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Vethosis
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.07.12 02:43:00 -
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So I was in the IRC and heard people having a conversation about aurum respecs, because ccp would want the money. I didn't want respecs to happen, but I would think though that ccp would offer aurum respecs so it can help fund the game. I wouldn't mind aurum respecs, but if it were to happen, put a cooldown on it, so people can't respec whenever they want.
Also i'd would prefer for the dropship and falchion rewards for mordu's challenge that we could choose either 25 eryx or prometheus, and same for the falchion.
Unless CCP plans on allowing players to sell their items, there is no need for this, as most players don't use shield tanks, the only thing people could use is the blasters and the HT mod. |
DickMason
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 17:26:00 -
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No aurum resets possible with all the boosters used.
Boosters aside. It would bankrupt the game, because ALOT of people would do it. |
Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
1178
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Posted - 2013.07.12 17:29:00 -
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DickMason wrote:No aurum resets possible with all the boosters used.
Boosters aside. It would bankrupt the game, because ALOT of people would do it.
Hes talking about Skill Respecs, meaning you pay AUR to get your SP refunded.
I'd prefer if its a free thing to be honest, but it only happens once every six months. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
43
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:18:00 -
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I like the idea of paying a significant amount of ISK in order to remove a single point in a skill. As it stands now, Dusters who consistently play and don't run up a bill in the millions doing public games are sitting on a ton of money which is going to inflate the economy to ridiculous levels if something isn't done to give them a subjective value. The most valuable resource that we all hold are SPs. Gear is easy to get, once you have the SP.
When I say significant, I'm talking 10 million or so. It has to be high enough to retain an objective worth for SPs. I'd suggest higher but I feel going any higher would result in diminishing returns. Ten million might seem a lot but it's raining isk in New Eden for Dusters, unless you are simply doing it wrong, and it has to be something you shouldn't *want* to do but have to do in order to adapt.
I feel that this would add and enhance current tactics and strategies in fighting battles, as corps could help fund their mercs in order to adapt to changing warfare. The potential economic benefits shouldn't be discounted, not to mention the possible player driven loan-business it could open up; First National New Eden Republic Bank at your service! |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3266
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:35:00 -
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I need to go on irc from now on. That way I can be there to counter the respec arguments. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
133
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:35:00 -
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with the way CCP is ignoring the outcry of their community and how horribly vgue they've been with this mordu's challenge event I forsee them having to do AUR respecs for all the QQ ers just to fund this game because they are are beating the loyalty out of their hard core fan base with their actions at the moment... ive been an EVE player for a year and a dust player since January and im starting to get drained.... |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
46
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:38:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:with the way CCP is ignoring the outcry of their community and how horribly vgue they've been with this mordu's challenge event I forsee them having to do AUR respecs for all the QQ ers just to fund this game because they are are beating the loyalty out of their hard core fan base with their actions at the moment... ive been an EVE player for a year and a dust player since January and im starting to get drained....
I don't think they're ignoring players; it's just not a topic that honestly needs addressing right now. They just gave everyone a 3x SP week to take advantage of and you didn't even have to hack x100 things or kill x100 mercs. It was free SP just for being around. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
294
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:03:00 -
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If there is an ISK variant (longer cool down, only for X amount of SP) I can't find a reason to say no.
Should have Boosters available for ISK. (On that thought, it kinda is P2W after all...) |
Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
1182
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:11:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I need to go on irc from now on. That way I can be there to counter the respec arguments.
I always miss out on these discussions in IRC, every time I'm there, there is a discussion about Warframe.
Only thing I've learned is that a new facility is coming in 1.4. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
48
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:16:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:If there is an ISK variant (longer cool down, only for X amount of SP) I can't find a reason to say no.
Should have Boosters available for ISK. (On that thought, it kinda is P2W after all...)
Eh. I wouldn't see anything wrong with that honestly; as the boosters stand now, it's kind of an illusion as to how much of an edge they give an individual. On the surface, they clearly are rewarding you with a fair amount of SP that can accumulate quickly over time if you utilize them frequently. However, the returns are going to diminish because there are a finite amount of skills available and the upgrades that are available through those skills, between advanced and proto, are not so significant that they are going to make a game changing experience. I've taken out Protos just fine with my advanced gear.
It might matter more in PC, however, when there is much 'more' on the line and even a small edge is going to help you win, especially if those players are high-caliber players which is going to be a relatively small portion of the games player base.
This is where I think they are severely hampering their ability to become a viable E-sports, since real life currency can be a deciding factor in upper tier matches
/rant |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
750
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:25:00 -
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What's wrong with Aurum respecs?
Given the difference in playstyle depending on your skills, an Aurum respec would basically be a DLC pack.
6month cooldown upon their use though. Can't have tryhards spamming their use on FOTMs. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
298
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:29:00 -
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Don't expect any respecs ever. They may give out partial ones if they significantly change or remove some content, but that'll be it. If you see them offering aurum respecs, that's a sign that CCP is desperate |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
48
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:56:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:What's wrong with Aurum respecs?
Given the difference in playstyle depending on your skills, an Aurum respec would basically be a DLC pack.
6month cooldown upon their use though. Can't have tryhards spamming them on FOTMs.
Nothing at all, in practice.
However, game quality is important and CCP, I believe, is going to push for the inclusion of Dust 514/Eve into E-sports and this could cause some issues on its viability of being a solid E-sports game.
Dust is going to effect the world of Eve, which means players could use real life money to not only impact Dust but it would also potentially impact Eve, too. The effects there are potentially numerous.
It gives a potential unfair 'advantage' over others who may not be able to afford such a potent mechanic.
Most players don't like it.
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1158
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:50:00 -
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I'm for having a combined ISK/SP cost for a respec with a defined cooldown. Then, if you use AUR, you can reduce the cooldown up to X% -- such as having to wait 4 months instead of 6.
No huge advantage, but a way to earn the ability to take the ISK/SP penalty sooner. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
613
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:55:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:What's wrong with Aurum respecs?
Given the difference in playstyle depending on your skills, an Aurum respec would basically be a DLC pack.
6month cooldown upon their use though. Can't have tryhards spamming them on FOTMs.
I'd vote for 1 per year at the most often. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1114
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:01:00 -
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Vethosis wrote:So I was in the IRC and heard people having a conversation about aurum respecs, because ccp would want the money. I didn't want respecs to happen, but I would think though that ccp would offer aurum respecs so it can help fund the game. I wouldn't mind aurum respecs, but if it were to happen, put a cooldown on it, so people can't respec whenever they want.
Also i'd would prefer for the dropship and falchion rewards for mordu's challenge that we could choose either 25 eryx or prometheus, and same for the falchion.
Unless CCP plans on allowing players to sell their items, there is no need for this, as most players don't use shield tanks, the only thing people could use is the blasters and the HT mod.
Not sure why you think they don't use shield tanks - I see Gunloggi all the times (yes I know they are a different tier than Falchion, but I never see Falchion on the field and don't rembmer the shield equivalent anyway) |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1114
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I need to go on irc from now on. That way I can be there to counter the respec arguments.
Please do Maken. Also, tell them I agree with you (CCP likes me). |
R F Gyro
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
387
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Posted - 2013.07.12 22:07:00 -
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The problem with AUR respecs is that we know CCP have a habit of allowing certain items to become overpowered for a while. In fact, that's probably true of all games and all devs, but we've seen enough of it in Dust.
If they allow AUR respecs then people with lots of RL cash can repeatedly respec into the "fit of the month". People playing on ISK can't.
That would be pay-2-win, IMHO. |
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