You found one of a very small number of tankers who make it work. Compare that number to the number of AR users who make it work. Then consider the possibility that he probably didnt last 6 rounds with one tank, because that is damn near impossible. On a good day, I'll break even and not to toot my own horn, but im pretty good at what I do.

I'm also willing to bet it was a gunlogi with 1 surge and 2 wards on with shield restiance skill maxed out. No armor tank could survive 4 people throwing packed AV grenades at him.

Make them high jackable but insured. Also make rockets do waaaaaaaay more damage. Maybe tank special weapons. Battles are realistic but everyone who shows up with ar's hates life.

We're getting away from the point and this is just becoming a tanks are OP or not OP thread. we need to decide if they should be win buttons or throw aways.

Now, how powerful should a tank be and how much should it cost?

Tanks should be neither.

1. A God-mode tank? Seriously? Yeah, no. Tanks are already p2w enough as it is.

2. Cheap throw away tanks would be even worse, I don't want to have to bring in AV every match and sacrifice my anti-infantry nades (which are extremely important to me... I feel dysfunctional without them). It's already bad enough with all these LAV turkeys running around.

This happened many times in Chromosome. I would pull a sagaris with full proto everything and go 35:0 on manus peak. I call in another one on the same map but a blueberry TKs me and jacks it- dead in 3 minutes vs a soma 80gj blaster. On the flip side, blueberry calls in a sica and it blows up 1 minute after contact. I pull same sica, but because i maxed out tank skills, I manage to kill a maddy and a couple gunlogis before one of the buddies sneaks up behind be and drops my shields to zero in 4 seconds.

The greatest tanks in the game would be no better than militia tanks if the pilot was not experienced. It does not make him OP, or the AR is OP because some of the best players in the game us the AR.

I don't like extrems as well, but as I see that tanks are easy to kill right now. A tank should be a tank, expensiv, hard to skill and not all that easy to kill. maybe offering more gamage on the small guns could help.
I'm a logi and I can drive tank, this is perfect, this way I alway see both sides.
In conclusion I skilled the crap out of AV granates and I'm scared as hell to drive in my tank, becouse I know how EASY it is to kill one with it, and I'm not even talking about forgeguns here.

Tanks are basically 100% invincible to anybody with no AV (which is most players, especially in ambush... at least until they die once or twice and change their fit). But as a infantry player, I am 100% vulnerable to everything in this game. Even with proto AV nades, I have to get really lucky to throw enough nades in close range before:

a) Tank kills me
b) Tank turns tail and runs off to get health back
c) Tanks infantry buddies wipe me out because I am speced for AV, not anti-infantry. Therefore an extremely vulnerable to infantry.
d) Tank uses some kind of OP module to make them temp invincible, in which they either run off or wipe me out
e) All of the above while I try to re-supply my nades with a hive, cause 3 proto nades won't even kill the weakest tank


Tankers fail to recognize that running AV means that player is really only effective against AV. It's a HUGE sacrifice most of the time. And usually not rewarding in the least.

In Chromosome I ran proto swarms with some crap side-arm when some tanker came out and was causing problems, I had absolutely NO chance against infantry in order to attempt to take out the tank. I had to sacrifice myself many times just to scratch the tanks health so they could run away and repair. Every once in a while I would get lucky and score a kill, but it was few and far between because tanks just run away behind cover.

So you want to able to do everything? I think the game you want to be playing is called Battlefield.

Exactly, tanks are p2w noobery. Nuff said.

You just proved yourself wrong, appreciate it, saved me the time

The only real problem I see with tanks as they are is due to the nature of pub matches. People always say "you need dedicated AV", or "the reason you can't deal with this or that vehicle is because you nubs don't switch to AV" bla bla bla. The problem is not that one person goes dedicated AV, it is that without dedicated AV players on a team tanks (or for that matter some murder taxis) often require coordinated strikes from a team. Eg. 2 or 3 people switch to AV and the others protect them. This kind of coordination is virtually impossible in most pub matches.

I don't want this to be COD either and I think that people should join corps, and squads etc. But the way tanks work at the moment any team that doesn't have some amazing AV player or a good squad with decent AV will just be completely blown away by one tank. Honestly all it would take to fix that problem is either to have vehicle free game modes, or just more areas of the maps that can't be accessed via vehicles.

Dust shouldn't be COD, but it isn't World of Tanks either. The majority of every team should be infantry, so tanks, dropships and LAVs should be the exception, not the rule. The vehicles need to be important, and something of a force multiplier, just as logistics should be (instead of the preeminent weapon on the battlefield...I'm looking at you Caldari Logi).