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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:00:00 -
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It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1103
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:02:00 -
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Of all the things in the game that are problematic you fixate on fluff like that? |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Of all the things in the game that are problematic you fixate on fluff like that?
Nope I'm not even saying its a problem, just making an observation. I usually post about problems and things to get fixed so I felt like changing things up. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
266
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:06:00 -
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Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle.
Peace, Godin |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:10:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin
You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact. |
Son Down
SamsClub
32
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:12:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle.
VIRGIN ALERT!
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:18:00 -
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Son Down wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. VIRGIN ALERT!
Even Stephen Hawkins has kids, just saying. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:22:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact.
So then thenby your logic, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers are not explosive. Theyre just explosives released from a projectile casing.
Logic. |
Son Down
SamsClub
32
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:22:00 -
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CCP can't negate LAV(s) running people over, let alone quantum physics. Enough said. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:27:00 -
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Son Down wrote:CCP can't negate LAV(s) running people over, let alone quantum physics. Enough said.
Not even quantum physics. Like, high school elemental science. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:30:00 -
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Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:35:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws.
Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
268
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:39:00 -
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I'm drunk and tired, so I don't feel like taking a science quiz stfo |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons.
I was referring to wave-particle duality, string theory, and the theory of everything etc.
and don't forget that pesky higgs boson! |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact. So then thenby your logic, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers are not explosive. Theyre just explosives released from a projectile casing. Logic.
Ive already made a post on why Swarm Launchers should be rebranded and set to kinetic damage accordingly. Flaylocks however should be taken out the game completely, its not got explosive dmg type its got troll dmg type. To the OP however, the assault rifle in Dust is more or less a direct rip from the plasma rifle from Aliens fanfare, and since James Cameron is utterly infallible your point is moot sir.
Also, CCP do not work with Newtonian physics, never had. Therefore in the eve universe (such as where Dust takes place) they can bend scientific explanations to suit whatever their needs are. Bit **** I know but there you have it. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:54:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact. So then thenby your logic, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers are not explosive. Theyre just explosives released from a projectile casing. Logic.
They are rocket launchers and grenade launchers, putting the focus on the projectile not then weapon itself :p |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
658
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:23:00 -
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"Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets"
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Blaster
"Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of antimatter atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired."
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Antimatter_Charge_S
And while we can all agree that most technology in games is techno babble nonsense of the highest order dust and eve are at least somewhat plausible in their depiction of hybrid weapons.
Oh and plasma is not a gas. Just as gas is not a solid. It's a discrete state of matter that happens to behave not quite unsimilar to gas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29 |
Appia Vibbia
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
140
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:15:00 -
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Gallente Shotgun = Blaster
Caldari AR= Railgun
These are Hybrid weapons. They are both a projectile and an energy weapon.
*sigh* WarRavens. . . |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
196
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:45:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle.
The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target.
I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
748
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:51:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours.
Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
748
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:54:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Gallente Shotgun = Blaster
Caldari AR= Railgun
These are Hybrid weapons. They are both a projectile and an energy weapon.
*sigh* WarRavens. . .
A rail gun uses magnetism to fire a projectile. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
196
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:55:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt.
It is NOT according to me, it is according to the developers and the universe THEY ARE CREATING.
STOP LOOKING FOR AN ARGUMENT!!!!!
Just get over the fact that in this instance, YOU ARE WRONG AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS UNIVERSE> |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
660
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:59:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt. Have a read of #17 for CCPs description.
I'm not arguing that this has anything to do with science or real world physics/technology but it's atleast a coherent and plausible explanation for the term "hybrid".
And no one knows how firing magnetically compressed plasma bolts could possibly sound so i it could very well sound like shooting bullets. The signature sound of most guns is a sonic crack due to speed and some kind of "bam". I guess any kind of weapon that doesn't fire photons will sound exactly like that. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
749
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:59:00 -
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Wasn't looking for an argument, also I say according to you because you posted it your source is the devs. And I am talking about our universe and how the weapon does not fit its description in our universe. In EVE the devs could make physics inside out because it is theirs. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
227
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:25:00 -
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Son Down wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. VIRGIN ALERT!
Are you really giving people shaming tactics crap about 'nerds'.... on a gaming forum?
Talk about completely blind. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
103
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:53:00 -
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Son Down wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. VIRGIN ALERT! Go back to your stupid wife or girlfriend....we dont need you.. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1685
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:59:00 -
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The gallente assault rifle is not a projectile weapon. Why? Very simple cause you dont see empty rounds getting thrown out on the right side like with the minmatar SMG. Another thing is you only put the new magazine in and the gun is ready to fire without doing the final part of reloading where the round is getting loaded into the firing chamber. |
Nack Jicholson
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:21:00 -
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Son Down wrote:CCP can't negate LAV(s) running people over, let alone quantum physics. Enough said.
People are always going to get run over in this game. I think it would be best for you if you let go of the hope that they're going to negate it. |
Henchmen21
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:46:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons. I was referring to wave-particle duality, string theory, and the theory of everything etc. and don't forget that pesky higgs boson!
Thought they detected the Higgs not long ago? Either way I was very glad to see this conversation though. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
750
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:42:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:The gallente assault rifle is not a projectile weapon. Why? Very simple cause you dont see empty rounds getting thrown out on the right side like with the minmatar SMG. Another thing is you only put the new magazine in and the gun is ready to fire without doing the final part of reloading where the round is getting loaded into the firing chamber.
That's a good observation! Now if only it didnt sound and look like a projectile weapon |
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