Well we could use something from EVE like Damage type-specific Hardeners (high resistance vs explosives, Raiguns, etc)

Also fixing the PG skill would help if it gave the 5% increse to PG per level too.

then tanks would be buffed but AV would remain un-nerfed remeber the AV players usually aren't the ones complaining we have the tools to kill you it's the AR holding masses that wan't you gone because they can't use teamwork to kill you and they won't spec into AV or vehicles to kill you.

Oh
and if you ask for a buff to tanks instead of a nerf to AV then I'll support this thread

AV troll here saying if you think it takes no effort to put down a tank then maybe you should actually try doing it on foot to know exactly what you are talking about

i have avd many tanks i just throw down nano hives or crash an lav into them or even jump on them and just slaughter them

AV troll here saying if you think it takes no effort to put down a tank then maybe you should actually try doing it on foot to know exactly what you are talking about

AV troll here saying if you think it takes no effort to put down a tank then maybe you should actually try doing it on foot to know exactly what you are talking about

**** all wrong with tanks other than the shield vs amour situation

trust ol void and charcharwhatever to be the 1st knobs to comment
blahh, call yourself tankers?

lmfao

I know EXACTLY how easy it is to destroy tanks with AV, I was an AV player during the 1st week of uprising, I would just hide behind a wall, toss down a nanohive and just thrown nade after nade at the nearest HAV, needless to say it only took 3 each time.

so yeah I know how it works for AV players so I can see your point of view, but heres the thing, we don't see you AV players as the enemy, we see the infantry players as the enemy because they are the one that demanded CCP to nerf us every time.

Well the old tanks were overpowered, right now tanks are fine for being standard level equipment
You want to talk about adding in advanced and proto tanks with more pg cpu and slots then Ill agree with you all day, you want to cry standards tanks are too weak and need to be able to stand up to squads of proto AV players to take one down then Ill call you an idiot

funny how I have more support than you do... lol

silly little infantry, you mad because I killed you with my particle cannon?

Well the old tanks were overpowered, right now tanks are fine for being standard level equipment
You want to talk about adding in advanced and proto tanks with more pg cpu and slots then Ill agree with you all day, you want to cry standards tanks are too weak and need to be able to stand up to squads of proto AV players to take one down then Ill call you an idiot

No

I roll in shield tank, which is perfectly fine, other than against amour tanks, which is the real issue, if your dieing from av, then your ******* **** tanker

Dear CCP and fellow tankers. After talking to a few tankers and after playing DUST514 over a year and many other fps shooters as tanks, we are creating a friendly petition for tanks. This is not a rage post and we don't want any crying or complaining or we won 't be taken seriously. Here's is a list of things we currently want, if you agree respond and your name will be put on the list if you want something on the list that you dont see please feel free to say so in a response and we might add it to the list.


First things on the list is- proto-type tanks and pilot dropsuits.

The reason we want proto tanks back and pilot dropsuits back is so that in p/c we can actually be more effective instead of having to take a basic level one tank against proto anti-armor.


2nd thing on the list is to either reduce the effective range of forge guns and swarm launchers or at least increase that tanks blaster effective range. In so many matches especially in p/c due to the fact that dropships don't have a hight ceiling, anti-armor can destroy tanks in a matter of seconds. Sure on some maps theirs cover but on most maps theirs wide open fields and some buildings are high enough to see over cover. In some situations we can get some hits on anti-armor but smart forge guns simply pop in and out and sit at awkward angles where their simply is no cover.

3rd thing we want is to possibly add some better armor resistance. Me personally I am a shield tanker so it takes a little bit more avs to kill me but my friends the armor tankers just have people run up and throw 3 lai dais avs instantly killing them or they'll just throw down a nano hive and throw 6-10 in a matter of seconds.

Now me personally don't want tanks to be OP, but they should be able to decently handle themselves and anti-armor should have to put some effort. I personally have done it and i've had it happen to me but me single handedly can kill a madrugar with 3-4 swarm and a little bit more for gunnlogis with barely any effort. Tanks have a in-effective radar so i can either drive a logi lav and come up behind them and kill them before they know what hit them or do what my friend DOC DDD does and take a proto swarm on a caldari logi suit stack 5 complex damage mods and me personally have seen him drop 1.5 mill dollar tanks in 2 shots. It took 3-4 to drop my gunnlogi with resistance amps.


CCP, the biggest problem is, if you want tanks to be easily destroyed which many fps games do like bf3, at least make them cheap then. If the turret costs were produced and we could actually make profit off tanking, then their would be no problem. But if i have to spend 600-1.5 mill for one tank that can't even last through the match, we're just losing money, not gaining, and that shouldn't happen. In my AR suit that costs 12k or less, even if i die 20 times i still make a profit. This game is about making money not losing money but i know some people use 3-4 proto AR suits a match and lose money, you dont have to call that many you can switch to a less exspensive suit. Tanks dont have that option, we lose one and we're done. Last build i used to be capable of running militia tanks that were 160k so if i died i would make profit. But now that's not possible because 1-2 swarms can destroy them and their more expensive now due to turret costs.

So that's the 5th thing, possibly reducing the price. When the drop ship pilots asked for a buff you instead decreased the price and it was alright. When can tanks get a decreased price?



So far the supporters of the list are:
Tank Gorillarape
Die Quickly
I Keel You
TakeCoverOrDie
FIghter4All
Barbosa07z
Void Echo
CharCharOdell
TheLegend345
Killer-12
Vethosis
Viktor Viktrizi
Tai kar
Oso Tiburon
GodHands9
Exergonic
Please respond to this petition and ask to have your name put on the list. Remember this is not a rage post if you have feedback or requests for this petition please feel free to comment. Thank you.

if your dying from AV then your dying from whats meant to kill you off, you certainly don't seem like a tanker, the attitude says "infantry".

calm your ass down little shield

It's rather easy looking at the issue from both sides tanks need only a few tweaks,
PG skill
Turret Price
and lack of proto stuff
is AV OP? no
are DS'es and Tanks UP? yes

the only time i die from av the past 3 weeks is when i come home drunk,,, you call yourself tanker?

you must be ****

clearly you want i win button as does that char scrub, your the only two constantly crying

the issue with tanks is amour vs shield

in no way am I ever asking for god mode or a win button, I want balance and reasonable price for my fittings. armor vs shield is a problem at the moment, but not the biggest problem, any tanker can see that the real problem is the lack of support we have when fighting AV (im not hating on the AV guys, im stating a fact), we don't have advanced or prototype HAVs and therefore nothing to make balance or adjust to balance.

I like the fact that I can be killed, it makes me devise clever strategies and more tactics for myself to survive and win, Iv never asked for a win button or god mode before.

I want balance only.

No disrespect to tankers but... You can blame the LAV pricks for the huge amount of players that specced into AV. If they werent so annoying people wouldnt use such high AV. If they do give tanks BUFFS and make them cheap every panzy in the game will be using them and the matches will be flooded with tanks. Then you will risk your tanks being nerfed REALLY hard.

I know half the guys on that list and i feel for you but I will not agree.

Theres **** all wrong with tank Vs av

learn to move out the ******* way , its as simple as that

your making serious tankers look bad with all your crying, every ******* day, there you are, bitching about crap, i go lone wolf, no team support and do just fine, i've been tanking since upriseing, what does that say about you?! the self defined don of tanks? lmao

get over yourself youpussy

since when have I ever proclaimed myself to be "The don of tanks"? iv been saying that since iv been a tank driver since I started playing this game, I know a hell of a lot more than most tank drivers especially you, only the tank vets are the ones that can say they are the experts and we are the experts. iv been playing since the E3 chapter back in closed beta which was a year ago, youv been tanking since uprising? HA I have you beat by a year already.

I do move my **** around, I don't stay still in one spot, I don in fact move around, your completely ignorant.

Sounds like you've been blowing up ****** pilots then but that is always fun, especially jumping on top of them and watching them freak out trying to shake you off

Seriously though all tank drivers, if someone has jumped on top of you then you are doing it wrong

Theres **** all wrong with tank Vs av

learn to move out the ******* way , its as simple as that

your making serious tankers look bad with all your crying, every ******* day, there you are, bitching about crap, i go lone wolf, no team support and do just fine, i've been tanking since upriseing, what does that say about you?! the self defined don of tanks? lmao

get over yourself youpussy

AV is fine, its amour vs shield that needs a look into

tanks have changed, get over it, i moved from AR user to tank driver as aiming ******* blows, adapt or die etc

and again you and that charcu.nt clearly want i win button

as again theres **** all wrong with tanks, i as new tank driver can go 20-0 ******* well easy, unless maddy comes and fucks up my day

so what the **** are you crying about? that you cant go 50-0?

again get over yourself

AV is fine, its amour vs shield that needs a look into

Nvm this proved to me you're just a pub tanker

Good day /tiphat

Have you ever even been in a real PC match??

I'll wait....

no

clearly, as stated, i play lone wolf on my own, and do just ******* fine in my tank, i love it , much more fun than ar ever fecking was

other than friendly fire and a bit more competiveness, i dont see what your point is, if a whole squad dedicates themselfs to taking out tank, then you better have a whole squad to take out AV'ers, its as simple as that

same as public match, if the team's shite. then a tanks not really gonna help them, no matter how many infantry you kill

again as new tank driver i have no problems or issues against av

so why you so called "vets" bithcing is beyond me, it just looks like you want that I-WIN button

and i've been here since closed beta also..... means nothing, scrub

you said youv been tanking since uprising. iv been tanking since I 1st played this game in the E3 build

tanking since closed beta makes more experience than someone that just barely started during this build. mho

Not doing you any fecking favours tho is it, again, if a new tanker cant adapt, why cant you?

oh wait, you cant go 50-0 any more and actully have to think about your tanking

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After reading some comments this will also be added, the biggest thing that ruined things for tanks is the Logi Lav's. After everyone saw how affective they were everyone started specing into Av. All the time my buddy goes 20 & 0 in his logi lav and when me and him squad up together and im getting hammered i literally ask him to take the forge gun shots for me since he can survive them better than i can. LLAV > Tank should not happen i shouldn't feel safer in a llav than my tank i know the point of the llav is to sit in the middle of the battlefield and heal people but their is really no one who does that it's all just murder taxis and it's to late to reverse how many people speced into anti-armor due to llavs so the only way to fix is buff the tanks
slightly reduce the buff on logi lavs

iv never had a problem with thinking, im a big thinker so I have no trouble with it, apparently you do since you cant seem to understand what this thread is about or what we are talking about, and your lack of experience makes you a big liability to us.

as iv stated before I don't care about how many kills I get in a match, I just care about making a profit.

since you keep bringing it up, you must care about your kd ratio, because I certainly don't, I stopped caring a while back

no

clearly, as stated, i play lone wolf on my own, and do just ******* fine in my tank, i love it , much more fun than ar ever fecking was

other than friendly fire and a bit more competiveness, i dont see what your point is, if a whole squad dedicates themselfs to taking out tank, then you better have a whole squad to take out AV'ers, its as simple as that

same as public match, if the team's shite. then a tanks not really gonna help them, no matter how many infantry you kill

again as new tank driver i have no problems or issues against av

so why you so called "vets" bithcing is beyond me, it just looks like you want that I-WIN button

and i've been here since closed beta also..... means nothing, scrub

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After reading some comments this will also be added, the biggest thing that ruined things for tanks is the Logi Lav's. After everyone saw how affective they were everyone started specing into Av. All the time my buddy goes 20 & 0 in his logi lav and when me and him squad up together and im getting hammered i literally ask him to take the forge gun shots for me since he can survive them better than i can. LLAV > Tank should not happen i shouldn't feel safer in a llav than my tank i know the point of the llav is to sit in the middle of the battlefield and heal people but their is really no one who does that it's all just murder taxis and it's to late to reverse how many people speced into anti-armor due to llavs so the only way to fix is buff the tanks
slightly reduce the buff on logi lavs

not doing too well now are you

when did i mention kd other than to make my point about you

you cant make a profit?

well, what does that say about you, as im making profit just fine , yep newb tanker making profit not sat in redline lmao, bet you hate that

getgoodscrub

and
learntoavoidavyoufuckingnoob

Well no **** you wouldn't know the difference if you've never played a PC match against people other then your everyday blue berry

When your b*ll sack drops and you get into a PC match then you can come back on here ranting about how crappy all us "vets" are... And seeing as i don't know you and i've never seen you... I'm assuming you're on your alt being a forum war hero

If you have been here since closed beta you would understand tankers true pain of having to join a match were 30+ people are in proto everything and you're stuck in a Std Soda can

To have your only decent tank taking from you and replaced by something not much better then a MLT tank

I've never said AV needs to be touched... Its fine

But we can't only have STD tanks... It doesn't work out

that's probably because your using a simple fitting that doesn't cost much. mine costs basically 2 million ISK. I need to play several matches to make a profit.


your calling me a ******* noob when your the one who barely started with tanks this build?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA now that's funny. I will take you out before you even know where I am kid.

you have excellent talking skills exer

dude i have enforcer an now proto turrets, and what?

dont bring out what you cant afford to loose......

simple as that, given you drive maddy, you got nothing to ***** about, and the fact i've only driven tanks since upriseing means nout, and again if noob tank driver can adapt, then why the **** cant you?

you look like a scrub noob, constantly crying about problems that dont exist


regarding other dude and pc matches, no, other than FF, i dont see a diff, if everyman wants to take out your tank, then either have a team to back you up, or GTFO

and again, if newb tank driver (me) rolls fine in there tank, then why cant you so called "vets"

My tank alt is "sixteensixty4" just for the record, and i do just fine

... I can't tell if he's trolling me or being serious

... I can't tell if he's trolling me or being serious

oh theres a major difference between pc and pub matches noob, for one each side is 100% full of prototype weapons and modules, the fights are more intense because the battles actually mean something. also, no self respecting tank driver I know has skilled into the trash known as enforcers, and btw still haven't heard of your tanker name.

the problems we are constantly bringing up do exist and only a blind kid cant see than, the infantry constantly cries op and nerf and they constantly complain about every damn thing. we are not complaining about every damn thing, we are bringing up the real issues with tanks that constantly get ignored.

you seriously are just giving yourself a bad name, your ignorant an your just like that other guy that doesn't give a **** about other peoples' opinions and only thinks his matters, you like him think that even though your new to tanking barely beginning this build that you know everything about tanks and even more than the vets do that have been playing tanker since closed beta.

your ignorant trash and a disgrace.

Sorry, I just can't sign this. There are some valid points, but there is just a bit of... God Mode mentality. We need to have counters, and as much as it would be fun for a little bit, gunning people without having anything to counter me would be boring.
I say no to this.

LoL

and i thought i had issues

im done, maybe read through yuour post history when you get bored one day lol its as lame as mine, if not more so, i care about the game, where as you just cry about your tank and how you cant use it any more

and again, heres me, newb tank driver, doing just great in mine

and while you may not have seen me, i've seen void recalling his tanks and sitting in reline like a **** gg vet tankers, really showing us how its done from behind that line i can assure you. i get out redline 9 times outa ten and enjoy it and dont loose my ****

regardless

why do you think your posts never gets listened too?

its because, theres no problem, other than in your little heads, no you cant tank all AV no more, and actully have to use some skill to stay alive

Why do you assume i make forum posts about his?

People like you are the reason tanks are in the shape they are now.... B***h B***h B***h about tanks being OP and when CCP says spec AV people look like they're a deer in headlights

Now that LLav plague came out and everyone and their mom have Proto forges and Swarms which i'm happy... People finally man'd up and got what they needed to take care of vehicles

But not only Did they buff handheld weapons and nerf tanks PG and Turret damage... They took away our ADV tanks... The one that could stand up to a Proto forge to make more then 1 lonely heavy bust out his militia fit with a lvl 10 assault forge

Again I in no way approve of a nerf to AV... All i ask for is my ADV and Proto tank... Make them cost 5 mil... All i ask in return is to not get 4 shot in my shield tank

After reading some of the comments in response to this petition, many people are requesting something be done about the gunnlogi vs madrugar tank battles. The only way for a gunnlogi to outgun a madrugar is to put rail guns on but even then a madrugar with rails can easily destroy a gunnlogi. Back in chromsome i was a shield tank and madrugars were still more powerful than the gunnlogis but the balance was gunnlogis were fast. Me personally ran chassis modules ( which are still removed) and every time a madrugar popped out i would either drive away or drive to a more tactical location. But now madrugars are faster than gunnlogis and have the ability to put on nitrous modules and they out gun us and out race us. I know the balance is gunns are more effective against infantry but still. It needs to be like a scout vs a heavy. The scout can outgun the heavy but it has the speed to either outrun it or jump behind him or kill him. But now the gunnlogi heavy with the body of a scout and the madrugar is a scout with the body of a heavy. So please ccp, let the madrugars outgun gunnlogis but atleast give the gunnlogi the means to escape

After reading some comments this will also be added, the biggest thing that ruined things for tanks is the Logi Lav's. After everyone saw how affective they were everyone started specing into Av. All the time my buddy goes 20 & 0 in his logi lav and when me and him squad up together and im getting hammered i literally ask him to take the forge gun shots for me since he can survive them better than i can. LLAV > Tank should not happen i shouldn't feel safer in a llav than my tank i know the point of the llav is to sit in the middle of the battlefield and revive people but no one does that. They just murder taxi

After reading some of the comments in response to this petition, many people are requesting something be done about the gunnlogi vs madrugar tank battles. The only way for a gunnlogi to outgun a madrugar is to put rail guns on but even then a madrugar with rails can easily destroy a gunnlogi. Back in chromsome i was a shield tank and madrugars were still more powerful than the gunnlogis but the balance was gunnlogis were fast. Me personally ran chassis modules ( which are still removed) and every time a madrugar popped out i would either drive away or drive to a more tactical location. But now madrugars are faster than gunnlogis and have the ability to put on nitrous modules and they out gun us and out race us. I know the balance is gunns are more effective against infantry but still. It needs to be like a scout vs a heavy. The scout can outgun the heavy but it has the speed to either outrun it or jump behind him or kill him. But now the gunnlogi heavy with the body of a scout and the madrugar is a scout with the body of a heavy. So please ccp, let the madrugars outgun gunnlogis but atleast give the gunnlogi the means to escape

After reading some comments this will also be added, the biggest thing that ruined things for tanks is the Logi Lav's. After everyone saw how affective they were everyone started specing into Av. All the time my buddy goes 20 & 0 in his logi lav and when me and him squad up together and im getting hammered i literally ask him to take the forge gun shots for me since he can survive them better than i can. LLAV > Tank should not happen i shouldn't feel safer in a llav than my tank i know the point of the llav is to sit in the middle of the battlefield and revive people but no one does that. They just murder taxi

Signed Tank Creno, Kill Mode Activated/Science For Death/Dethdealers/Creno's Army/From The Dust And Ashes, and The Shadow Eclipse Alliance is who I represent! Agreed 100%!

no your not a tank driver, your an infantry player pretending to be a tank driver, tankers post actual facts and statistics, the infantry (you guys) are the ones that posting bullshit based on emotions

So that's the 5th thing, possibly reducing the price. When the drop ship pilots asked for a buff you instead decreased the price and it was alright. When can tanks get a decreased price?

.

ahahahaha

ok i just imagine i got 9mil tank alt huh

Its funnny you think you speak for all tank drivers coz you been playing since "closed beta" i been here as long as you
****

and so what you dont know me, i only know you coz your constantly trying to talk for us "all"

again

getgoodscrub

im re-creating the post for technical reasons

im done talking to your ignorant infantry ass, your not a tank driver, I don't think I speak for all tank drivers, I speak for myself and anyone with common sense and until now nobody has said anything about me speaking for every tank driver but you, if I speak for the tank drivers that would make sense since im the one on the forums the most.

just because youv been here as long as me doesn't meant **** if you don't have nearly as much experience in my specific class as I do.

its funny that im being called a scrub by a nooblet who thinks he knows more about tanks that the vets do

if we continue to get trolled and spammed by people like him, flag his 1st post until its deleted and every other post that's like his

Since the character max has been reached the list will continue here:
So far the supporters of the list are:
Tank Gorillarape
Die Quickly
I Keel You
TakeCoverOrDie
FIghter4All
Barbosa07z
Void Echo
CharCharOdell
TheLegend345
Killer-12
Vethosis
Viktor Viktrizi
Tai kar
Oso Tiburon
GodHands9
Exergonic
gboh8
Dark Deviser
NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE
Cy Clone1
Racro 01 Arifitsan
Code Slucid

no your not a tank driver, your an infantry player pretending to be a tank driver, tankers post actual facts and statistics, the infantry (you guys) are the ones that posting bullshit based on emotions

I'd hate to disagree with a fellow LOI merc, but the poor elephant in the room needs some bloody attention. I have read through this entire thread and I can't seem to recall you posting any actual facts or statistics. You have however posted a great deal of your heated emotions.

Also please lighten up on the infantry hate; I might save your tank one day.

You can't choose one thread and judge on that. You have to look at a lot. Then you see who the real tankers are. We say stuff like DPS and EHP. Cool words. Then we use numbers and bam! Logic in your face!

no your not a tank driver, your an infantry player pretending to be a tank driver, tankers post actual facts and statistics, the infantry (you guys) are the ones that posting bullshit based on emotions

yeah, we know, its the infantry that are trying to make us extinct, they want this to be another COD, we are fighting back

ahahahaha

ok i just imagine i got 9mil tank alt huh

Its funnny you think you speak for all tank drivers coz you been playing since "closed beta" i been here as long as you
****

and so what you dont know me, i only know you coz your constantly trying to talk for us "all"

again

getgoodscrub