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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
522
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:25:00 -
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Republic denies senate request to join Midular funeral procession
Karin Mifular funeral takes place on Mikramurk Steppes
I think I hear the drums of war in the these kinds of reports. Stained relations is code for "pissed" in diplomatic speak. I don't want to go to war but we have to do what we have to do. I am hoping they can chill the anger and consternation that this incident has inflicted on our two races. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
240
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:32:00 -
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I know it can be a challenge, but the Federation needs to keep its citizens in check. I don't blame the Matari for denying the senate to attend the funeral when it was one of their citizens which committed the crime. Also I am a impressed that the Matari didn't break out in violence when at the court hearing. |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
70
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:50:00 -
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It was a shame to hear of Karin Midulars death at the hands of a Gallentean. She will be much missed amongst the Matar. |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
776
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:56:00 -
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While it may come as a supprise to some. I truly feel the matar lost a great leader she was the first in a very long time who tried to work with us where possabile rather than just calling to war 24/7 she shall be missed by ALL the empires. I fear we move closer to all out war every passing day |
Daedric Lothar
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1006
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:30:00 -
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I love seeing Minmatar related post on the GalNet without any Minmatar posters. Reminds me that none of them actually have enough money to afford a transceiver. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
524
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:02:00 -
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One of the major downfalls of any society is the radicals they produce. Republics produce hate mongers, dictatorships produce freedom fighters, theocracies produce religious zealots and tribes produce warlords among other things. I understand the rage but our officials need to realize that the acts of a few don't always reflect the ideals of the group.
My next post is my moment of silence in respect. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
524
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:03:00 -
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
247
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Posted - 2013.07.08 13:08:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:One of the major downfalls of any society is the radicals they produce. Republics produce hate mongers, dictatorships produce freedom fighters, theocracies produce religious zealots and tribes produce warlords among other things. I understand the rage but our officials need to realize that the acts of a few don't always reflect the ideals of the group.
My next post is my moment of silence in respect. There is clearly some culture of radical hatred toward the Minmatar growing within the Federation which should be addressed.
((OOC, lol at the moment of silence, very clever )) |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
49
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:28:00 -
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Its gonna be very hot time in new eden.i say caldaris conna start kill each other(not bad)and there is conna be civil war and then minamatar and gallentes seperates some reason and then all the factions start to take sides in caldari civil warBut then we immortal mercs will rise and push the factions out of power |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
4
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:43:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Its gonna be very hot time in new eden.i say caldaris conna start kill each other(not bad )and there is conna be civil war and then minamatar and gallentes seperates some reason and then all the factions start to take sides in caldari civil war But then we immortal mercs will rise and push the factions out of power
Mr. Draco ...
(1) Tibus Heth's support base at this point consists of the Templis Dragonaurs and their sympathizers. This is a bit like the U-Nats in the Federation-- a pack of political-fringe terrorists who'd be funny if they didn't occasionally try to get attention by doing something remarkably horrible. The Dragonaurs have existed for over two hundred years and have been an illegal organization for just about as long. They had their day in the sun while Heth was Executor. Now? They can't even hold a single station.
It's not going to be much of a war. The Guristas are a larger threat.
(2) "We immortal mercs" don't yet fully understand the technologies that sustain us. Until we work that out, revolt is, in short, ill-advised.
Even afterwards, good luck getting us all aiming in the same direction. We're not New Eden's most cohesive single force-- in fact, our role so far is mostly to fight each other. |
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Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
88
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:26:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Its gonna be very hot time in new eden.i say caldaris conna start kill each other(not bad )and there is conna be civil war and then minamatar and gallentes seperates some reason and then all the factions start to take sides in caldari civil war But then we immortal mercs will rise and push the factions out of power Mr. Draco ... (1) Tibus Heth's support base at this point consists of the Templis Dragonaurs and their sympathizers. This is a bit like the U-Nats in the Federation-- a pack of political-fringe terrorists who'd be funny if they didn't occasionally try to get attention by doing something remarkably horrible. The Dragonaurs have existed for over two hundred years and have been an illegal organization for just about as long. They had their day in the sun while Heth was Executor. Now? They can't even hold a single station. It's not going to be much of a war. The Guristas are a larger threat. (2) "We immortal mercs" don't yet fully understand the technologies that sustain us. Until we work that out, revolt is, in short, ill-advised. Even afterwards, good luck getting us all aiming in the same direction. We're not New Eden's most cohesive single force-- in fact, our role so far is mostly to fight each other.
Agreed either most immortal mercs are too incompetent to win pub matches or FPS players are far to schismatic to actually work towards one goal. Dunno why you think the Caldari will have civil war..... |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
551
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Posted - 2013.07.09 18:44:00 -
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Wars should be fought over something besides a mistake. Maybe the diplomats will work some things out and get relations back to normal. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
441
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:10:00 -
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I am glad the gallente are finally realizing what the Minmatar Scum are.
At least now appropriate measures are being made . |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
757
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:04:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I love seeing Minmatar related post on the GalNet without any Minmatar posters. Reminds me that none of them actually have enough money to afford a transceiver.
Respect through silence, Lothar. |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:15:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:I am glad the gallente are finally realizing what the Minmatar Scum are.
At least now appropriate measures are being made . Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
443
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:47:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:I am glad the gallente are finally realizing what the Minmatar Scum are.
At least now appropriate measures are being made . Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid.
Tread carefully scum |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
44
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:09:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid.
Um. With respect, soldier, the Khanid Kingdom seems to have made its peace with the Empire. Also, please bear in mind that the ruler of said kingdom was, and (sort of?) is, an Amarrian heir. As in, eligible for the title of Emperor. It's sort of a high-stakes contest.
He wasn't picked, and preferred secession to suicide. That, ultimately, is what their departure was about.
As an aside, the Caldari trade more with the Kingdom than the Empire because the Khanid population is more willing to trade for exotic technology than the Empire is. It's a business relationship, largely, and if you're looking for a popular revolt by the oppressed and disenfranchised, this isn't it.
The Empire and State have their differences, but you're not going to make very much progress driving a wedge while the Federation and State remain at war.
You'll probably have difficulty as long as the Federation remains a viable threat at all. |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:20:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:I am glad the gallente are finally realizing what the Minmatar Scum are.
At least now appropriate measures are being made . Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid. Tread carefully scum Here's a little information about the person you perceive as scum, we both have "pure" Amarr blood. I rejected the teachings of our people all my life, but I didn't act on it until I saw firsthand the atrocities our people commit to the minmatar. The slave of my former boss and I stowed away on a bestower heading to jita. Through collaboration with the slaves aboard, we managed to take over the ship and return the mainly sanmatar population to nearby minmatar space, where I supplied each of them out.of pocket with a shuttle and basic necessities. I sought work in.caldari.space because of how much hype we give the isk earned in caldari space, particularly for lai dai. After working there for 1 year, I was captured during a serpentis raid, where I was treated like a slave until Cormack himself gave me,the opportunity to work with him. On my 27th fleet operation, Cormack was nearly killed.until I put a sensor damper on the enemy ship, which was soon after destroyed. Despite this turn of events, Cormack believed I betrayed him, which lead to him borrowing the methods of sansha to utterly destroy my memory. Once I was in an elite frigate again, I managed to force a pilot out of their condor after we were the last ships in the immediate area in exchange for their survival. My journal, despite being mostly destroyed, proved invaluable to me rebuilding my life. Using it I found my way back to the former slave I worked with in both my first career and freed slaves with. Through his help I managed to become officially part of the sanmatar tribe. |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:26:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid. Um. With respect, soldier, the Khanid Kingdom seems to have made its peace with the Empire. Also, please bear in mind that the ruler of said kingdom was, and (sort of?) is, an Amarrian heir. As in, eligible for the title of Emperor. It's sort of a high-stakes contest. He wasn't picked, and preferred secession to suicide. That, ultimately, is what their departure was about. As an aside, the Caldari trade more with the Kingdom than the Empire because the Khanid population is more willing to trade for exotic technology than the Empire is. It's a business relationship, largely, and if you're looking for a popular revolt by the oppressed and disenfranchised, this isn't it. The Empire and State have their differences, but you're not going to make very much progress driving a wedge while the Federation and State remain at war. You'll probably have difficulty as long as the Federation remains a viable threat at all. I doubt if our ties were rapidly crumbling that they would beg to pay respects to someone that one of their own kind murdered. This sounds like common sense to me but would you not harbor a grudge if the land that you control is only a fraction of your birthright? That seems like a good enough reason to me for why their relation is likely to be strained. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
44
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:29:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Here's a little information about the person you perceive as scum, we both have "pure" Amarr blood. I rejected the teachings of our people all my life, but I didn't act on it until I saw firsthand the atrocities our people commit to the minmatar. The slave of my former boss and I stowed away on a bestower heading to jita. Through collaboration with the slaves aboard, we managed to take over the ship and return the mainly sanmatar population to nearby minmatar space, where I supplied each of them out.of pocket with a shuttle and basic necessities. I sought work in.caldari.space because of how much hype we give the isk earned in caldari space, particularly for lai dai. After working there for 1 year, I was captured during a serpentis raid, where I was treated like a slave until Cormack himself gave me,the opportunity to work with him. On my 27th fleet operation, Cormack was nearly killed.until I put a sensor damper on the enemy ship, which was soon after destroyed. Despite this turn of events, Cormack believed I betrayed him, which lead to him borrowing the methods of sansha to utterly destroy my memory. Once I was in an elite frigate again, I managed to force a pilot out of their condor after we were the last ships in the immediate area in exchange for their survival. My journal, despite being mostly destroyed, proved invaluable to me rebuilding my life. Using it I found my way back to the former slave I worked with in both my first career and freed slaves with. Through his help I managed to become officially part of the sanmatar tribe.
And so, you have come, through many trials, here, to speak with righteous voice the sins of the Empire ... though you apparently don't personally remember any of them? |
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Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:42:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Here's a little information about the person you perceive as scum, we both have "pure" Amarr blood. I rejected the teachings of our people all my life, but I didn't act on it until I saw firsthand the atrocities our people commit to the minmatar. The slave of my former boss and I stowed away on a bestower heading to jita. Through collaboration with the slaves aboard, we managed to take over the ship and return the mainly sanmatar population to nearby minmatar space, where I supplied each of them out.of pocket with a shuttle and basic necessities. I sought work in.caldari.space because of how much hype we give the isk earned in caldari space, particularly for lai dai. After working there for 1 year, I was captured during a serpentis raid, where I was treated like a slave until Cormack himself gave me,the opportunity to work with him. On my 27th fleet operation, Cormack was nearly killed.until I put a sensor damper on the enemy ship, which was soon after destroyed. Despite this turn of events, Cormack believed I betrayed him, which lead to him borrowing the methods of sansha to utterly destroy my memory. Once I was in an elite frigate again, I managed to force a pilot out of their condor after we were the last ships in the immediate area in exchange for their survival. My journal, despite being mostly destroyed, proved invaluable to me rebuilding my life. Using it I found my way back to the former slave I worked with in both my first career and freed slaves with. Through his help I managed to become officially part of the sanmatar tribe. And so, you have come, through many trials, here, to speak with righteous voice the sins of the Empire ... though you apparently don't personally remember any of them? Though there are major gaps in my memory, particularly the vast majority of my childhood, but the journal was only partly corrupted (it makes more sense to me if I edit it into a digital journal that's highly outdated and therefore losing information). My wotk experiences were thoroughly catalogued, everything from how that particular slave was taunted everywhere he went, to his eventual week with the "we wuv you" bears after being unable to work after a previous beating. Even during my oppression after the memory loss, I was given food and clean water multiple times a day and not injected with a lethal toxin that slavers use to control their slaves. After about a dozen weeks later I was returned to piloting, but only in low class frigates. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
44
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:00:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Though there are major gaps in my memory, particularly the vast majority of my childhood, but the journal was only partly corrupted (it makes more sense to me if I edit it into a digital journal that's highly outdated and therefore losing information). My wotk experiences were thoroughly catalogued, everything from how that particular slave was taunted everywhere he went, to his eventual week with the "we wuv you" bears after being unable to work after a previous beating. Even during my oppression after the memory loss, I was given food and clean water multiple times a day and not injected with a lethal toxin that slavers use to control their slaves. After about a dozen weeks later I was returned to piloting, but only in low class frigates.
So ... respectfully, soldier, you know it's true because you read about it? And you have no reason to doubt the narrator?
Again, respectfully, this seems a somewhat flimsy framework for justifying large-scale murder.
The drug you're referring to is called "vitoc." It's controversial, and rather nasty stuff. If I remember, the formula gets modified regularly so that no particular version works for too many people. The drug itself, as I understand it, is harmless-- it's the withdrawal that will kill you. Like I said, nasty stuff.
But it interests me that the use of such things by a few justifies, in your mind, mass-slaughter of people whose great sin is apparently being as they were taught to be.
Edit:
Being as we're speaking in a thread dedicated to the memory of a Matari champion of peace, what say we take this little talk over to Horned Wolf's proposed atrocity and have it there? |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:09:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Though there are major gaps in my memory, particularly the vast majority of my childhood, but the journal was only partly corrupted (it makes more sense to me if I edit it into a digital journal that's highly outdated and therefore losing information). My wotk experiences were thoroughly catalogued, everything from how that particular slave was taunted everywhere he went, to his eventual week with the "we wuv you" bears after being unable to work after a previous beating. Even during my oppression after the memory loss, I was given food and clean water multiple times a day and not injected with a lethal toxin that slavers use to control their slaves. After about a dozen weeks later I was returned to piloting, but only in low class frigates. So ... respectfully, soldier, you know it's true because you read about it? And you have no reason to doubt the narrator? Again, respectfully, this seems a somewhat flimsy framework for justifying large-scale murder. The drug you're referring to is called "vitoc." It's controversial, and rather nasty stuff. If I remember, the formula gets modified regularly so that no particular version works for too many people. The drug itself, as I understand it, is harmless-- it's the withdrawal that will kill you. Like I said, nasty stuff. But it interests me that the use of such things by a few justifies, in your mind, mass-slaughter of people whose great sin is apparently being as they were taught to be. We were originally enslaved by your people specifically because we have different traditions and beliefs. Our cause is justified by the suffering our people endure from your people, which i believe is more concrete than a work of fiction. So forcing a lethal addiction is any more ethical than any other form of control? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
515
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:25:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:I am glad the gallente are finally realizing what the Minmatar Scum are.
At least now appropriate measures are being made . Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid. Tread carefully scum Here's a little information about the person you perceive as scum, we both have "pure" Amarr blood. I rejected the teachings of our people all my life, but I didn't act on it until I saw firsthand the atrocities our people commit to the minmatar. The slave of my former boss and I stowed away on a bestower heading to jita. Through collaboration with the slaves aboard, we managed to take over the ship and return the mainly sanmatar population to nearby minmatar space, where I supplied each of them out.of pocket with a shuttle and basic necessities. I sought work in.caldari.space because of how much hype we give the isk earned in caldari space, particularly for lai dai. After working there for 1 year, I was captured during a serpentis raid, where I was treated like a slave until Cormack himself gave me,the opportunity to work with him. On my 27th fleet operation, Cormack was nearly killed.until I put a sensor damper on the enemy ship, which was soon after destroyed. Despite this turn of events, Cormack believed I betrayed him, which lead to him borrowing the methods of sansha to utterly destroy my memory. Once I was in an elite frigate again, I managed to force a pilot out of their condor after we were the last ships in the immediate area in exchange for their survival. My journal, despite being mostly destroyed, proved invaluable to me rebuilding my life. Using it I found my way back to the former slave I worked with in both my first career and freed slaves with. Through his help I managed to become officially part of the sanmatar tribe. You cannot have amarri blod when you clearly are of Caldari descent. ((too bad for picking the wrong bloodline)) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
45
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:34:00 -
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Soldiers, respectfully, can we perhaps take this into the thread that was actually founded on bile to begin with? There's little courtesy to the Ray of Matar in either defending the history of the Amarr or violently denouncing it.
With respect, you both represent forces she opposed. May I ask that we withdraw? |
XANDER KAG
Red STar. EoN.
157
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:45:00 -
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She will be missed, at least she is at rest now. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
519
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:45:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Soldiers, respectfully, can we perhaps take this into the thread that was actually founded on bile to begin with? There's little courtesy to the Ray of Matar in either defending the history of the Amarr or violently denouncing it.
With respect, you both represent forces she opposed. May I ask that we withdraw? As you will. |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:07:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Soldiers, respectfully, can we perhaps take this into the thread that was actually founded on bile to begin with? There's little courtesy to the Ray of Matar in either defending the history of the Amarr or violently denouncing it.
With respect, you both represent forces she opposed. May I ask that we withdraw? Accepted |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:I am glad the gallente are finally realizing what the Minmatar Scum are.
At least now appropriate measures are being made . Oh, put I tracking disruptor on it, the caldari were only truely allies with you when they needed help. Now, they're collaborating with the disgruntled citizens of the empire, also know as the khanid. Tread carefully scum Here's a little information about the person you perceive as scum, we both have "pure" Amarr blood. I rejected the teachings of our people all my life, but I didn't act on it until I saw firsthand the atrocities our people commit to the minmatar. The slave of my former boss and I stowed away on a bestower heading to jita. Through collaboration with the slaves aboard, we managed to take over the ship and return the mainly sanmatar population to nearby minmatar space, where I supplied each of them out.of pocket with a shuttle and basic necessities. I sought work in.caldari.space because of how much hype we give the isk earned in caldari space, particularly for lai dai. After working there for 1 year, I was captured during a serpentis raid, where I was treated like a slave until Cormack himself gave me,the opportunity to work with him. On my 27th fleet operation, Cormack was nearly killed.until I put a sensor damper on the enemy ship, which was soon after destroyed. Despite this turn of events, Cormack believed I betrayed him, which lead to him borrowing the methods of sansha to utterly destroy my memory. Once I was in an elite frigate again, I managed to force a pilot out of their condor after we were the last ships in the immediate area in exchange for their survival. My journal, despite being mostly destroyed, proved invaluable to me rebuilding my life. Using it I found my way back to the former slave I worked with in both my first career and freed slaves with. Through his help I managed to become officially part of the sanmatar tribe. You cannot have amarri blod when you clearly are of Caldari descent. ((too bad for picking the wrong bloodline)) The bloodline was choosen to represent that my longest legitimate line of employ, nothing more. Also stressing the modified suit has to do with using caldari ships minmatar style. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
591
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Posted - 2013.07.10 06:44:00 -
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This truce to be respectful is a good sign that all four races can work together even if we have out differences. There is no need for a war over radicalized terrorists whom prey on the innocent and incite violence between our peoples. Tragedies like this are unavoidable in free societies and do not reflect social norms or beliefs. Civility in these troubled times is worth it weight in morphite and cannot be overlooked. |
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