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AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:06:00 -
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Do way to much damage to armor.
Nothing more to that thought because there dosent need to be.
Rips through armor all the same. Ive seen it way to many times to not know thats the case. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
243
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:11:00 -
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You can't be serious?
Seeing as your race is Caldari, I perhaps you just have low amounts of armor.
As a user of scrambler rifles myself, I can tell you armor tankers give me nightmares. |
AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:13:00 -
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I run a Heavy alot. And its unreasonable. No distiguishable loss in damage. Maybe a slight one but not signifagant enough. Especially when your shields just dissapear. |
WeapondigitX V7
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:14:00 -
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Scrambler rifles and assault versions are fine. If you armor tank then you have a good defense against them. They are also hard to aim up close because of there accurate hip fire. They also cool down very slowly after firing a few shots. |
AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:17:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:Scrambler rifles and assault versions are fine. If you armor tank then you have a good defense against them. They are also hard to aim up close because of there accurate hip fire. They also cool down very slowly after firing a few shots. again theres not really good armor defense at all. I know because i have it happen to me all the time and i heare it from alot of people who dont even shield tank or anything. Its crazy. There the new wepon so there not quiet balanced yet Definatley.
Just like the flaylocks. But those are wwwaaaayyyy worse |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
243
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:20:00 -
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AnALogginS wrote:WeapondigitX V7 wrote:Scrambler rifles and assault versions are fine. If you armor tank then you have a good defense against them. They are also hard to aim up close because of there accurate hip fire. They also cool down very slowly after firing a few shots. again theres not really good armor defense at all. I know because i have it happen to me all the time and i heare it from alot of people who dont even shield tank or anything. Its crazy. There the new wepon so there not quiet balanced yet Definatley. Just like the flaylocks. But those are wwwaaaayyyy worse There are good armor defenses, they are called armor plates. If you choose not to use them because of the movement penalty then you don't have the right to complain when even scrambler rifles can take down your low armor without much hassle. |
AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N.
7
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:30:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:AnALogginS wrote:WeapondigitX V7 wrote:Scrambler rifles and assault versions are fine. If you armor tank then you have a good defense against them. They are also hard to aim up close because of there accurate hip fire. They also cool down very slowly after firing a few shots. again theres not really good armor defense at all. I know because i have it happen to me all the time and i heare it from alot of people who dont even shield tank or anything. Its crazy. There the new wepon so there not quiet balanced yet Definatley. Just like the flaylocks. But those are wwwaaaayyyy worse There are good armor defenses, they are called armor plates. If you choose not to use them because of the movement penalty then you don't have the right to complain when even scrambler rifles can take down your low armor without much hassle.
Yeah your not getting it. I DO. THERE OP to Armor. Its very clear. I hace suits with over 860 armor. VERY Few thing chew through it better than scramblers. |
WeapondigitX V7
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:42:00 -
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AnALogginS wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:AnALogginS wrote:WeapondigitX V7 wrote:Scrambler rifles and assault versions are fine. If you armor tank then you have a good defense against them. They are also hard to aim up close because of there accurate hip fire. They also cool down very slowly after firing a few shots. again theres not really good armor defense at all. I know because i have it happen to me all the time and i heare it from alot of people who dont even shield tank or anything. Its crazy. There the new wepon so there not quiet balanced yet Definatley. Just like the flaylocks. But those are wwwaaaayyyy worse There are good armor defenses, they are called armor plates. If you choose not to use them because of the movement penalty then you don't have the right to complain when even scrambler rifles can take down your low armor without much hassle. Yeah your not getting it. I DO. THERE OP to Armor. Its very clear. I hace suits with over 860 armor. VERY Few thing chew through it better than scramblers.
If you are good at dodging and firing at the same time you will have less of a problem with scrambler rifles. I am only accurate firing the standard scrambler rifle at full auto if the target is not trying to dodge my attacks (because they are not focused on me).
I admit that the standard scrambler does have a large initial damage but good dodging with armor forces me to retreat to let my weapon cool down.
I also acknowledge that armor repair achieves at medium levels poor substandard repair rates on suits because the potential is not as high as shield recharge rates by a large margin. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
684
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:50:00 -
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Assault scrambler does mad dps at low range. It might actually be higher dps on armor than the duvolle if you're in its optimal. I don't remember... Sucks at range though. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:10:00 -
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heavy needs a buffd in damage resistance and thats about it to fix the heavyies abillity to tank damage as its worse than an assault suit....
laser needs a buffer..
and its sights need to be reverted back to before uprising .
scrambler seems fine where itsd at its about the same as an ar.... |
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The-Errorist
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
48
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:37:00 -
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GEK Assault rifle & GLU -Tacs
Do way to much damage to armor.
Nothing more to that thought because there dosent need to be.
Rips through armor all the same. Ive seen it way to many times to not know thats the case. |
Skipper Jones
ZionTCD
289
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:46:00 -
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You can't be serious. Just because you die to my AScR means you have to complain about the, being OP.
Check their stats, they aren't OP
For example. I use the CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle.- I think it is 34.4 damage/shot It does 120% to shields and 80% to armor. {That's 41.28 DMG to Shields per shot THat's also 27.52 DMG per shot to armor } Both without DMG modules or proficiencies.
So you're saying 27.52 DMG/shot is op? That's less than the AR, Is the AR OP then? |
Karazantor
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:51:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:You can't be serious. Just because you die to my AScR means you have to complain about the, being OP.
Check their stats, they aren't OP
For example. I use the CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle.- I think it is 34.4 damage/shot It does 120% to shields and 80% to armor. {That's 41.28 DMG to Shields per shot THat's also 27.52 DMG per shot to armor } Both without DMG modules or proficiencies.
So you're saying 27.52 DMG/shot is op? That's less than the AR, Is the AR OP then?
This |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
415
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:54:00 -
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AnALogginS wrote:Do way to much damage to armor.
Nothing more to that thought because there dosent need to be.
Rips through armor all the same. Ive seen it way to many times to not know thats the case. Yeah you are ******* insane if you think the one weapon able to deal with shield tankers effectively need a nerf.
Pure armour tanker here, never been killed by an Assault Scrambler.
It already has a negative 10% damage modifier to armour, that's more than enough considering all the bullshit explosive weapons that do an extra 35% against armour with no penalty to the user. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
83
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:23:00 -
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honestly i think you and you friends suck the only way i can kill a heavy is 1. from a distance 2. i flux him 3. he was shooting at some one else 4. he was in a STD or miltia gear and even then im going toe to toe with that heavy almost every bullet hitting me my hp going through the windows but he has to stop because of jams so i win Assaults suits yall are just some times stupid you stand there and shoot me know your AR has lower rpm but higher damage shots miss you start to run and bam you jump and i get a kill.
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
62
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:08:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Assault scrambler does mad dps at low range. It might actually be higher dps on armor than the duvolle if you're in its optimal. I don't remember... Sucks at range though.
Not a chance. Assault Rifles have much lower kick and dispersion than AScrams, both when hipfiring and, amazingly, while scoped as well.
AScrams do have a 72 round magazine, which is nice and would be the obvious thing to nerf if required, but frankly, the ascram does not compare favourably to a GEK. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1131
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:02:00 -
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Seriously?
Getting shot a bunch shouldn't kill you? |
matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
15
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Posted - 2013.07.09 15:06:00 -
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they do a hell of a lot less to armor, and i rum em all the time so i know what you are experiancing is the SCR almost forces you to ads because the dispersion from hip is pretty bad, so then i tend to have a very high headshot percentage
so even with -20% or so the +60% or so makes up for it but that's more related to armor being slow so easier to headshot than the gun itsself |
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