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Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:37:00 -
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the idea is neat. a faster moving heavy suit with two light slots instead of a heavy and sidearm
the execution doesn't make much sense. here are the downsides to the above listed upsides *it's horribly expensive, 20% price increase on basic suits (aren't specializations supposed to be cheaper?) *the base armor and shield HP are almost halved (250 from 400) *the slot layout is pretty awful. proto only has two highs and one low if i remember correctly *the pg/cpu for fitting is less than the basic
so i ask, does anyone use these suits? |
Texs Red
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
40
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:41:00 -
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I've seen two since they came out. It is not a popular suit, with good reason too (as already stated). |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
218
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:42:00 -
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We exist. |
Shaze 'Jazz' Sovatsor
R.I.f.t
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:43:00 -
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I saw one yesterday. He was using a sniper rifle. I killed him with a militia AR. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:43:00 -
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Word on the street is you use em dualing swarms and sniper rifle's with double complex damage mods for the win. |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:43:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:the idea is neat. a faster moving heavy suit with two light slots instead of a heavy and sidearm
the execution doesn't make much sense. here are the downsides to the above listed upsides *it's horribly expensive, 20% price increase on basic suits (aren't specializations supposed to be cheaper?) *the base armor and shield HP are almost halved (250 from 400) *the slot layout is pretty awful. proto only has two highs and one low if i remember correctly *the pg/cpu for fitting is less than the basic
so i ask, does anyone use these suits? My buddy is tryin it out with a swarm launcher and sniper, not sure how it will work but hey, at least hes willing to give it a try. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
154
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:43:00 -
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I've seen them in New Eden. Not many, but they are out there. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
218
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:46:00 -
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I use the Laser Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle and honestly I chose that simply because I'm really big in the Amarr but after playing several matches I think people should really give it a try. The Laser Rifle is fine in my opinion, the iron sights don't bother me whatsoever (and yes, I was there during Chromosome). I am able to run around with the assault scrambler rifle and take out anyone who gets within a decent distance while being able to quickly switch weapons to melt the face off anyone just outside of my range. |
Shrapnels
The Order 1886
164
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:05:00 -
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biggest problem is the Suit cost 94,425 ISK alone !!!!!!!!!
if you added 2 Proto Lightweight weapons at either 47k or 77k your already over 218,000 ISK |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
184
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:41:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I use the Laser Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle and honestly I chose that simply because I'm really big in the Amarr but after playing several matches I think people should really give it a try. The Laser Rifle is fine in my opinion, the iron sights don't bother me whatsoever (and yes, I was there during Chromosome). I am able to run around with the assault scrambler rifle and take out anyone who gets within a decent distance while being able to quickly switch weapons to melt the face off anyone just outside of my range.
sounds kind of over-specialized, mostly because the assault scram does ****-all to armor so it doesn't make a very good cqc panic weapon |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
250
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:44:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:I use the Laser Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle and honestly I chose that simply because I'm really big in the Amarr but after playing several matches I think people should really give it a try. The Laser Rifle is fine in my opinion, the iron sights don't bother me whatsoever (and yes, I was there during Chromosome). I am able to run around with the assault scrambler rifle and take out anyone who gets within a decent distance while being able to quickly switch weapons to melt the face off anyone just outside of my range. sounds kind of over-specialized, mostly because the assault scram does ****-all to armor so it doesn't make a very good cqc panic weapon Have you tried the ASR with any progress in the Proficiency skill? Plus it's not intended as a panic CQC, more of a mid-range weapon while the laser deals with the longer ranges. I try to avoid CQC, not only because I don't carry a true CQC weapon but because I am in a large heavy suit. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.08 14:45:00 -
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Corp mate runs it with dual MDs. He seems to have fun. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4655
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Posted - 2013.07.08 15:45:00 -
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I always get sad when I see them on my team in the warbarge because I know friendly fire isn't on.
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Muud Kipz
Elevated Technologies
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:03:00 -
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I've been having tons of fun with trololo-Halo-style shotty/snipes and shotty/TAC builds. Shotty/LR works too. Basically, bait them in with your obviously mid to long range limited gun, then sit behind a corner as everyone and their mother comes for your big red heavy suit, which, surprise, is holding a shotgun! Proto suit isn't nearly worth it though, IMO the commando is a for fun only suit, meant to be run at STD for people who want to troll DS3 users with superior KB/M gun game and the perfect weapon for both short and mid (or mid and long) ranges. The main factor (in my brief play experience) that limits the commando is its abysmal shield recharge rate. 10/second is ridiculously bad. I was hoping for a suit the laid heavy penalties on me but rewarded excellent gun game- instead, any clash with an AR has me retreating for 30 seconds while my shields recover. Terrible shield recharge rate, with no slots for armor reppers or recharge boosting, leaves the commando (arguably even at proto level) more fragile (in terms of the kill->recover bounce cycle) than a starter C-1 assault fit. To fellow trollmandos: always run with a compact nanohive, 50hp/s self rep once per clone for minimal pg/cpu and ~900ISK really helps.
TL;DR: it's a terrible suit that's fun to troll with. Definitely deserves to be in the game, it's not teh hardcorez CalLogi competitive but as a casual player I'm loving it. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
682
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:03:00 -
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Bubba Brown wrote:*it's horribly expensive, 20% price increase on basic suits (aren't specializations supposed to be cheaper?)
I still wonder why the specialized suits are cheaper. Seems weird to me.
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Shitballs McGee
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:28:00 -
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I'm very curious about Commando suits, saving SP and considering unlocking them soon.
Should I? |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:30:00 -
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Shaze 'Jazz' Sovatsor wrote:I saw one yesterday. He was using a sniper rifle in an improper fashion. I killed him with a militia AR.
Fixed |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:30:00 -
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CCP do a Rambo heavy suit.
-Double Shied and Armor (800/800) -One High and low slot - One heavy weapon slot and a grenade slot. - 5-10% slowdown on sprinting or less stamina -Never have to reload (only with a HMG) unless the heavy runs out of ammo and need to get more.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:40:00 -
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Give them an extra couple of module slots, and +50 hp to shields & armour.
The most annoying thing about the recent new content is how determined CCP are to prenerf it. The only thing they succeeded in doing was ensuring nobody would complain it was OP. Ferroscale armour plates anyone?
If CCP isn't going to nerf the stuff that actually needs it, why not be generous with new content, and cycle the OP whine routine. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
262
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:51:00 -
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Muud Kipz wrote:I've been having tons of fun with trololo-Halo-style shotty/snipes and shotty/TAC builds. Shotty/LR works too. Basically, bait them in with your obviously mid to long range limited gun, then sit behind a corner as everyone and their mother comes for your big red heavy suit, which, surprise, is holding a shotgun! Proto suit isn't nearly worth it though, IMO the commando is a for fun only suit, meant to be run at STD for people who want to troll DS3 users with superior KB/M gun game and the perfect weapon for both short and mid (or mid and long) ranges. The main factor (in my brief play experience) that limits the commando is its abysmal shield recharge rate. 10/second is ridiculously bad. I was hoping for a suit the laid heavy penalties on me but rewarded excellent gun game- instead, any clash with an AR has me retreating for 30 seconds while my shields recover. Terrible shield recharge rate, with no slots for armor reppers or recharge boosting, leaves the commando (arguably even at proto level) more fragile (in terms of the kill->recover bounce cycle) than a starter C-1 assault fit. To fellow trollmandos: always run with a compact nanohive, 50hp/s self rep once per clone for minimal pg/cpu and ~900ISK really helps.
TL;DR: it's a terrible suit that's fun to troll with. Definitely deserves to be in the game, it's not teh hardcorez CalLogi competitive but as a casual player I'm loving it. The following isn't intended to be offensive, but . . . . you're playing it wrong.
This is a heavy suit. You don't move as far as medium suits and you have the largest hitbox. You shouldn't be baiting people into 1v1 close combat with you. You should be rolling with teammates and sort of be the suppressing fire while not making yourself the primary target.
And ok, who am I to tell you how to play a game, but you said it yourself that the 10/second is ridiculous. Perhaps you should of drawn the conclusion that this suit is not meant for going off and doing your own thing rambo style but rather being a versatile asset to a squad. |
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Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:56:00 -
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I ran over a few of them yesteday....the poor fellows didnt see it coming |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
322
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:07:00 -
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I've killed at least a dozen with my Dren AR.
Thank the Dust gods for AR proficiency III and Sharpshooter V. |
Muud Kipz
Elevated Technologies
1
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:21:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Muud Kipz wrote:I've been having tons of fun with trololo-Halo-style shotty/snipes and shotty/TAC builds. Shotty/LR works too. Basically, bait them in with your obviously mid to long range limited gun, then sit behind a corner as everyone and their mother comes for your big red heavy suit, which, surprise, is holding a shotgun! Proto suit isn't nearly worth it though, IMO the commando is a for fun only suit, meant to be run at STD for people who want to troll DS3 users with superior KB/M gun game and the perfect weapon for both short and mid (or mid and long) ranges. The main factor (in my brief play experience) that limits the commando is its abysmal shield recharge rate. 10/second is ridiculously bad. I was hoping for a suit the laid heavy penalties on me but rewarded excellent gun game- instead, any clash with an AR has me retreating for 30 seconds while my shields recover. Terrible shield recharge rate, with no slots for armor reppers or recharge boosting, leaves the commando (arguably even at proto level) more fragile (in terms of the kill->recover bounce cycle) than a starter C-1 assault fit. To fellow trollmandos: always run with a compact nanohive, 50hp/s self rep once per clone for minimal pg/cpu and ~900ISK really helps.
TL;DR: it's a terrible suit that's fun to troll with. Definitely deserves to be in the game, it's not teh hardcorez CalLogi competitive but as a casual player I'm loving it. The following isn't intended to be offensive, but . . . . you're playing it wrong. This is a heavy suit. You don't move as far as medium suits and you have the largest hitbox. You shouldn't be baiting people into 1v1 close combat with you. You should be rolling with teammates and sort of be the suppressing fire while not making yourself the primary target. And ok, who am I to tell you how to play a game, but you said it yourself that the 10/second is ridiculous. Perhaps you should of drawn the conclusion that this suit is not meant for going off and doing your own thing rambo style but rather being a versatile asset to a squad. No argument there- I'm not playing the commando as it was intended, because it's not good enough to fill its "intended" role. That's what makes my commando playstyle trollish. The "intended" playstyle of the commando is not best achieved by the commando. Light weapons only means that the commando's suppressing fire (at any given instant) is the same as an assault/logi suit. The (at proto) 25% reload speed bonus lets you start shooting again ~.5 seconds sooner, but that's just not that great. In terms of rolling with a squad, the heavy movespeed and gimped shield recharge mean that you're inevitably behind or slowing down your squad's battle flow. The only even mildly useful thing is AR/Swarm (or SCR/Swarm, whatever/Swarm) setups, but even that gets outclassed by Swarm/FP assault.
Basically, while my commando playstyle is definitely "wrong", the "right" way of playing the commando is UP in the extreme. leaving troll shotgun commados as the most fun/satisfying option. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
266
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:28:00 -
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Well remember that though any other suit can do the same suppressing fire as the Commando, they cannot with the same versatility. |
Gabriella Grey
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
3
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:29:00 -
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I was pretty excited about the commando suit, and gave it a try. I currently only have Commando at level 1. I do love the speed it takes to reload. At my heavy's current light weapon operation at mostly level 1, I think this is an over looked key feature to its use, being able to reload quickly when in a fire-fight. Commandos are very easy to kill at the moment. When I think "Commando," I think of an high special Ops suit that could help out the team, working solo and squads of 2 or 3 people, being able to cause a huge ruckus, or steal objectives then go. I do not know CCP future plans for the commando but I do hope that they plan to give the commando tier, what l have listed below. I honestly think the groundwork for the Commando is there, its just very hard to grasp it. I understand its slower speed to an extent, and less use of modules. I just have the feeling CCP is holding back a few things, that I am hoping will be Commando suit equipped only, like hybrid modules that boost stats to multiple things within a understandable limit, not making other suits rendered useless.
G¥û Commando Suits need more speed to at least be able to fight off or flee from hostile areas. G¥û Hybrid Commando only modules that give shield and armor recharge rate much faster than medium frames. G¥û More internal stats built into the suits performance similar to the melee stats, like faster hacking speeds. G¥û I am guessing but I can see the cloaking feature being something Commando and Scout only. |
Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
225
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:44:00 -
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I put down about a dozen of them over the weekend.
They were all mostly standards though. |
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