you seemed to have put a little more effort into this than you normally do...

I don't understand it, they work the same as they did in Chromo, why the sudden usage en masse?

I don't understand it, they work the same as they did in Chromo, why the sudden usage en masse?

both just a disaster to any new player trying to play for his / her first time.

CCP your not realizing this but its just not looking good for new players.
the pub stomping proto gus vs fresh fish.
i understand this is a cutthroat style game but foreal be honest here you think stuffing fresh fish into a server full of mass drivers and flaylocks is fair?
i use proto flaylocks and i can clearly say they are op.
i understand you make a weapon op just so ppl can spec into them then power nerf them out of the blue but why not stop making the game harder to fix for you and place the original balance intended for the weapon right the first time & also making the game really hard for new guys to learn or play because ill be honest if i was just starting off and jumped into a FW match or regular public match with nothing and im constantly getting face fuqed by these weapons id slam dance on my ps3 kick my tv and drink bleach.
then blame u guys for it.

Hit ditection, frame rate, and an extra m blast radius

im sorry, to be fair though when i ganked you with the freedom i had put 4 points of proficiancy into it and stacked 2 damage mods. wich with any weapon would put a huge dent into somebody.

overhaul as in what? removing acadamy and actually doing skill based servers? so 1.noobs fight noobs and learn to get better by fighting people in thier own lvl and 2. so the pros can actually play against pros in fw matches? that would be the best way to do it tbh.

CCP have stated (somewhere) they are doing a complete overhall on matchmaking. Only thing thats going to fix this tbh. We can see the problem and im sure CCP can too

MD's are actually working now (little too much splash dmg maybe), flaylocks are broke.

Yeah the splash buff wasnt needed. Just making it work was enough. As for the flaylocks, they're obvious win buttons and i refuse to train such petty things.

Shouldnt have anyway near that much splash damage.

overhaul as in what? removing acadamy and actually doing skill based servers? so 1.noobs fight noobs and learn to get better by fighting people in thier own lvl and 2. so the pros can actually play against pros in fw matches? that would be the best way to do it tbh.

No idea, was an ofhand coment in some obscure post lol, tho it does keep coming up obviously. Mostly comments on how they are looking at more metrics to dictate balance (not just KDR, WP, Skill lv etc)

So yeah noob v noob "pro" v "pro". Tho i expect faction warfare to be the free for all it is now

i spec'ed into them because those things were alot of my deaths also i dont use them on regular guys without proto i only use them when i know a corp who uses them and i see them in a mass of players using them. then i bring it out to make the fight fair because like u said it is a win and its just stupid that people call themself elite but exploit every glitch and op weapon to stat pad.. this only shows how much of a sore loser that person or corp can be.

both just a disaster to any new player trying to play for his / her first time.

CCP your not realizing this but its just not looking good for new players.
the pub stomping proto gus vs fresh fish.

I just got out of a game against your corp going 10 protos vs random pubbies. I sat in the MCC and watched your hoard of HAVs/LAVs plough around the battlefield.

I'm thinking playing against that wasn't much fun for newbies either.

MD's didn't get an extra meter buff...it was simply returned to its Chromosome stats after it had been nerfed away. There are way more AR kills in the kill feed than anything else so stop your QQing. Can't speak on the FP cause I haven't used it.

I Use MDs and Flaylocks. No proto. My fit costs less than 30k and requires little SP to use (As any EVE player will tell you more SP just makes fits better).

It actually impresses me CCP had the foresight to nurf MDs in the last build when it was extremely difficult to get them to hit a barn. Now they seem pretty well balanced.

As for flaylocks: they MIGHT be OP. I really want to see someone who's maxed out the skill shrub for scram pistols and see what they say. Personally I die way more often to SMGs than to flaylocks.

I think flaylocks are just noticeable, as mentioned in another thread the expend their full energy very quickly and it's very visible when they do.

In a match this evening I saw a redberry running at me behind cover, I switched to my flaylock and fired a single round at the exit to the cover. losing small amount of his shield to splash he turned and bolted the other direction. I've heard this called 'area denial', and it's what MDs and flaylocks do by design.

It's easy to look at an MD round which can come from nowhere and do massive damage and say it's unbalanced. But really it's no different to when you're using an AR, or an SR, and you see the other guy first. Short of some spectacular acrobatics (s)he's gonna have a bad time.

Just my 2-ó...

(PS. I run MD because I find it hillarious, not OP. Seriously I kill myself half the time with that thing)

Before I start addressing this, I cant believe you started this post Anon...

I can agree with the flaylock being OP, the splash damage is crazy. Damage / CPU&PG use is the best in the game.

The MD is back to working as intended, there hasn't been a respec since this was updated so the people who are playing with Proto MDs have had them for a while or just picked them up with the 3x SP. We (MD users after launch) put up with non functional MDs for so long and when they start working correctly again people start bitching about an OP weapon.

New weapons in most games are OP, so bitching about those is just part of a games life cycle, but when CCP fixes the hit detection on a weapon they broke I call BS.

To CPM/Devs, fix what you introduced already broken(Flaylocks) don't break what you just fixed(MDs).