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Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:29:00 -
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It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it? |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
548
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:30:00 -
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No, and No |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
819
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:30:00 -
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Only really useful to reduce the move penalty on standard plates through diminishing returns. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
1752
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:31:00 -
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They are completely worthless for the massive amount of PG/CPU they use up, I personally have two basic plates stacked on my suit, the penalty isn't bad enough to hurt my game. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1640
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:32:00 -
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They're ok if you want a bit more buffer without the speed loss, but these things strongly favor shield tankers instead of armor tankers.
I personally don't use them, because they're just about the same as a shield extender, but without the massive regeneration ability. You're better off with a vanilla plate / rep combo. |
Tectonious Falcon
Phaze O n e
671
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:33:00 -
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Most snipers sit in me spot and barely move. Normal plates should be better.
Ferroscale plates are intended more for scouts that need to be fast but want a little bit more health. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1096
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:33:00 -
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Depends how much you value speed. Keep in mind that people that don't like them don't value speed as highly as other things (HP/CPU/PW) |
Smoky Fingers
Red STar. EoN.
79
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:33:00 -
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Basic plates overall are still king. Just stick with your enhanced ones |
Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
227
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:34:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:They are completely worthless for the massive amount of PG/CPU they use up, I personally have two basic plates stacked on my suit, the penalty isn't bad enough to hurt my game.
Hmm. Sounds like it is hard on the Logibros too if the PG/CPU requirement is high. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2492
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:35:00 -
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If you can fit the complex ferroscale, it's worth it. Hybrid tanking is getting more mileage out of these plates but could be more viable if the repper bonus worked with the reactives. |
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Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
227
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:35:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:Most snipers sit in me spot and barely move. Normal plates should be better.
Ferroscale plates are intended more for scouts that need to be fast but want a little bit more health.
That makes a lot of sense. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
475
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:38:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it?
No they boost armour by a **** poor amount and are not worth using.
They give no benefits to me as an assault since I don't have many low slots anyway. |
Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
230
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:44:00 -
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Proto Logi with x5 Ferroscale Armors would have decent armor bonuses with no movement penalty vs x5 Std. Armors with high HP and movement penalty....hmm. I guess the Ferroscales would work better if the Logi use close-range weapons like AR or Submachine guns, but probably not for sniping.
I think perhaps the Ferroscales would be beneficial for the Minmatar that usually have fast speed, but can be provided with a little more extra HP and for the Amarr players that usually gripe about the movement penalty. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
468
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:44:00 -
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I think its a good plate for non armour tankers.
Its not bad if you can fit it. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
130
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:44:00 -
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I use them on one of my scout fits, got bored so I tried 'em out. My total health equals some assaults with them, keeping the speed of a scout. I guess it's a niche item, I just use 'em for something different, gone toe to toe with a lot tougher fits than I do with my other fittings |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
670
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:44:00 -
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They are more penalizing than regular armor plates due to the extremely high CPU/PG costs. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
670
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:45:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Proto Logi with x5 Ferroscale Armors would have decent armor bonuses with no movement penalty vs x5 Std. Armors with high HP and movement penalty....hmm. I guess the Ferroscales would work better if the Logi use close-range weapons like AR or Submachine guns, but probably not for sniping.
I think perhaps the Ferroscales would be beneficial for the Minmatar that usually have fast speed, but can be provided with a little more extra HP and for the Amarr players that usually gripe about the movement penalty.
Thats if a proto logi could stack them, my proto Gallente logi can stack 5 complex plates, but comes at the sacrifice of shield modules and a weapon lol. |
Son Down
SamsClub
28
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:46:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it?
"I use proto logi for sniping" --- Hey Devs, here's your base problem with Dust right now.
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Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
230
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:49:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it? "I use proto logi for sniping" --- Hey Devs, here's your base problem with Dust right now.
Be thankful that the Logi was provided with only one weapon slot. Besides, sniping is not the only thing I do. I'm a support as well, providing nests like nanohives and drop uplinks for whenever my squadmates need them. I don't see anything wrong with Logi being snipers. There's heavy snipers, assault snipers, scout snipers, etc. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
120
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:53:00 -
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Armor tankers only care about their HP. Speed is a side effect. The ferroscale is supposed to create stronger scouts. The reactive plate is simply a nod to the dual tanking assaults who fit basic reppers and a plate in their low slots. I wondered why they are buffing shield tankers. Maybe more anti shield weapons coming soon? |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
757
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:56:00 -
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No |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
671
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:57:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Armor tankers only care about their HP. Speed is a side effect. The ferroscale is supposed to create stronger scouts. The reactive plate is simply a nod to the dual tanking assaults who fit basic reppers and a plate in their low slots. I wondered why they are buffing shield tankers. Maybe more anti shield weapons coming soon?
Nope 5/7 of the next weapons to come out are anti armor |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
759
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:58:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Armor tankers only care about their HP. Speed is a side effect. The ferroscale is supposed to create stronger scouts. The reactive plate is simply a nod to the dual tanking assaults who fit basic reppers and a plate in their low slots. I wondered why they are buffing shield tankers. Maybe more anti shield weapons coming soon? HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA That's a good one. CCP doing something that would hurt shields considerably. Sure they might but not before they make armour even shitier than it is. |
Daddrobit
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
316
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:59:00 -
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I use it...
For my proto shield tank Minmatar logi.
4 complex shield extenders, 2-3 shield regulators, and 1-2 complex ferroscale plates. It adds just that little extra bit that has saved me on more than one occasion whenever someone -does- hit me with a flux grenade, (or I hit myself with one) and I'm turned into a bare armor tank. Then when my regulators kick in in like 3 seconds, my shields are almost instantly maxed, and my armor slowly regens with its base 5 hp/sec. But whenever I've found myself winning engagements with less than 60 armor, I thank my ferroscale plates for their extra support that kept me alive. |
Son Down
SamsClub
29
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:03:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:Son Down wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it? "I use proto logi for sniping" --- Hey Devs, here's your base problem with Dust right now. Be thankful that the Logi was provided with only one weapon slot. Besides, sniping is not the only thing I do. I'm a support as well, providing nests like nanohives and drop uplinks for whenever my squadmates need them. I don't see anything wrong with Logi being snipers. There's heavy snipers, assault snipers, scout snipers, etc.
You're going to have to go to "confession" for that lie. No one uses Logis for "logi stuff". It's just a better platform for assault, than assault suits are. It's like having a "Gamer's For Christ" tag, and thinking that they're actually religious. The whole thing is just stupid.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
759
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:04:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:I use it...
For my proto shield tank Minmatar logi.
4 complex shield extenders, 2-3 shield regulators, and 1-2 complex ferroscale plates. It adds just that little extra bit that has saved me on more than one occasion whenever someone -does- hit me with a flux grenade, (or I hit myself with one) and I'm turned into a bare armor tank. Then when my regulators kick in in like 3 seconds, my shields are almost instantly maxed, and my armor slowly regens with its base 5 hp/sec. But whenever I've found myself winning engagements with less than 60 armor, I thank my ferroscale plates for their extra support that kept me alive. Congrats, you're Minmatar the Race that benefits the most from the new plates but keep in mind they don't help pure armour tankers (Gallente) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
484
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:06:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Armor tankers only care about their HP. Speed is a side effect. The ferroscale is supposed to create stronger scouts. The reactive plate is simply a nod to the dual tanking assaults who fit basic reppers and a plate in their low slots. I wondered why they are buffing shield tankers. Maybe more anti shield weapons coming soon? Nope 5/8 of the next weapons to come out are anti armor Issue is mr child spawn the only thing armour tanking has going for it is having a high EHP, we cannot make fast armour regen characters.... |
Scheneighnay McBob
Blueberry Gunners
2168
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:08:00 -
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They aren't too good by themselves, but I think they would be good as an additional plate to put on besides regular plates, if you want to keep your speed up.
And if anyone is wondering about reactive plates, I currently use them on my (soon to be) minmatar logi alt. Since I already have built in armor repair, reactive plates help my tank a little, and help my repair rate a little. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
759
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:10:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:They aren't too good by themselves, but I think they would be good as an additional plate to put on besides regular plates, if you want to keep your speed up.
And if anyone is wondering about reactive plates, I currently use them on my (soon to be) minmatar logi alt. Since I already have built in armor repair, reactive plates help my tank a little, and help my repair rate a little. Keyword here is Minmatar |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
673
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Armor tankers only care about their HP. Speed is a side effect. The ferroscale is supposed to create stronger scouts. The reactive plate is simply a nod to the dual tanking assaults who fit basic reppers and a plate in their low slots. I wondered why they are buffing shield tankers. Maybe more anti shield weapons coming soon? Nope 5/8 of the next weapons to come out are anti armor Issue is mr child spawn the only thing armour tanking has going for it is having a high EHP, we cannot make fast armour regen characters....
Even then we can't have HIGH HP, the highest HP we can get is only 60 more than what a Caldari suit can get using all complex shields and armor mods (Not counting the Logistics suit) |
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Daddrobit
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
316
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:35:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Daddrobit wrote:I use it...
For my proto shield tank Minmatar logi.
4 complex shield extenders, 2-3 shield regulators, and 1-2 complex ferroscale plates. It adds just that little extra bit that has saved me on more than one occasion whenever someone -does- hit me with a flux grenade, (or I hit myself with one) and I'm turned into a bare armor tank. Then when my regulators kick in in like 3 seconds, my shields are almost instantly maxed, and my armor slowly regens with its base 5 hp/sec. But whenever I've found myself winning engagements with less than 60 armor, I thank my ferroscale plates for their extra support that kept me alive. Congrats, you're Minmatar the Race that benefits the most from the new plates but keep in mind they don't help pure armour tankers (Gallente)
Yeah, that was my point. Even at their best, the only thing they're good for is a supplement to shield tanking. It honestly would be silly in my opinion to use them any other way. Use them as an actual armor tank? You'd be crazy, you can get nearly as much hp from a basic plate for a fraction of the cpu / pg / isk cost. Give them a large buff in hp given, and make them have a decent shield nerf, like 40% shield regen rate reduction so that people like me can't abuse them. |
Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
233
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Posted - 2013.07.11 03:24:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:Son Down wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it? "I use proto logi for sniping" --- Hey Devs, here's your base problem with Dust right now. Be thankful that the Logi was provided with only one weapon slot. Besides, sniping is not the only thing I do. I'm a support as well, providing nests like nanohives and drop uplinks for whenever my squadmates need them. I don't see anything wrong with Logi being snipers. There's heavy snipers, assault snipers, scout snipers, etc. You're going to have to go to "confession" for that lie. No one uses Logis for "logi stuff". It's just a better platform for assault, than assault suits are. It's like having a "Gamer's For Christ" tag, and thinking that they're actually religious. The whole thing is just stupid.
Your point is irrelevant. I do use "Logi stuff" as you put it. I am also religious. Praise God! :) |
Sgt Buttscratch
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
419
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Posted - 2013.07.11 03:28:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it?
for logi, I use the reactives, small movement speed loss with hp/s regen.
It may seem ideal for snipers, but from what i see, snipers will roll with plates more effectivley |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
206
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:38:00 -
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Yes, I'm running fits with both the new plates. I usually stack one Basic Plate, One Enhanced Ferroscale and One Enhanced Reactive + Shields. Although I do run fits with 3 Ferroscale, 3 Enhanced Basic Plates etc etc, depends on the fit I suppose, I used to tank 3 x Enhanced Basic Plates and the movement penalty was killer, but ever since I've started mixing them up my KD has risen insanely.
And what's the point of armor plating a sniper fit? Stick some CPU mods in your low slots and stack up Damage mods in the highs, if you get spotted it's all over anyway, no point in wasting slots. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
47
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:48:00 -
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Makyre Vahliha wrote:It looks like the Ferroscale Armors provide moderate armor bonuses with no movement penalty. I use proto logi for sniping works with Enhanced Std. Armors, so the movement penalty doesn't bother me since I stay out of range. When I get hit by another snipers, I survive 80% of the time because of the armors. So when I get hit, it helps me to determine where the shots come from before taking the enemy snipers down. I like that the Ferroscale Armors are more lighter, which give no movement penalties, making it seem ideal for snipers. But I don't know if it's worth it for me. I thought maybe it is much more fitting for Minmatars. Do any of you guys use it?
No they are junk. Way to much CPU & PG
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steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
865
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:59:00 -
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I think you would be better off with reactive plates |
Shrapnels
The Order 1886
177
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:23:00 -
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these No MS penalty Plates work well on an Amarr Assault suit.
the PG and CPU does need to be a bit lower or they need to increase the Armor to 80. |
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