So one guy showed you what it is all about? Tell me.. What Flaylock was he using and what level was he on in term of skills? Was this player a top player or not? How do you read those things? Wishful thinking?

You obviously haven't come across a full Squad with Proto suits, and core Flaylock's...because if you did, you won't be saying this.

We tend to spam them with flux and locus grenades. From decent cover of course.

Did you just based your statement on 1 game and 1 person?

Faced md and flaylock multiple times like everyone else. In squad and solo. It was nice to have the one on to make a comparison instead of jumping to the conclusion that they are OP. A squad of any single weapon will quickly make it OP.

Faced md and flaylock multiple times like everyone else. In squad and solo. It was nice to have the one on to make a comparison instead of jumping to the conclusion that they are OP. A squad of any single weapon will quickly make it OP.

I know they feel OP and I know that many will continue to complain.

But his morning I went one on one with a md/flaylock in Oceana server. When the timer ran out I was 11 and 8. In my assault suit.
He taught me very quickly how to retreat and I waited for his reload. Most weapons will take any suit out in 4 seconds if you shoot straight.

So complain if you like by all means.

Me

Not so much anymore.

@grimmarch

I know they feel OP and I know that many will continue to complain.

But his morning I went one on one with a md/flaylock in Oceana server. When the timer ran out I was 11 and 8. In my assault suit.
He taught me very quickly how to retreat and I waited for his reload. Most weapons will take any suit out in 4 seconds if you shoot straight.

So complain if you like by all means.

Me

Not so much anymore.

@grimmarch

So many variables that are left out in this argument. The fittings both you were using, the relative skill of both players, the specific map. I mean come on man! How does a weapon "feel OP" without 'being' OP??? That's a contradiction in itself. ugh.... GG son, hardly anyone who responds is gonna agree with you on this post. And before you go "well that wasn't helpful" ill explain why its OP.

This gun 2-3 shots almost every suit in game with the exception of heavy suits and some proto suits if they have about 700+ HP which is absurd in itself. The problem is that its splash damage is just TOO high. It does more splash damage then most if not all missile turrets and mass drivers. Guns that are, like the flaylock, specifically meant for explosions, but despite being More then twice the size does half as much damage. Reduce the splash damage to 100 HP or 150 HP and boom! the problems fixed! you still have a gun that can do great damage if you land the shots, and can still work decent against armor if you don't land the shots.

Solution 2: Make it so that instead of a three round clip it has a 1 or 2 round clip.
Standard FP: 150 damage 1 round clip
Advanced FP: 200 damage 1 round clip
Proto FP: 225 damage 2 round clip (coupled with proficiency can bring it up to some good damage making the proto version worth while)

That's all it needs..... nothing crazy just nerfs to either clip size, or splash damage. Splash damage is the easiest fix of the two, but its tricky cuz it could break the gun. Clip size, in my opinion would be best for it because it alters the way you as the user has to play with it.

OP your findings are awesome, now do the same against 8 of them at once...
I was just playing my alt, >3 million SP, and the amount of damage they do to the lesser equipped is dumb as ****.

CCP shouldn't be looking to nerf the flaylock, they need to release a statement reading:
Dear players,
We have very little knowledge about tactical FPS, we also have very little knowledge about competitive FPS, the flaylock was a terrible idea, that was poorly executed. As a result of our playbases skill levels dropping severly, we have been forced to remove the weapon.
This will upset A LOT of players who rely on pack spamming these weapons, our only advice would be to aim straight.
Thank you for your understanding.
CCP Special Ed. dept

either that it needs as SERIOUSLY massive reduction to its shield damage.

Mass Drivers are fine but flaylocks are OP. The flaylock would be fine if the splash damage was reduced or its mag size was reduced to 1 instead of 3.


CPU/PG requirements need to go up.

Flaylock is not OP, it's a pain in the ass.
Mass Driver is not OP, it's a pain in the ass.
Fused Grenades are not OP, they're a pain in the ass.

Learn the difference between OP and pain in the ass.

I'm really getting tired of all those people whining about PROTO guns hurting their non-proto suits...so yeah, totally agree

It's hurting the game, **** the pixels, try being a newer player, then quickly realizing this game does not come down to skill, it comes down to spamming weapons that require nothing but a close shot.

A new player using INFERIOR fittings SHOULD be easier to kill with a PROTO weapon. You can't just balance proto weapons based on stats of non-proto and noob suits. Otherwise there would be ZERO incentive to use a proto gun in the first place.

Just like a Taranis will slaughter an Incubus in EVE....

You obviously haven't come across a full Squad with Proto suits, and core Flaylock's...because if you did, you won't be saying this.

apples and oranges.

there was a time a taranis would **** even cruisers, guess what happened?

Yea that's right, they FIXED it.

Try out a gallente protologi against explosions, talk to you later.

apples and oranges.

there was a time a taranis would **** even cruisers, guess what happened?

Yea that's right, they FIXED it.

Ah, happy days

There was a time when I could sit in a Falcon and jam everything from 180k+, guess what happened?

They broke my Falcon

Ah, happy days

There was a time when I could sit in a Falcon and jam everything from 180k+, guess what happened?

They broke my Falcon

Yeah...they fixed it because there was no real counter to it...which isn't the case when it comes to the FL

Dude am in favour of getting FP to **** out of the game completely am just saying the above poster made a ****** analogy by using taranis and incursus

Try out a Caldari shield suit against my scrambler pistol...yeah...talk later

I don't really see how that defends your "talk PRO suits and not non-PRO suits when you talk about PRO weapons"-statement, now try to make more sense.

I made that analogy, and it was a good one...and no, removing the FP is a ridiculous idea

You were whining about the FL/MD explosive damage against armor tankers....which is ridiculous, because shield tankers face the exact same issues against my scrambler pistol. Think before posting

If you're Caldari and think the flaylock is fine, you should try a gallente suit.
See how long you last.
A suit with 4x complex armor plates, which is a terrible fit btw because you have no recharge and almost no PG left, survives THREE FLAYLOCK SHOTS.
THREE.

I'm whining now?

I think you need to use your pistol better.

Now give me some numbers with damage per shot for both weapons and shield/armor-tankers, talk to you later and thanks for admitting in a passive way that your statement didn't make sense.

lol its a horrible analogy that doesn't make sense, plus removing something that is broke isn't as ridiculous as letting a problem persist. moron.

Are you telling me you have more trouble taking out armor tankers with a scrambler pistol?

BTW I'm still waiting on my numbers.

My mommy also failed to stop me from "whining" so I'm afraid you have to, but I guess it's not that hard since it's already out there.

Are you trying to divert the attention now?

Dumb enough to backup the argument that MD and/or flaylocks aren't OP by making a bunch of nonsense posts...ooh wait!

Now show us them numbers!

Most weapons will take any suit out in 4 seconds if you shoot straight down?

Aaaah my dear Cat Merc, could you also educate our readers and share your wissom about the accuracy needed for -let us say- a flaylock versus scrambler pistol.

I'm afraid so :(, I really wish it was that easy to do so I could just paste or refer people to it in a argument! Please help me out before this thread and with it the original message end up into the archives and forgotten by those that pollute it with nonsense.

Basicly because I'm not trying to defend the title of this thread and you're the one that fails to do this simple thing, which actually says more than your namecalling. Therefore it's in my favor to keep this silly act up.

But I guess you could already tell that by the manner of how I was responding. So what's it going to be?

You also haven't talked about the accuracy needed to kill someone with a flaylock VS scrambler pistol (I guess that's why you have trouble taking out armor tankers).