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Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:18:00 - [1] - Quote Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun?
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 438	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:20:00 - [2] - Quote I hate it
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 740	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote go proto or go home( higher RoF/scoped btw if you wanted to know)
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4581	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:21:00 - [4] - Quote It's pretty beast if your aim isn't as horrible as mine. Definitely a KB/M weapon.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 120	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:21:00 - [5] - Quote You can't fire fast because it's burst fire. So that's three shots (probably) per pull. I don't like burst fire rifles, I prefer to manually burst fire if I decide to do so. But that single shot duvolle? Oh its so nice
itsmellslikefish DIOS X. II 88	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:26:00 - [6] - Quote I loved useing it before my respec, might spec into it again, love to scope with it.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 655	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:30:00 - [7] - Quote I love using it in pub matches.. It requires some skill to use though, its not easy to use. You NEED ARSS5 as well, or hip fire has too much spread. The scope on it is awesome, could use a slight optimal range boost, 5-10m or so.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 842	Posted - 2013.07.08 02:32:00 - [8] - Quote Needs a 10 point damage boost and it would be golden
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:19:00 - [9] - Quote Even though it is a burst weapon, the RPM shown on the gun is higher than the full autp AR's. Its a gun I want to like, but it just feels like half the AR line is useless. It feels like it should be a closer range version of the TAR, capable of higher damage, but the recoil to reduce effectiveness at longer ranges AR sharp shooter is something I want to get, but being a logi leaves me a bit low on the sp side for weapons, although my indecisiveness over suit choice cost me a lot of sp..
john gratn The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 6	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:38:00 - [10] - Quote Morrigan Uroboros wrote: Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun? Back in beta this used to be a 6-round burst and my favorite gun but then for some reason ccp nerfed it to a 3-round burst

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 664	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:39:00 - [11] - Quote Thank god too... its so much better as a three round burst weapon. A little more optimal range it would be amazing for people like me who prefer the ~50-60m engagement range... its not terrible in cqc either if you know how to strafe.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 139	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:41:00 - [12] - Quote john gratn wrote: Morrigan Uroboros wrote: Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun? Back in beta this used to be a 6-round burst and my favorite gun but then for some reason ccp nerfed it to a 3-round burst I guess they did it for more realism since usually a burst rifle fires three rounds per pull
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 202	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:42:00 - [13] - Quote I love using it, however it's mainly an assist farming weapon. :(
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 515	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:43:00 - [14] - Quote I enjoyed the burst AR pre uprising. I haven't touched an AR in uprising so I can't speak on it. I know that I don't see it enough. In Chrome is was great but there was a burst on every tier. I think they may be only proto now and I am not wasting my SP on an AR that I will rarely use.
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:44:00 - [15] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Thank god too... its so much better as a three round burst weapon. A little more optimal range it would be amazing for people like me who prefer the ~50-60m engagement range... its not terrible in cqc either if you know how to strafe. But at the range wouldn;t the TAR work better?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 742	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:46:00 - [16] - Quote john gratn wrote: Morrigan Uroboros wrote: Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun? Back in beta this used to be a 7-round burst and my favorite gun but then for some reason ccp nerfed it to a 3-round burst fixed that for you.
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:50:00 - [17] - Quote 7 round burst...? That would have been interesting to see :P Also ive just noticed online that the RPM of the advanced is 830, but the proto has 940. I know where the rest of my triple sp is going
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 666	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:58:00 - [18] - Quote Morrigan Uroboros wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Thank god too... its so much better as a three round burst weapon. A little more optimal range it would be amazing for people like me who prefer the ~50-60m engagement range... its not terrible in cqc either if you know how to strafe. But at the range wouldn;t the TAR work better? Comes down to play style then.. i don't like the rpm rate on the tac anymore... but the rpm on the burst is nice, and the damage isn't OP.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 666	Posted - 2013.07.08 03:58:00 - [19] - Quote Morrigan Uroboros wrote: 7 round burst...? That would have been interesting to see :P Also ive just noticed online that the RPM of the advanced is 830, but the proto has 940. I know where the rest of my triple sp is going Allotek is a beast.. but man its pricey... 77k per gun!!
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.08 04:02:00 - [20] - Quote You make a good point, the tar feels to slow now, ill have to try it on my tac fit instead. It might be pricey, but once i get my first proto weapon, im damn sure going to use it, I want to see if its as strong as it appears on the receiving end :P

Cosgar ParagonX 2305	Posted - 2013.07.08 04:10:00 - [21] - Quote Used to be godlike in closed beta and Chrome, but it seems to have lost its luster in Uprising. The new sights are much better though. I think they might have ninja nerfed the hip fire spread.
Callidus Vanus Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 90	Posted - 2013.07.08 04:53:00 - [22] - Quote It defiantly felt better in chromosome even with a duelshock, it might be the new scope.
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 3	Posted - 2013.07.08 06:01:00 - [23] - Quote I have to say im looking forward to the proto gun now, im hoping it has the diverse feeling of the old tac. Always looking for a new gun on my logi, the gek has been good, but it just gets a little repetitive
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 14	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:13:00 - [24] - Quote You really need to know how to aim with the burst rifles then its a killer ar. But I do wish it was back to 7 rounds or even 5 would be nice with an extended clip size.
EternalRMG CM Eir Gaming 21	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:18:00 - [25] - Quote Favorite weapon Sight is really useful and you dont have to worry about kick and spread Really accuarate and awesome at mid range and to finish people off Im a logi and it is a beast if i run with a heavy (he takes care of the close range)
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 48	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:19:00 - [26] - Quote Morrigan Uroboros wrote: Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun? In history we find thats some guns are just FREAKING WORTHLESS......this is one of those guns....im sorry my friend
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 158	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:31:00 - [27] - Quote Tried out the GK-13 Burst AR for awhile. I liked the scope and all, but stopped using it for two reasons. Firstly the recoil while zoomed in is significant, and I was having trouble getting all 3 rounds of the burst to land. This combined with the fact that it does the same damage per shot as the GEK-38, and that the burst mechanic leads to a slower effective RPM, made me feel like the gun was less effective than the GEK for general use. Also, the scope had me shooting at things that were outside my effective range (although hard to tell without in-game ranges). I have AR Operation 5 but sharpshooter is only at 1, maybe this makes a difference. Ultimately I ended up switching to the GLU tactical AR because of the improved range and increased damage per shot. The problem now is that its the worst in CQC, which means its not the best choice for my logi suit. So I use the GEK on my logi and the GLU on my assault, which has the benefit of a SMG for CQC.
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 10	Posted - 2013.07.08 17:48:00 - [28] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: Tried out the GK-13 Burst AR for awhile. I liked the scope and all, but stopped using it for two reasons. Firstly the recoil while zoomed in is significant, and I was having trouble getting all 3 rounds of the burst to land. This combined with the fact that it does the same damage per shot as the GEK-38, and that the burst mechanic leads to a slower effective RPM, made me feel like the gun was less effective than the GEK for general use. Also, the scope had me shooting at things that were outside my effective range (although hard to tell without in-game ranges). I have AR Operation 5 but sharpshooter is only at 1, maybe this makes a difference. Ultimately I ended up switching to the GLU tactical AR because of the improved range and increased damage per shot. The problem now is that its the worst in CQC, which means its not the best choice for my logi suit. So I use the GEK on my logi and the GLU on my assault, which has the benefit of a SMG for CQC. Ive been finding this as well, I spend all of today using the burst (adv level) . I had some good experiences with it... in around the 25-40m range or so, ranges closer than that it wasnt able to put out damage quickly enough, and further away sucks because of its pathetic range, and when I unlocked the douvolle earlier it reminded me how much better the gek is in practically every situation :P
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 10	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:19:00 - [29] - Quote ladwar wrote: go proto or go home( higher RoF/scoped btw if you wanted to know) I just managed to have a few games with the proto.... and damn your right, now i just need a way to fit it onto my logi suit
semperfi1999 Internal Error. League of Infamy 592	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:22:00 - [30] - Quote It used to be better but from nerfed from a 7 round burst to a 3 round burst.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 432	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:22:00 - [31] - Quote Loved it it chrome and the combat rifle is supposed to be one (woot)
Cosgar ParagonX 2338	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:28:00 - [32] - Quote Callidus Vanus wrote: It defiantly felt better in chromosome even with a duelshock, it might be the new scope. Thinking back to what Remnant has been saying about suit bonuses, making variables specific is hell because they're using a tagging system. Maybe when the AR dispersion got tweaked, they forgot to untag the burst.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 700	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:43:00 - [33] - Quote Personally I find that 3 rounds is perfect. It allows you to correct faster when you miss and lets you 'fire' faster. The 8 rounds so punishing if you missed. You can spam that allotek almost like you could spam the old OP tac.. its an amazing gun when used right. However... its got a similar optimal to the AR but a zoomed in scope... which makes the gun feel counter intuitive. It just needs a tad bit more optimal... seriously 5-10m and it will be a good compromise between the tac and the AR. hip fire dispersion on it is fine, its not bad at all at sharpshooter 4.
mikegunnz Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 632	Posted - 2013.07.09 00:07:00 - [34] - Quote I love Semi-Auto Marksman Rifles and Burst ARs in most games, but the burst in Dust is jacked. I still use it occassionally, but stick with TAC mostly. TBH, CCP should hit up DICE for some tips on how to tune the burst. BF has the AN-94 and KH-2002 (burst rifles) down to perfection. Burst ARs need 5-10m more range, and 0-bullet spread on the FIRST BURST. The immediate following burst can then have bullet spread as they do now. This would put the bursts on even ground for it's INTENDED PURPOSE. (which for bursts is to be a in-between compromise between full-auto ARs and semi-auto ARs)
john gratn The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:34:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: john gratn wrote: Morrigan Uroboros wrote: Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun? Back in beta this used to be a 6-round burst and my favorite gun but then for some reason ccp nerfed it to a 3-round burst I guess they did it for more realism since usually a burst rifle fires three rounds per pull I just wish they changed it back because a 6 round burst feels unique and interesting and it performed much better as a 6 round than a 3 round now its underprowered and needs to be changed back to a 6 round burst
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 27	Posted - 2013.07.16 23:45:00 - [36] - Quote Don't waste your time until you run the allotek. Once you learn to trigger it right you can kick out a whole clip from the beast as far as it bursts. Takes a lot to get used to tho. And if you play more assault than support, the regular duvolls work much better/more cost effective.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 203	Posted - 2013.07.17 00:06:00 - [37] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Loved it it chrome and the combat rifle is supposed to be one (woot) And the Combat Rifle should be superior to the Burst if I read Remnants posts correctly. Waiting to see if it will force me to put down my ScR
Morrigan Uroboros The Phoenix Federation 17	Posted - 2013.07.17 01:35:00 - [38] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Loved it it chrome and the combat rifle is supposed to be one (woot) And the Combat Rifle should be superior to the Burst if I read Remnants posts correctly. Waiting to see if it will force me to put down my ScR I cant wait for that, im just wondering how it will be better, its going to be at a disadvantage doing explosive damage
Sloth9230 Deepspace Digital 2413	Posted - 2013.07.17 01:40:00 - [39] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Thank god too... its so much better as a three round burst weapon. A little more optimal range it would be amazing for people like me who prefer the ~50-60m engagement range... its not terrible in cqc either if you know how to strafe. Then the only thing that would out-range it would be sniper rifles... and forgeguns... That may not be broken damage wise, but it would still be broken for the same reason sharpshooter was, at least until we get the other rifles in game.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 205	Posted - 2013.07.17 01:48:00 - [40] - Quote Think the range is going to be between the AR and (the current) ScR

HYENAKILLER X Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.07.17 01:55:00 - [41] - Quote ask yourself 1 question: is it a balacs assualt rifle? If your answer is no, then its a not balacs and use the gex-38. You are welcome for my leadership
Sgt Buttscratch Z.G.R.B 510	Posted - 2013.07.17 03:24:00 - [42] - Quote The burst AR works good in certain circumstances, mainly elevated sneak attacks, before they know whos shooting theyre down, easy to burstfire head shots with it
negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 82	Posted - 2013.07.17 03:30:00 - [43] - Quote the increase strafe speed isn't going to help
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2013.07.17 03:51:00 - [44] - Quote This is the variant that will turn into the Caldari rifle, btw. Expect a huge range buff.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2536	Posted - 2013.07.17 04:19:00 - [45] - Quote Morrigan Uroboros wrote: Is there really any point to this gun? Lower damage per shot than the gek, supposedly has higher RPM, but I have no idea how, I cant get it to fire particularly fast. So anyone had any luck with this gun? It's better than it used to be, but still not that great. The Combat Rifle will be a burst-fire weapon, and designed around that fire mode, so hopefully it'll be a better weapon.


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