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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:00:00 -
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It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1103
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:02:00 -
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Of all the things in the game that are problematic you fixate on fluff like that? |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Of all the things in the game that are problematic you fixate on fluff like that?
Nope I'm not even saying its a problem, just making an observation. I usually post about problems and things to get fixed so I felt like changing things up. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
266
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:06:00 -
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Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle.
Peace, Godin |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:10:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin
You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact. |
Son Down
SamsClub
32
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:12:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle.
VIRGIN ALERT!
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:18:00 -
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Son Down wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. VIRGIN ALERT!
Even Stephen Hawkins has kids, just saying. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:22:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact.
So then thenby your logic, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers are not explosive. Theyre just explosives released from a projectile casing.
Logic. |
Son Down
SamsClub
32
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:22:00 -
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CCP can't negate LAV(s) running people over, let alone quantum physics. Enough said. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:27:00 -
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Son Down wrote:CCP can't negate LAV(s) running people over, let alone quantum physics. Enough said.
Not even quantum physics. Like, high school elemental science. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:30:00 -
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Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:35:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws.
Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons. |
Godin Thekiller
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
268
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:39:00 -
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I'm drunk and tired, so I don't feel like taking a science quiz stfo |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons.
I was referring to wave-particle duality, string theory, and the theory of everything etc.
and don't forget that pesky higgs boson! |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
176
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact. So then thenby your logic, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers are not explosive. Theyre just explosives released from a projectile casing. Logic.
Ive already made a post on why Swarm Launchers should be rebranded and set to kinetic damage accordingly. Flaylocks however should be taken out the game completely, its not got explosive dmg type its got troll dmg type. To the OP however, the assault rifle in Dust is more or less a direct rip from the plasma rifle from Aliens fanfare, and since James Cameron is utterly infallible your point is moot sir.
Also, CCP do not work with Newtonian physics, never had. Therefore in the eve universe (such as where Dust takes place) they can bend scientific explanations to suit whatever their needs are. Bit **** I know but there you have it. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
745
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:54:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Plasma rounds are alloys that are put in a plasma form, then put around a shell if I remember correctly. So yes, Plasma Rifle. Peace, Godin You can put plasma within a casing, and since it is a gas super compress it. But that means that its still a projectile weapon but the projectile itself releases plasma on impact. So then thenby your logic, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers are not explosive. Theyre just explosives released from a projectile casing. Logic.
They are rocket launchers and grenade launchers, putting the focus on the projectile not then weapon itself :p |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
658
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:23:00 -
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"Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets"
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Blaster
"Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of antimatter atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired."
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Antimatter_Charge_S
And while we can all agree that most technology in games is techno babble nonsense of the highest order dust and eve are at least somewhat plausible in their depiction of hybrid weapons.
Oh and plasma is not a gas. Just as gas is not a solid. It's a discrete state of matter that happens to behave not quite unsimilar to gas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29 |
Appia Vibbia
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
140
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:15:00 -
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Gallente Shotgun = Blaster
Caldari AR= Railgun
These are Hybrid weapons. They are both a projectile and an energy weapon.
*sigh* WarRavens. . . |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
196
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:45:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle.
The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target.
I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
748
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:51:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours.
Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
748
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:54:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Gallente Shotgun = Blaster
Caldari AR= Railgun
These are Hybrid weapons. They are both a projectile and an energy weapon.
*sigh* WarRavens. . .
A rail gun uses magnetism to fire a projectile. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
196
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:55:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt.
It is NOT according to me, it is according to the developers and the universe THEY ARE CREATING.
STOP LOOKING FOR AN ARGUMENT!!!!!
Just get over the fact that in this instance, YOU ARE WRONG AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS UNIVERSE> |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
660
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:59:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt. Have a read of #17 for CCPs description.
I'm not arguing that this has anything to do with science or real world physics/technology but it's atleast a coherent and plausible explanation for the term "hybrid".
And no one knows how firing magnetically compressed plasma bolts could possibly sound so i it could very well sound like shooting bullets. The signature sound of most guns is a sonic crack due to speed and some kind of "bam". I guess any kind of weapon that doesn't fire photons will sound exactly like that. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
749
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:59:00 -
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Wasn't looking for an argument, also I say according to you because you posted it your source is the devs. And I am talking about our universe and how the weapon does not fit its description in our universe. In EVE the devs could make physics inside out because it is theirs. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
227
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:25:00 -
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Son Down wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. VIRGIN ALERT!
Are you really giving people shaming tactics crap about 'nerds'.... on a gaming forum?
Talk about completely blind. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
103
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:53:00 -
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Son Down wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. VIRGIN ALERT! Go back to your stupid wife or girlfriend....we dont need you.. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1685
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Posted - 2013.07.13 15:59:00 -
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The gallente assault rifle is not a projectile weapon. Why? Very simple cause you dont see empty rounds getting thrown out on the right side like with the minmatar SMG. Another thing is you only put the new magazine in and the gun is ready to fire without doing the final part of reloading where the round is getting loaded into the firing chamber. |
Nack Jicholson
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:21:00 -
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Son Down wrote:CCP can't negate LAV(s) running people over, let alone quantum physics. Enough said.
People are always going to get run over in this game. I think it would be best for you if you let go of the hope that they're going to negate it. |
Henchmen21
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:46:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons. I was referring to wave-particle duality, string theory, and the theory of everything etc. and don't forget that pesky higgs boson!
Thought they detected the Higgs not long ago? Either way I was very glad to see this conversation though. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
750
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:42:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:The gallente assault rifle is not a projectile weapon. Why? Very simple cause you dont see empty rounds getting thrown out on the right side like with the minmatar SMG. Another thing is you only put the new magazine in and the gun is ready to fire without doing the final part of reloading where the round is getting loaded into the firing chamber.
That's a good observation! Now if only it didnt sound and look like a projectile weapon |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
750
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:44:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Quantum physics is studying physics at the macroscopic level, like photons, and hell Quantum physics is more of a question mark than actual theory and laws. Quite the contrary, theres been a lot proven with Quantum Physics through the use of particle accelerators. The only 'question mark' is Theoretical PHysics like Quantum Chromodynamics which is basically how quarks work with gauge bosons. I was referring to wave-particle duality, string theory, and the theory of everything etc. and don't forget that pesky higgs boson! Thought they detected the Higgs not long ago? Either way I was very glad to see this conversation though.
A particle that acts like the higgs bosom was detected in 2007 but we are unsure if it is. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
584
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Posted - 2013.07.13 17:58:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:The dark cloud wrote:The gallente assault rifle is not a projectile weapon. Why? Very simple cause you dont see empty rounds getting thrown out on the right side like with the minmatar SMG. Another thing is you only put the new magazine in and the gun is ready to fire without doing the final part of reloading where the round is getting loaded into the firing chamber. That's a good observation! Now if only it didnt sound and look like a projectile weapon
would it be better if it sounded like the lasers from Star Wars?
those riffles shoot plasma, I know this because every time the bolt or whatever it is hits something, I least a burning hole in whatever it hits. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
667
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Posted - 2013.07.13 18:46:00 -
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"The Higgs boson or Higgs particle is an elementary particle initially theorised in 1964,[6][7] and tentatively confirmed to exist on 14 March 2013"
Physics+wikipedia=ezmode
There has been some controversy regarding the accompanying paper. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6027
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:06:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle.
You don't know the Gallente that well it seems.
Notably plasma weapons is relatively new to the to the arsenal, before we had blasters but they're more akin to a slag cannon than anything and they don't perform as well in an atmospheric environment versus the better contained bottling of the plasma weapons offer. Reasons we probably don't use them in space combat is the slow speed they travel at or lack of damage for energy/material input or the tech hasn't been upscaled yet.
First off the gun draws its power from the suits they're attached to hence the power grid requirements and the plasma rifle does have a cyclotron similar to the shotgun, and plasma cannon but its far smaller. The barrel for the plasma rifle would make it more of a gallente plasma weapon and not a traditional blaster weapon. Most of this power is used to maintain a magnetic bottling field.
Charges for the weapon on the other hand are age OLD tech well perfected. Dissimilar to bullet which feature a separate propellant and warhead the entire charge is the warhead which has to rely on the weapon to provide the means of propulsion. So charges for the plasma rifle are likely very specifically designed for the plasma rifle itself, that it would likely be the high potential energy gas and the reactionary means to achieve a plasma state once influenced by the cyclotron, the shell is most likely decomposed in the process to help form the magnetic bubble which is then propelled down range containing the ball of plasma until an significant exterior material forces the bubble to collapse into it resulting in an injection of plasma towards inside the target hit.
Evidence of this is that the plasma rifle does not eject shell casing whereas the SMG does.
Blaster tech is a bit different and the plasma shotgun is far closer to the function but basically charges are feed into the already running cytron and shot out with little consideration other than having enough magnetics to guide the shot out the barrel. Charges used are generally have a metal core when shot out to act as the anchor and precursor for the energies developed by the charge detonation. The reason why it may not be for infantry sized weapons is maybe the power requirements to keeping the cyclotron running constantly is beyond most suit's reactors capabilities.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:55:00 -
[35] - Quote
BL4CKST4R wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt.
The only thing close to a magnetically wrapped ball of plasma I know about is the Sun and it works OK. On that note, please tell me what a ball of plasma in a magnetic ball looks and sounds like as it is fired. |
Aythadis Smith
The Generals EoN.
70
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Posted - 2013.07.13 20:55:00 -
[36] - Quote
SCIENCE IN DUST! |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1286
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:17:00 -
[37] - Quote
It certainly does "sound" like a pretty ordinary rifle, which is going to stick out a lot more when they add the combat rifle (a regular rifle). They might want to make it fire a different color and change up the sound a bit so it doesn't sound like regular gunpowder rifles in most games. |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
37
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Posted - 2013.07.14 05:44:00 -
[38] - Quote
The charges in the magazine of the plasma rifle are lead with a specialized fuse. Once ignited in the firing sequence, the fuse converts the lead to plasma, the plasma is processed into a compressed bolt inside the cyclotron, where it is encased in a magnetic 'bottle', and then expelled at high speed through the electromagnetic 'barrel' of the weapon.
They function very similarly to blasters in EVE, except that the ammunition is solid and must be converted into plasma within the weapon, while blaster turrets use (quite large) canisters of pre-packaged plasma. |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
197
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Posted - 2013.07.15 04:53:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt.
Once again this is a fantasy based game coming from the collective imaginations of human beings. THEY decided to attach the sound effects that you hear and on a second part, what makes you think that lighting should be some how associated with lightning? Lightning is the visual manifestation of the over abundance of electrons that produce the image that we see and denote as arches.
How much science have you taken and how much to do you really remember? Or are you attaching yourself to the "wisdom" that is wikipedia? |
Kazeno Rannaa
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.15 04:56:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:The charges in the magazine of the plasma rifle are lead with a specialized fuse. Once ignited in the firing sequence, the fuse converts the lead to plasma, the plasma is processed into a compressed bolt inside the cyclotron, where it is encased in a magnetic 'bottle', and then expelled at high speed through the electromagnetic 'barrel' of the weapon.
They function very similarly to blasters in EVE, except that the ammunition is solid and must be converted into plasma within the weapon, while blaster turrets use (quite large) canisters of pre-packaged plasma.
Where the hell did you get you informations from??
Granted I recognize a few portions of it from posted EVE lore, but the fact of a fuse attached to a lead round that is being turned into plasma, that seems to have come from thin air or the darkest recesses of someone's colon. |
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Jeremiah ambromot
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
37
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:19:00 -
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Just wanted to point out that plasma is not gas it is a separate state of matter. Also if it is hybrid could it not have a highly charged, therefore magnetic liquid or solid center, and be surrounded by the plasma. The plasma could be so strongly attracted to the charge that within a given range it would remain around the projectile until it cools or disperses. Therefor making it a projectile and plasma bullet, hybrid. |
Jeremiah ambromot
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
37
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:23:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:It's always bothered me that the Assault rifles show no sign of having anything to do with Plasma. Currently the Assault rifle is a typical magazine fed projectile weapon. Plasma is created by the ionization of gases and thus has no actual shape or volume, although you can manipulate plasma by a magnetic field to change its to be like a beam sort of. Due to how plasma is heated gas it means that once fired it will disperse quickly in the atmosphere. We could also use plasma and apply it to a projectile by giving the projectile itself a magnetic field and thus plasma will follow, but we would still need a way of generating said plasma. So currently our "Plasma rifle" shows no sign of any relation to firing plasma and/or manipulating plasma in any way, it also shoots projectiles thus our Assault rifle is not a Plasma rifle. The funny thing is, is that the Gallente AR is a plasma based weapon. Where did you get the idea that it is a projectile based weapon? Every DEV blog that has come out only has reaffirmed the reality (within the DUST of course, and the universe that is EVE and that is 25,000 years ahead of our current timeline) that the Shotgun, the plasma launcher, the AR were all plasma based weapons utilizing a magnetic field to induce the projection of the plasma from the weapon to the target. I would suggest to take a few moments and reread what it is that you think are your sources that cradle this assumption of yours. Then why does the assault rifle sound like its shooting bullets, some slight ballistics, and doesn't shoot "lighting". According to you it should be firing plasma, which it isnt. The only thing close to a magnetically wrapped ball of plasma I know about is the Sun and it works OK. On that note, please tell me what a ball of plasma in a magnetic ball looks and sounds like as it is fired.
If it is fired through the use of magnets it would only sound like a projectile moving through air. You would also hear the plasma cooling and dispersing. But the actual shot itself would be mostly quiet unless you heard the electromagnets charging. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:27:00 -
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The sound of the gun is probably the coolant getting forced around though the gun. The change of material states suddenly from metal to plasma and the vacume the magnetic bottle launched causes. |
Billy7789
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The sound of the gun is probably the coolant getting forced around though the gun. The change of material states suddenly from metal to plasma and the vacume the magnetic bottle launched causes.
Seriously? Wow im actually laughing right now.
No wonder you are the #1 fanboi. They got you. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
807
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:43:00 -
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Only a moron tries to argue the "reality" of a sci-fi FPS and how it is unrealistic... |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
2030
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:16:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Only a moron tries to argue the "reality" of a sci-fi FPS and how it is unrealistic...
****, even the devs said they dont operate on Newtonian Physics so any argument of reality, even scientifically accurate, doesnt apply in Eve Online. Plasma is made of rainbows and crystalline structures and Projectile weapons are gas-operated with cartridges filled with black powder and angel dust. ----> Also nuclear warheads on all of the rounds <------ True Eve Lore there. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:46:00 -
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It's not about being scientifically right its the ability to suspend the ability of belief for a short bit to allow a player to immerse themselves into the reality of the universe not their own.
Most games do this without having to bore a person to death with out of game fiction generally. |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:32:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:The charges in the magazine of the plasma rifle are lead with a specialized fuse. Once ignited in the firing sequence, the fuse converts the lead to plasma, the plasma is processed into a compressed bolt inside the cyclotron, where it is encased in a magnetic 'bottle', and then expelled at high speed through the electromagnetic 'barrel' of the weapon.
They function very similarly to blasters in EVE, except that the ammunition is solid and must be converted into plasma within the weapon, while blaster turrets use (quite large) canisters of pre-packaged plasma. Where the hell did you get you informations from?? Granted I recognize a few portions of it from posted EVE lore, but the fact of a fuse attached to a lead round that is being turned into plasma, that seems to have come from thin air or the darkest recesses of someone's colon.
Plasma Rifle
An automatic charge-firing rifle. Charge munitions are typically composed of lead and use a cyclotronic firing mechanism. All variants project magnetic containment bottles up to their targets for the plasma to travel in. Because of this, plasma rifles do not have long ranges, make inadequate sniping rifles, and are extremely vulnerable to EMP countermeasures. These are power-intensive weapons. First generation rifles required separate battery and ammunition clips to operate; second generation rifles recycle the energy used in the solid-state-to-plasma conversion to power the magnetic bottle projection.
The actual bit about the fuse, I read somewhere. Books, short stories, i couldn't tell you exactly where, since I've read pretty much every bit of lore-oriented material CCP has released.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
82
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:03:00 -
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AR is a hybrid weapon. Which means just like EVE it is based on railgun technology. Which means energized rounds. I think it's considered plasma.
You have longe range railguns and short range blasters. I guess atm the sniper rifle is the railgun and the AR would be a blaster. |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
90
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:05:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:"Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles.
I just wanted to point out that "subatomic particles" is a little redundant. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6252
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:32:00 -
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Jeremiah ambromot wrote:Just wanted to point out that plasma is not gas it is a separate state of matter. Also if it is hybrid could it not have a highly charged, therefore magnetic liquid or solid center, and be surrounded by the plasma. The plasma could be so strongly attracted to the charge that within a given range it would remain around the projectile until it cools or disperses. Therefor making it a projectile and plasma bullet, hybrid.
Gas ammunition for plasma weaponry is common considering its the lowest containable state of the matter/energy state without requiring more energy to contain it than its potential.
Similar to how we use solid black powder, we're not storing the explosion in its energized state but in a state that's easily readable to the energy level required later.
Also the Plasma Cannon operates using solely the gas medium based on the sound the charge tube makes when reloading. |
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