the blue dots hoping they finish them off... I don't care if we win... I just care if I get an assist... just 1 will do...wtf CCP! DIDNT YOU SEE THIS COMING?
I admit I didn't but im not a super genius dev...maybe a challenge based on winning and teamwork would have been a better fit for this game?
I was appalled when CCP told us we would need to track our progress with pen and paper... REALLY! granted im not a computer programmer but is the coding involved so complex that a counter couldn't have been incorporated for this challenge? was it laziness a brain fart or classic CCP trolling? which ever it was in and of itself it wouldn't be a big deal but you guys have been extremely abusive in your dealings with the dust community.
I will not go on a rant pointing out all the ways in which you have been abusive I will just point to your forums and your ominous silence on them... your community is EFFING PISSED!
yeah yeah its a game I know... look I have a wife and a kid and better things to do but as ive stated im a huge fan and this is how I unwind... and when the way I come to unwind makes me more stressed out well its disheartening and that's just a real efing shame....so I implore you CCP figure out how to respect your community and engage it in a meaningful way or GTFO... cause I sure will.....
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1903
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:17:00 -
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Teamwork generally doesn't happen much anyway in random matches. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:20:00 -
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Yeah, the Kills/Assists arent so bad but Destroying Installations is lame.
Lord knows they only give you 5/6 in Manus Peak. Ive lost an absurd amount of Aurum fielding tanks and Codebreakers for this event and Im not even getting anything to benefit my specialization (Gallente Assault).
But 100 Falchions sure would be a lot of ISK when they open up player trading in 2036.
Installation destruction only makes sense when theyre replenishable. Just saying |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:20:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Teamwork generally doesn't happen much anyway in random matches.
not the point
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Julius Vindice
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
156
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:44:00 -
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The worst part of all this is that we can't actually keep track of all our progress in any way. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
268
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Yeah, the Kills/Assists arent so bad but Destroying Installations is lame.
Lord knows they only give you 5/6 in Manus Peak. Ive lost an absurd amount of Aurum fielding tanks and Codebreakers for this event and Im not even getting anything to benefit my specialization (Gallente Assault).
But 100 Falchions sure would be a lot of ISK when they open up player trading in 2036.
Installation destruction only makes sense when theyre replenishable. Just saying
You know nobody would buy them unless they became useful, right? |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Teamwork generally doesn't happen much anyway in random matches.
utter nonsense, you've never seen a squad work together in a public match? If your talking about the whole side working together however... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4998
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:52:00 -
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Mordu doesn't give a crap about your teamwork, he's looking if YOU, the merc, are worth your weight in biomass.
He doesn't give a crap what it does to your battles, he just wants to see you dance. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:00:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mordu doesn't give a crap about your teamwork, he's looking if YOU, the merc, are worth your weight in biomass.
He doesn't give a crap what it does to your battles, he just wants to see you dance.
Lol had to give a like for saying Mordu wants to see you dance, However sir Muryia Mordu himself was a military man, quite the genius infact. It would definitely stand better and make more sense that he would value military professionalism over personal valor at any given point. If you read his lore, he wasn't one for ninja actions but dealing with guerrilla tactics putting punks down then going on to be a major power block in the universe. **** like that doesn't get done mano a mano.
Leaving lore aside, the missed opertunity and the looking at the crap gear on offer, I gotta ask, is anybody other than snipers (for the dropships lol) taking this event seriously? Like at all? |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
236
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:16:00 -
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I am tracking my progress, but I can't say that I'm doing anything different than usual to obtain the objectives. I'm doing fine on kills, assists and hacks since those are all part of my playstyle. No way I will get installation destructions though.... no way. I got 1 so far.... I'm not motivated to do anything different. |
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
346
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:24:00 -
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The only one i having problems with is the Installation destruction.. But i playing "Ambush OMS" for that one, getting one or two installations in that game mode is not that hard. The other things like; Hacking, kills, and assist, i just getting them by playing the game as i normally do. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3272
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:42:00 -
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Sorry buddy, but you are asking for too much if you expected any teamwork in a pub match full of blueberries. I can't tell any difference between now and then with this challenge and I still see people afking in the mountains or on the MCC. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
141
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Sorry buddy, but you are asking for too much if you expected any teamwork in a pub match full of blueberries. I can't tell any difference between now and then with this challenge and I still see people afking in the mountains or on the MCC.
well I can tell a difference within myself and I cant imagine im the only one... I know there are always gonna be non team players...but I was one before this challenge... now im a real jerk... and I cant be the only one who has altered their play style for this stupid challenge.... if I am then I guess that makes me a real POS.... |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
141
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:57:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Sorry buddy, but you are asking for too much if you expected any teamwork in a pub match full of blueberries. I can't tell any difference between now and then with this challenge and I still see people afking in the mountains or on the MCC. well I can tell a difference within myself and I cant imagine im the only one... I know there are always gonna be non team players...but I was one before this challenge... now im a real jerk... and I cant be the only one who has altered their play style for this stupid challenge.... if I am then I guess that makes me a real POS....
let me also say that this is not the only point of my post its also the way CCP has been toward us... am I alone in feeling they have been less than respectful and communicative? |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
194
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:11:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:...maybe a challenge based on winning and teamwork would have been a better fit for this game? I can see a challenge were you are to squad up, maybe for OBs I don't know, It can encourage more squads in play. Maybe a challenge that will finish a game once all points are hacked and defended, so as to not be counter-hacked by enemy.
On a worrisome note: My squad came across people "boosting" they were hacking an LAV back and forth, Not sure how many of them, or Lavs there were. Sc*mbags. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:30:00 -
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Not providing a counter is a pain. 'Would it really be so hard to implement?' is the question on everyone's lips. They're obviously tracking this stuff for this event to even work, wouldn't have thought it'd be too difficult to have the trackers displaying somewhere for each player. One possible reason is they don't have a 'Display X since XX/XX/20XX' function on them and didn't want to go to the trouble of implementing that on a deadline just for Mordu.
Also highlights the sillyness of the hacking system rewards. Resecured a node? Enjoy your no WP and lack of credit for hacking. Let it run through and compromise your MCC's health a little? Brilliant work, soldier! Have 100 WPs and credit for hacking! |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:37:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:let me begin by saying im a huge supporter of EVE and DUST. im a huge fan of both games and I understand the latter is a work in progress. ive been playing dust since January 23 and im having tons of fun which is only magnified by the wonderful corp im a part of. I know CCP is working diligently and tirelessly on both of their games and I give them big ups for their hard work.
now, that out of the way, I must say this mordus challenge is the worst thing to happen to dust yet. this game already has enough issues and this challenge has thrown in an un needed element of chaos. until this challenge began I was all about team work, now I don't give a crap, I just want to meet my quota for the challenge, which means im doing all things I hate about the other stupid blueberries like shooting my teammates to scare them off a hack so I can hack, or blow up the installation before they hack it, or letting raspberries hack so I can hack it back...to make sure I get kill assists I only shoot red dots a few times and then leave them to the blue dots hoping they finish them off... I don't care if we win... I just care if I get an assist... just 1 will do...wtf CCP! DIDNT YOU SEE THIS COMING?
I admit I didn't but im not a super genius dev...maybe a challenge based on winning and teamwork would have been a better fit for this game?
I was appalled when CCP told us we would need to track our progress with pen and paper... REALLY! granted im not a computer programmer but is the coding involved so complex that a counter couldn't have been incorporated for this challenge? was it laziness a brain fart or classic CCP trolling? which ever it was in and of itself it wouldn't be a big deal but you guys have been extremely abusive in your dealings with the dust community.
I will not go on a rant pointing out all the ways in which you have been abusive I will just point to your forums and your ominous silence on them... your community is EFFING PISSED!
yeah yeah its a game I know... look I have a wife and a kid and better things to do but as ive stated im a huge fan and this is how I unwind... and when the way I come to unwind makes me more stressed out well its disheartening and that's just a real efing shame....so I implore you CCP figure out how to respect your community and engage it in a meaningful way or GTFO... cause I sure will.....
Seriously?
These are optional achievements.
The fact that you are behaving like an arse to get them has nothing to do with CCP and everything to do with you.
The way I have approached this is:
I don't drive a Tank, I haven't specc'd too much into AV yet. So not going for the Destruction Objective.
Kills/Assists No problem
Hacking, not going to get that one. I only ever Re-Hack if noone else is around to do it (because I don't run in a Squad. I think running around taking WP from a Squad who might get an OB is a bit ******).
So, unless I missed the CCP team when they came round to force me to behave like a ****. I have participated in this event and await my prize.
My life will not end if I don't get them all. I feel no self-imposed pressure to get them all. I'm playing DUST514 because I actually enjoy it (mostly, Draw Distance and Rendering blah, blah...).
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
144
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:48:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:let me begin by saying im a huge supporter of EVE and DUST. im a huge fan of both games and I understand the latter is a work in progress. ive been playing dust since January 23 and im having tons of fun which is only magnified by the wonderful corp im a part of. I know CCP is working diligently and tirelessly on both of their games and I give them big ups for their hard work.
now, that out of the way, I must say this mordus challenge is the worst thing to happen to dust yet. this game already has enough issues and this challenge has thrown in an un needed element of chaos. until this challenge began I was all about team work, now I don't give a crap, I just want to meet my quota for the challenge, which means im doing all things I hate about the other stupid blueberries like shooting my teammates to scare them off a hack so I can hack, or blow up the installation before they hack it, or letting raspberries hack so I can hack it back...to make sure I get kill assists I only shoot red dots a few times and then leave them to the blue dots hoping they finish them off... I don't care if we win... I just care if I get an assist... just 1 will do...wtf CCP! DIDNT YOU SEE THIS COMING?
I admit I didn't but im not a super genius dev...maybe a challenge based on winning and teamwork would have been a better fit for this game?
I was appalled when CCP told us we would need to track our progress with pen and paper... REALLY! granted im not a computer programmer but is the coding involved so complex that a counter couldn't have been incorporated for this challenge? was it laziness a brain fart or classic CCP trolling? which ever it was in and of itself it wouldn't be a big deal but you guys have been extremely abusive in your dealings with the dust community.
I will not go on a rant pointing out all the ways in which you have been abusive I will just point to your forums and your ominous silence on them... your community is EFFING PISSED!
yeah yeah its a game I know... look I have a wife and a kid and better things to do but as ive stated im a huge fan and this is how I unwind... and when the way I come to unwind makes me more stressed out well its disheartening and that's just a real efing shame....so I implore you CCP figure out how to respect your community and engage it in a meaningful way or GTFO... cause I sure will.....
Seriously? These are optional achievements. The fact that you are behaving like an arse to get them has nothing to do with CCP and everything to do with you. The way I have approached this is: I don't drive a Tank, I haven't specc'd too much into AV yet. So not going for the Destruction Objective. Kills/Assists No problem Hacking, not going to get that one. I only ever Re-Hack if noone else is around to do it (because I don't run in a Squad. I think running around taking WP from a Squad who might get an OB is a bit ******). So, unless I missed the CCP team when they came round to force me to behave like a ****. I have participated in this event and await my prize. My life will not end if I don't get them all. I feel no self-imposed pressure to get them all. I'm playing DUST514 because I actually enjoy it (mostly, Draw Distance and Rendering blah, blah...).
sigh... you missed my point... but that's ok... *pats head* |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
875
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:50:00 -
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To be fair keep offering feedback on events this a marked improvementt over the last one so l hope the one after this will be much improved |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1906
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:51:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Teamwork generally doesn't happen much anyway in random matches. utter nonsense, you've never seen a squad work together in a public match? If your talking about the whole side working together however...
I mean the whole side. If your organised squad is dropping teamwork in favour of going after installations then you need to get a better squad. |
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
299
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:24:00 -
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I'll hit the 100x Installations probably about the time I hit 100x Kills. (There are 2-6 on the enemy's side every skirmish) |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:36:00 -
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At least the hacking achievement might encourage some afk MCC campers to come down and get their hands dirty.
The installation-kills one sucks though, 1) few will get it, 2) promotes anti-team behaviour. They should have made it vehicle kills or something to train people to use AV. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
144
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:38:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:I'll hit the 100x Installations probably about the time I hit 100x Kills. (There are 2-6 on the enemy's side every skirmish)
completing the challenge isn't the issue its the poor way in which it was implemented like no counter, the poor behavior it encourages like I stated in my original post the vagueness of the rules like with whether neutral installations will count or not and the challenge aside , the fact they don't communicate with us in a productive way.... |
Duck Drahko
DUST University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:55:00 -
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I think the biggest issue is that the largest reward is given for completing everything. As a new player I was planning to just go for the objectives and rewards that suit my playing style, and that would have been no problem at all. But then people pointed out to me the value of those tanks. I checked and... Holy duck. Who knows how this will become useful in the future.
There is no way I could accomplish the goals by playing normally, but there is a way... So I am now halfway through (under the condition that neutral installations do count after all), and if I can do that with 1.5 mil SP in militia gear (solo), then everyone can. But it's not pretty, and Seymor does have a point.
Then again it's just one week, and personally I still think that more lasting damage is being done by the worshipping of general stats like the KDR. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
54
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:19:00 -
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+1
CCP, at what point did you guys change the rules for the vehicle hacks? When were you planning to announce that critical piece of information? Do my vehicle hacks from before the rule change count towards the 100 successful hacks? How is it that you guys lacked the foresight to see such boosing behavior would be heavily employed for this event? |
Nack Jicholson
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:30:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:sigh... you missed my point... but that's ok... *pats head*
He/she may have missed some of your point, and as is so often the case on this forum the wordage and overall tone is way too confrontational and argumenative, but he/she is replying to what you said about the challenges affect on gameplay.
You just have to let this challenge slide a little bit, just ignore it and keep playing. It's not like any of the rewards are real game changers or anything anyway. That's the route I've taken with it. I'm new to the game, so i'm still engaged by the standard run of the mill stuff...maybe to players that have been around longer the expectations were higher for this. |
Cinder Integ
Internal Error. League of Infamy
38
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:33:00 -
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OP, this event rocked.
It can be completed in militia gear.
It can be completed in a short amount of time, (10 to 14 hours) by many counts... and there's no need to mention how long the typical gamer plays each week.
The objectives for this event, are tasks most players would have accomplished even if the event didn't take place.
Installations, mainly turrets, can be killed so many different ways... with another turret, remote explosives, FREE militia LAV with missile launcher on the back... and so on.
Many people are having fun, tracking there kills on objectives for the event, stop raining on our parades. Or better yet, just stop *****ing.
-Cinder |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:46:00 -
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Cinder Integ wrote:OP, this event rocked.
It can be completed in militia gear.
It can be completed in a short amount of time, (10 to 14 hours) by many counts... and there's no need to mention how long the typical gamer plays each week.
The objectives for this event, are tasks most players would have accomplished even if the event didn't take place.
Installations, mainly turrets, can be killed so many different ways... with another turret, remote explosives, FREE militia LAV with missile launcher on the back... and so on.
Many people are having fun, tracking there kills on objectives for the event, stop raining on our parades. Or better yet, just stop *****ing.
-Cinder
let me ask you something... are you sure you finished? did you count vehicle hacks? cause they counted at first... they don't now... did you count neutral turrets? cause they may or may not count... were you paying attention to the demeanor of the rest of your team and the other team? can you speak for all of their "fun"? how will you feel if at the end of the event on the kills and assists rewards the 2 most easily tracked you don't get your rewards cause you flubbed by 1 or 2 for lack of a counter?.... and when an issue in this game arises ... if one already hasn't.... that sends you QQing to the forms.... and CCP remains ominously silent on it how much will you moan?
why is it when someone speaks up just trying to make an experience in a game we love better, do people like you feel the need to gape their anus and pour down the brown fluid, instead of getting behind them for the sake of the community?
is it because you seek attention?
or is it that your a fanboi?
a troll?
or just an A hole?
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AKCP Scion Lex
LEX Investments
33
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:59:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Cinder Integ wrote:OP, this event rocked.
It can be completed in militia gear.
It can be completed in a short amount of time, (10 to 14 hours) by many counts... and there's no need to mention how long the typical gamer plays each week.
The objectives for this event, are tasks most players would have accomplished even if the event didn't take place.
Installations, mainly turrets, can be killed so many different ways... with another turret, remote explosives, FREE militia LAV with missile launcher on the back... and so on.
Many people are having fun, tracking there kills on objectives for the event, stop raining on our parades. Or better yet, just stop *****ing.
-Cinder let me ask you something... are you sure you finished? did you count vehicle hacks? cause they counted at first... they don't now... did you count neutral turrets? cause they may or may not count... were you paying attention to the demeanor of the rest of your team and the other team? can you speak for all of their "fun"? how will you feel if at the end of the event on the kills and assists rewards the 2 most easily tracked you don't get your rewards cause you flubbed by 1 or 2 for lack of a counter?.... and when an issue in this game arises ... if one already hasn't.... that sends you QQing to the forms.... and CCP remains ominously silent on it how much will you moan? why is it when someone speaks up just trying to make an experience in a game we love better, do people like you feel the need to gape their anus and pour down the brown fluid, instead of getting behind them for the sake of the community? is it because you seek attention? or is it that your a fanboi? a troll? or just an A hole?
Its becaue FPS's in the past have required no real investment of time or effort. They are throw away games you grind until the next iteration comes out. As a result your rep as a player has meant nothing really. So you get people who just log on to take out thier frustrations and need for attention on other players. We have it in eve as well, but to a far lesser degree. OFC there is no such thing as random fleets either.
CCP is trying to make a disposable concept a long lasting one with dust and I applaud the effort. The problem is the player base doesnt really get that. Give it a year or so and the ADHD twits will move on to the next brainless, no effort troll grind. Only then will this game really develop. Untill then we just have to ignore them and CCP will have to continue to sift through thier crap as well. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:00:00 -
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Nack Jicholson wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:sigh... you missed my point... but that's ok... *pats head* He/she may have missed some of your point, and as is so often the case on this forum the wordage and overall tone is way too confrontational and argumenative, but he/she is replying to what you said about the challenges affect on gameplay. You just have to let this challenge slide a little bit, just ignore it and keep playing. It's not like any of the rewards are real game changers or anything anyway. That's the route I've taken with it. I'm new to the game, so i'm still engaged by the standard run of the mill stuff...maybe to players that have been around longer the expectations were higher for this.
my concern is more the vagueness with which CCP has handled the event in sending mixed messages and not providing a counter or a challenge that makes us want to work together... this is a team oriented game despite the naysayers... their over all silence in general and their seeming lack of respect for the community. if your new I get it no big deal... if your a fanboi I get it no big deal... but im a gamer I like games and I like this game I think CCP is on to something really special here... I want to be in it for the long haul... ive been let down by many games in the past that had the same potential and failed because of design flaws and community suicide and I don't want that to happen here....
am I being dramatic? idk...
let the community hang me if I am or confirm my concerns if im not.... |
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