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Tai Karr
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:14:00 -
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We all know about the failures of the madman the Caldari supported as their leader, and I just have to say that it all has to do with Faith. If Heth had known who controlled these events, the outcomes of the vast galaxy we live in, if he'd asked God for guidance he never would've failed and faltered like he did.
Let Heth be a reminder to you all, remember who is almighty, who controls every outcome and decision that is made and who can bring take you down from power just as quickly as bring you up. That is all.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
554
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:25:00 -
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Tai Karr wrote:We all know about the failures of the madman the Caldari supported as their leader, and I just have to say that it all has to do with Faith. If Heth had known who controlled these events, the outcomes of the vast galaxy we live in, if he'd asked God for guidance he never would've failed and faltered like he did.
Let Heth be a reminder to you all, remember who is almighty, who controls every outcome and decision that is made and who can bring take you down from power just as quickly as bring you up. That is all.
In many ways I feel this is the truth. Yet in others I can only pity our Caldari allies who were swayed and misled by someone unfit to command their loyalties.
Perhaps in time they will come to understand this too, yet for now they are as they should be, following their customs, and aiding the sons and daughters of God as valuable friends. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:29:00 -
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Hinmonaatsa, kunniotatsa baka.Tyjinta ukeirui uoka hinmononetsat, Amarr tyuui... Ukeirui suskdei muutssan.
Untrue, disrespectful fool. No one believes your propaganda, Amarr scum... To think those who have faith are any different inside.... |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
64
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:31:00 -
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Tai Karr wrote:We all know about the failures of the madman the Caldari supported as their leader, and I just have to say that it all has to do with Faith. If Heth had known who controlled these events, the outcomes of the vast galaxy we live in, if he'd asked God for guidance he never would've failed and faltered like he did.
Let Heth be a reminder to you all, remember who is almighty, who controls every outcome and decision that is made and who can bring take you down from power just as quickly as bring you up. That is all.
Respectfully, templar, these words might be best used in a gathering of your fellows.
The Caldari-- your Empire's allies, please forgive me for reminding you-- have their own faith, and while the former executor may have many faults, there is no reason to believe that a lack of devotion to the Way of the Winds is among them.
It may be, however, that his pride was too great for him to hear anything the Winds might have otherwise taught him. Still, it seems likely that he asked, whether or not he was prepared to listen. |
Kiro Justice
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
365
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:37:00 -
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Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:41:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Tai Karr wrote:We all know about the failures of the madman the Caldari supported as their leader, and I just have to say that it all has to do with Faith. If Heth had known who controlled these events, the outcomes of the vast galaxy we live in, if he'd asked God for guidance he never would've failed and faltered like he did.
Let Heth be a reminder to you all, remember who is almighty, who controls every outcome and decision that is made and who can bring take you down from power just as quickly as bring you up. That is all. Respectfully, templar, these words might be best used in a gathering of your fellows. The Caldari-- your Empire's allies, please forgive me for reminding you-- have their own faith, and while the former executor may have many faults, there is no reason to believe that a lack of devotion to the Way of the Winds is among them. It may be, however, that his pride was too great for him to hear anything the Winds might have otherwise taught him. Still, it seems likely that he asked, whether or not he was prepared to listen. Ryeon-haani, make no mistake about it, Heth heard the calling of the Winds. He felt every spirit at his back assuring him that he was breaking his honor to the state and the trust of us all. He had his warnings, and he continued despite this. And now those same Winds have blown him off his perch for his dishonor and set him to rest down among the filth, like an animal. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
554
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:42:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Hinmonaatsa, kunniotatsa baka.Tyjinta ukeirui uoka hinmononetsat, Amarr tyuui... Ukeirui suskdei muutssan.
Untrue, disrespectful fool. No one believes your propaganda, Amarr scum... To think those who have faith are any different inside.... Your anger is unwarranted child of the Caldari.
Heth was not fit to command your loyalties, he was not good for your state, you will adapt and you will conquer your weakness as you have always done. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
19
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:52:00 -
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Ukeiruhaki jaijii, I am no friend of Heth. Your justification for his evil, however, is flawed. If it compels you to aid us in locating the gaaira though, feel free to believe what you will. Just don't turn up your nose at our way of life without understanding our heritage and culture. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:53:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. If he fell because he stood against Gallenteans who couldn't leave well enough alone on Caldari Prime, then why does the State stand? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
64
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Your anger is unwarranted child of the Caldari.
Heth was not fit to command your loyalties, he was not good for your state, you will adapt and you will conquer your weakness as you have always done.
Respectfully, templar, Fae-haan's anger is not over the quality of the former executor. It is over the notion that Heth-hnolku should have heeded the god of a foreign power.
The Caldari do not accept interference from outsiders in their society. Even we Achura, though clients of the Caldari, are not permitted to live among them unless we convert wholly to Caldari beliefs and way of life. The Gallente sought to change them-- seek to change them still. And that, the Caldari will neither forget nor, probably, forgive.
Your colleague has casually replicated that mistake, suggesting that the Caldari should be ruled by the Amarrian god. While I can understand these ideas, and even see how they are inevitable, it would be politic to keep them to yourselves.
The Caldari are your allies, and it is an alliance under some strain by its very nature. Your culture and faith, forgive me, are aggressive by their nature (aggressively benevolent, perhaps, from your own perspective, but aggressive even so).
If you wish the State's support, you would be wise not to remind the Caldari of that more than you must. |
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Kiro Justice
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
365
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:58:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. If he fell because he stood against Gallenteans who couldn't leave well enough alone on Caldari Prime, then why does the State stand?
Because too people of your State didn't want war. The war was the desire of your psychotic dictator, not your people, as such he fell alone. This time. |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
106
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:58:00 -
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(( effing triple Alts)) |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
106
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:00:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. If he fell because he stood against Gallenteans who couldn't leave well enough alone on Caldari Prime, then why does the State stand? Because the people of your State didn't want war. The war was the desire of your psychotic dictator, not your people, as such he fell alone. This time. Your notions of you enemies are skewed somewhat is this the propaganda the Federation is feeding its people now?
Respectfully. Why do you take such and aggressive stance against us if you do not desire war? There are many amongst the Liberalist blocs that desire peace between the empires....why do you stir the pot? |
Kiro Justice
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
365
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:05:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. If he fell because he stood against Gallenteans who couldn't leave well enough alone on Caldari Prime, then why does the State stand? Because the people of your State didn't want war. The war was the desire of your psychotic dictator, not your people, as such he fell alone. This time. Your notions of you enemies are skewed somewhat is this the propaganda the Federation is feeding its people now? Respectfully. Why do you take such and aggressive stance against us if you do not desire war? There are many amongst the Liberalist blocs that desire peace between the empires....why do you stir the pot?
Why you ask? Remember Caldari Prime? The fire and smoke as a downed Titan ruined the landscape. It took lives! Some clone, some not so...Replaceable!
Do you remember?! I do! I was there! (Tee-hee, been waiting to use that.) If the Caldari state fell today it wouldn't make up for the fighting that was caused by Heth and his supporters. Heth deserves more anguish but...I'm not in authority to give it to him. For now his fall from power will have to do. |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
106
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:13:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. If he fell because he stood against Gallenteans who couldn't leave well enough alone on Caldari Prime, then why does the State stand? Because the people of your State didn't want war. The war was the desire of your psychotic dictator, not your people, as such he fell alone. This time. Your notions of you enemies are skewed somewhat is this the propaganda the Federation is feeding its people now? Respectfully. Why do you take such and aggressive stance against us if you do not desire war? There are many amongst the Liberalist blocs that desire peace between the empires....why do you stir the pot? Why you ask? Remember Caldari Prime? The fire and smoke as a downed Titan ruined the landscape. It took lives! Some clone, some not so...Replaceable! Do you remember?! I do! I was there! (Tee-hee, been waiting to use that.) If the Caldari state fell today it wouldn't make up for the fighting that was caused by Heth and his supporters. Heth deserves more anguish but...I'm not in authority to give it to him. For now his fall from power will have to do. Which empire shot that titan down? and whose captain of said titan didn't fire the doomday weaponry when ordered to and saved many more lives? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
66
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:24:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Why you ask? Remember Caldari Prime? The fire and smoke as a downed Titan ruined the landscape. It took lives! Some clone, some not so...Replaceable!
You seem to value life highly, soldier. Respectfully, it seems as though there is a contradiction between this and, apparently, spoiling for further war.
The Caldari cheered the conquest of Caldari Prime. They may be willing to accept its present demilitarized condition, at least for now, but they were behind Heth-hnolku on the day he took back their home. They most definitely do not love the Federation; the State was literally founded in rebellion against the Federation.
There is a chance, perhaps, with Heth's fall, for the Federation and State to achieve a lasting peace. Might trying to nurture that peace not be a more sensible step, if you detest the costs of war? |
Kiro Justice
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
365
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:32:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote: Which empire shot that titan down? and whose captain of said titan didn't fire the doomday weaponry when ordered to and saved many more lives?
These are both smaller facts that ignore a bigger picture. The battle of Caldari Prime was initiated by The State, none of those situations would've occurred in the first place had the State stayed in their own little block of space.
Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:You seem to value life highly, soldier.
You're right, I do but it seems obvious that to bring down a calculating machine like the Caldari, who care more for numbers, money and...A piece of land than for life...That some blood has to be shed. At least for a time.
Protecting peace by preparing for war, rather poetic, that. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
67
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Posted - 2013.07.12 05:10:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:You seem to value life highly, soldier. You're right, I do but it seems obvious that to bring down a calculating machine like the Caldari, who care more for numbers, money and...A piece of land than for life...That some blood has to be shed. At least for a time. Protecting peace by preparing for war, rather poetic, that.
There is a difference, respectfully, between preparing for war and beating the drums, soldier. With further respect, you seem to have listened rather too well to Federal propaganda where the Caldari are concerned.
It is rather a long story, soldier, but suffice to say that if your sense of who the Caldari are were correct, my people, the Achura, would not exist. The Caldari megacorporation Sukuuvestaa ("SuVee"), which has been on our world for centuries now, would have indoctrinated us or rendered us extinct and taken our world away. Instead, we are a client people of the State, permitted to live in our own way so long as we maintain our own, separate enclaves. We trade with the SuVee (its marketing division loves our artwork), discuss matters of religion with spiritual leaders across New Eden, including Caldari spiritual leaders (it helps that our faith is considered compatible with the Way of the Winds), and keep to ourselves.
Considering that we were a pre-industrial society when the Caldari found us, it's worked out rather well. |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
106
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Posted - 2013.07.12 05:15:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote: Which empire shot that titan down? and whose captain of said titan didn't fire the doomday weaponry when ordered to and saved many more lives? These are both smaller facts that ignore a bigger picture. The battle of Caldari Prime was initiated by The State, none of those situations would've occurred in the first place had the State stayed in their own little block of space. Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:You seem to value life highly, soldier. You're right, I do but it seems obvious that to bring down a calculating machine like the Caldari, who care more for numbers, money and...A piece of land than for life...That some blood has to be shed. At least for a time. Protecting peace by preparing for war, rather poetic, that.
Do not deceive yourself, the Federation is as cold and calculating as any peoples of new eden. |
Denak Kalamari
BurgezzE.T.F
222
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Posted - 2013.07.12 06:46:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote: Which empire shot that titan down? and whose captain of said titan didn't fire the doomday weaponry when ordered to and saved many more lives? These are both smaller facts that ignore a bigger picture. The battle of Caldari Prime was initiated by The State, none of those situations would've occurred in the first place had the State stayed in their own little block of space. Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:You seem to value life highly, soldier. You're right, I do but it seems obvious that to bring down a calculating machine like the Caldari, who care more for numbers, money and...A piece of land than for life...That some blood has to be shed. At least for a time. Protecting peace by preparing for war, rather poetic, that.
I suppose you haven't heard about the state of the Intaki, or about the origins of the Caldari for that matter? Caldari used to be part of the Gallente Federation, that's why their homeworld Caldari Prime is in Gallente territory. Centuries ago, Caldari wanted to secede from the union, the Federation disagreed and a war began because of it. In the end Caldari won and succesfully seceded from the union, although it had to be done by violence and unnecessary bloodshed that could have been avoided by the Federation. At the time, a few Intaki also showed support towards the Caldari, and they were quickly deported from Federation territory, from this group of Intaki eventually formed Mordu's legion.
And right now, the Intaki homeworld and the systems surrounding it are in lowsec space, completely at the mercy of pirates and militia as CONCORD and the Federal Defense Union has completely abandoned them, leaving many of the Intaki planets low on food, water and other necessary supplies.
And while it's true that the State(or Heth more accurately) initiated the battle for Caldari Prime, the Federation didn't even want to try negotiating a truce or a cease fire, but instead went on a full-on assault to destroy the Shiigeru, risking billions of lives on the ground. It was only because of the actions of Admiral Yanala, a Caldari officer, the Shiigeru didn't fire her doomsday weapon and she tried her best to minimize casualties once she realized that crash landing was inevitable.
But touching on the original topic, Yun summed it up quite well. They have believed in independence ever since they seceded from the Federation, and having a foreign power's god ruling them would be really rude. Beklaand Amarr... |
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Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
526
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Posted - 2013.07.12 08:05:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote: Which empire shot that titan down? and whose captain of said titan didn't fire the doomday weaponry when ordered to and saved many more lives?
yet who orderd the captain of the shiigeru to fire the weapon? |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1086
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Posted - 2013.07.12 08:21:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote: Which empire shot that titan down? and whose captain of said titan didn't fire the doomday weaponry when ordered to and saved many more lives?
yet who orderd the captain of the shiigeru to fire the weapon?
If that is the game you want to play who started this conflict by attempting to deny the Caldari the freedom of action to leave the Federation peacefully while at the same time patting themselves on the back over their self appointed title as champions of liberty |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
64
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Posted - 2013.07.12 08:37:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Hah, I can NOT believe I was once entranced with this garbage. Heth fell because he stood against the federation, should you attempt the same, there is no god that will save you from us, remember this Templar. If he fell because he stood against Gallenteans who couldn't leave well enough alone on Caldari Prime, then why does the State stand? Because the people of your State didn't want war. The war was the desire of your psychotic dictator, not your people, as such he fell alone. This time.
What is the worth of a threat from a Gallente?
The Gallente who killed many of their own on Caldari Prime by having a titan class ship fall on them, the very people they sought to save. To whom is credited the survival of remaining population of Caldari Prime if not Admiral Visera Yanala, the pilot of the very titan your people destroyed. War was not our choice, but it was forced upon us when your people invaded our ancestral home for the 2nd time. And with the disgrace that is Heth gone, we shall be stronger then ever.
No Gallente, your threats hold little weight. It is you who should be glad we desire peace.
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Orin Issa
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:46:00 -
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Each enemy claims a man's fall is due to lack of submission to their hands, never considering that is due to his own lack of submission to himself. The role Heth held as Chief Executor presented a potential source of folly that could collapse the State as we know it. Had Heth acknowledged this earlier, his reputation and more importantly his sanity could have been spared. |
AntanTheBeast
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
137
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:44:00 -
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Death to Heth! |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
19
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:55:00 -
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AntanTheBeast wrote:Death to Heth! You I like. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
593
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Posted - 2013.07.12 20:01:00 -
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Tai Karr wrote:We all know about the failures of the madman the Caldari supported as their leader, and I just have to say that it all has to do with Faith. If Heth had known who controlled these events, the outcomes of the vast galaxy we live in, if he'd asked God for guidance he never would've failed and faltered like he did.
Let Heth be a reminder to you all, remember who is almighty, who controls every outcome and decision that is made and who can bring take you down from power just as quickly as bring you up. That is all.
If you didn't know. |
Kaleena Elianos
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:20:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:And right now, the Intaki homeworld and the systems surrounding it are in lowsec space, completely at the mercy of pirates and militia as CONCORD and the Federal Defense Union has completely abandoned them, leaving many of the Intaki planets low on food, water and other necessary supplies. This is not entirely accurate, soldier, and in this specific instance I believe you are confusing the FDU for the Federation Navy. The Navy is barred entry to the Intaki system by the order of the Intaki Assembly (though they blatantly ignore it).
The Assembly has as much, if not more, responsibility to carry for Intaki and associated systems in the sovereignty being low-security space infested with pirates and brigands. But living conditions planetside in this area are not as bad as you suppose. Yes, there have been specific shortages from time to time, but Intaki is not called New Eden's jewel for nothing.
I'd certainly be interested in discussing this further with you, though perhaps in another venue so as not to detract from the subject at hand. |
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