Wow. Never heard that before... blame the people that are getting their ass handed to them for not trying hard enough.


Lets just all stomp on hobos for being poor then.

I actually see guys from your corp running full proto fits and cruising in lavs running guys over fairly often, I guess that makes you the odd man out
Kudos

Moning about the symptom not the cause. Never work in app supporer :-P

Solving this problem is very hard. You first need to prepare and fix some mechanics before you can chance the motivation. Yes, it is the motivation, I see a lot of people leaving games if they see >= 3 ppl from one corp. A couple just afk in the MCC, because GÇ£itGÇÖs not worth trying against themGÇ¥.

I see two major problems which need to be solved.

Problem number one: Guiding/Leading the herd.
In the most games more than half of the people are not in the squad. I think it would be great if randoms could get a fast join possibility like you see it in BF3. If you have a squad open, and you donGÇÖt lock it, this people can join you, and if there are leftovers, a new squad will be created. Now that you have the herd, you need to guide it. And the spin wheel squad commando menu=SQM is not a validate tool for this. We need something faster, and of course bug free. Things like: increasing the distance between the panels (in the SQM), adding new options, like showing a path or way to go, increasing the highlighting speed, by maybe highlight the enemies for the squad to see who is the squad / squad leader shooting right now are just a few possibilities. Guiding this herd is one problem.

Problem number two: Motivation.
People need to see why it is worth killing a proto, CCP could accomplish that by showing at the end of the game more statistics, like GÇ£who killed the most expensive cloneGÇ¥, GÇ£how much ISK are destroyedGÇ¥, maybe even have a minimal chance to get the salvage loot from a killed enemy (not all the fit, just leftovers). The people must feel the need to join a squad. This could be accomplished via more WP, by more I mean: WP for spotting and scanning enemies and killing the highlighted (this should be the one highlighted via member via shooting at him, and not via the SQM) enemy. This are just examples, but this way even a sniper would feel the need to join a squad.

Now, I think this to things should be fixed, and you will see random groups rise against corp squads.

Solving this problem is very hard. You first need to prepare and fix some mechanics before you can chance the motivation. Yes, it is the motivation, I see a lot of people leaving games if they see >= 3 ppl from one corp. A couple just afk in the MCC, because GÇ£itGÇÖs not worth trying against themGÇ¥.

I see two major problems which need to be solved.

Problem number one: Guiding/Leading the herd.
In the most games more than half of the people are not in the squad. I think it would be great if randoms could get a fast join possibility like you see it in BF3. If you have a squad open, and you donGÇÖt lock it, this people can join you, and if there are leftovers, a new squad will be created. Now that you have the herd, you need to guide it. And the spin wheel squad commando menu=SQM is not a validate tool for this. We need something faster, and of course bug free. Things like: increasing the distance between the panels (in the SQM), adding new options, like showing a path or way to go, increasing the highlighting speed, by maybe highlight the enemies for the squad to see who is the squad / squad leader shooting right now are just a few possibilities. Guiding this herd is one problem.

Problem number two: Motivation.
People need to see why it is worth killing a proto, CCP could accomplish that by showing at the end of the game more statistics, like GÇ£who killed the most expensive cloneGÇ¥, GÇ£how much ISK are destroyedGÇ¥, maybe even have a minimal chance to get the salvage loot from a killed enemy (not all the fit, just leftovers). The people must feel the need to join a squad. This could be accomplished via more WP, by more I mean: WP for spotting and scanning enemies and killing the highlighted (this should be the one highlighted via member via shooting at him, and not via the SQM) enemy. This are just examples, but this way even a sniper would feel the need to join a squad.

Now, I think this to things should be fixed, and you will see random groups rise against corp squads.

I personally never give up (hence why my K:D is particularly bad, even for a support Logi), but it can be disheartening. I was one on one with a proto last night in my basic fitting, I was surviving ok (somehow) but in the time it took me to reload my AR his shield and armour were almost back, it would have taken me about a minute to kill him even if he was standing still and not shooting back at me!

Fortunately some team mates turned up just in time to help me finish him off, but my point is it can be quite disheartening and that's why much better matchmaking is required as I don't think I'm in the majority in my determination, and willingness to have a crappy K:D!

EDIT: By the way I was one on one as he surprised my at a spwan point, I wouldn't normally be on my own of course!

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what about 70 instead of 50 WP on every Proto suit kill?

things could get interesting then lol

i fully agree, although i just know how much the proto suits are worth, and my poor little 15k clone killing off more than 600k worth in a single life is just funny as hell to me and thats why i do it.

its the people who give up that are the problem, not the proto suits. the stomping only begins when the people like you start giving up and dont use uplinks, afk, snipe, and otherwise do nothing for half the game.

There are three reasons to play a non-PC match:
1) Improve your ISK position
2) Improve your SP position
3) Personal satisfaction of winning

If you are running a militia or extremely light fit number 1 is possible. If you are trying to run a middle ground fit you can only afford a few deaths per match before you start going backwards.

SP is based on time in game so the best SP gain is either not dying in the MCC or redline sniping

You aren't going to get the satisfaction of a round win because 99% of the time its your team of random militias vs 16 voice commed protos. So really, at the end of the day you are left with half of Number 3, your individual victory against 1 proto guy. Sometimes this goes your way, sometimes it doesn't.

Isn't exactly a burning fire of righteous fun impelling one to play game after game after game, is it.

Losing all the time is not fun.
People play games to have fun.

Do the math.

I actually agree with the OP, it takes all of 3 seconds to realize you're getting stomped and switch to your basic/militia fit that's still 75% effective as your 30k fit. And once you switch, you can go nuts, play ridiculous, get at least one proto kill or whatever.

Why? because losing is fun, to hell with KDR.

redifine winning and losing.

i fight economically, my goal is usually to cost as many players their profit for the game as possable, i against proto suits ill usually try to kill each proto once if possable, or just focus on a single poor soul in a caldari logi repeatedly till he stops running proto :P

thats why we need to measure victorys with isk lost/destroyed ratios instead.

he who wins the game but lost 4 mil to do so against militia fits diddnt truly win anything at all

You're highly unlikely to cost a single person 4 mil. Inflating the numbers to argue your cause is bad rhetoric.

well if it makes you happy i militia forge gunned a proto suit guy before

suffice to say he wasnt too pleased since now his perfect killing spree has ended due to that one death i gave him hehe

I think we really need to get rid of thr KDR.

People give up on pub matchesm because they don't want to ruin their KDR's thats all, IMO.

I don't even know why a team based game like dust needs such a ego BS.

You know, I agree with you 100%.

It'll never happen though, the FPS monkeys want this to be nothing more than JALS.

The monkeys who play lobby shooters want to know their KDR and they will scream bloody murder if CCP tries to take it away.

Losing all the time is not fun.
People play games to have fun.

Do the math.

Cause clearly Dust is at current so much more then a Lobby Shooter...Oh, wait...

I actually agree with the OP, it takes all of 3 seconds to realize you're getting stomped and switch to your basic/militia fit that's still 75% effective as your 30k fit. And once you switch, you can go nuts, play ridiculous, get at least one proto kill or whatever.

Why? because losing is fun, to hell with KDR.

switching to militia gear is the reason alot of people get pubstomped. half of the battles are lost in the warbarge.