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Nikodaemon
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.27 15:28:00 -
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I'm a new player ( <3 months). I love this game. It has taken over my 5 other PC games... But the sp cap is BS. IF you have the time to play, you should be rewarded the same every time. This whole complaint of grinding for sp doesn't matter if you are not good at the game, and playing a game ALOT just for fun does not equal grinding.
I like to play, and being nerfed sp just because I played a lot in a week's time is not fair. Talk about reverse psychology of a product maker = play only a little each week or else it's not worth it. And as for AUR and active boosters, those people pay real money for a free game. If they have money, they probably work for it, so spending it is their choice and they should be rewarded for supporting a free game. Maybe 2% of them are rich kids, who get better stuff because their parents pay for them to stay away; those kids will get nerfed in RL, so let them have their day pwn'n, their time will come...
Please remove the SP cap. Once you get 5's in all skill levels, what do you do then? |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.07.28 18:05:00 -
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Bump.
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.28 18:57:00 -
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A quick recap;
Moving to the 'skill pool' system would not effect passive SP at all, nor would it require any change to boosters either passive or active. Retro addition of skill points is unlikely because it would require that CCP have already recorded actual vs potential earnings on a week by week basis per character (if they have these numbers then I see no reason why they shouldn't grant that SP in the pool).
All of that being said and updated ETA would be awesome
0.02 ISK Cross |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.28 19:55:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I've written and rewritten this post many times, and I've come to the conclusion that the present system should be maintained. Here is why.
1. Imagine the cap rollover was implemented. If this happens, the nature of active boosters would have to change. Because CCP wouldn't want someone accumulating 7 weeks worth of SP and hardcore grinding for 7 days, earning all that 1.5x boosted SP on a single 7-day active booster.
2. So active boosters are changed to increase the rate at which SP accumulates into the available pool. This is bad because short duration actives - 1-3 days - become worthless. If the 190,400 cap is maintained, that's 27200 SP daily, so the 1 day would grant 13600 extra SP, and the 3 day, 40800 SP. You would need to buy 30 day actives for the best value. Note that a strategically used 30 day active would still net more SP under the current system.
3. If the nature of active boosters are changed, then we lose the 1.5x bonus when WP = SP after hitting cap. It's not a significant amount unless you play excessively but it does represent lost SP.
4. The rollover system only benefits players who do not reach cap for whatever reason. It seems odd to give the system an overhaul which only benefits players who do not play regularly enough to cap (<11 hrs per week), while hurting those players who do grind and still play after reaching cap (11+ hrs per week).
Why not? The Rollover system is perfect. As someone who up until recently was capping every week I feel that this is a benefit to everyone. If I have to go offline for a week or more due to being hospitalized or an overseas military deployment or go on vacation to a remote location and leave my PS3 at home then I am not at an immediate disadvantage by not playing and capping that week. As for the WP=SP after cap system I think that this is a less than desirable system too and should still be in play with the Rollover system for someone who has used all available SP in that SP pool. |
Mintqueer
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:00:00 -
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SoonTM @2020 |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.07.29 21:55:00 -
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Bump. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:51:00 -
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Bump. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:55:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:Taken from https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79256&p=3CCP Nothin wrote:Now, in regard to the weekly skill cap and the implications of it:
We acknowledge that the current implementation of the skill cap still isn't quite there yet. It doesn't quite allow people to choose when to play as freely as we would like, and it also adds some unnecessary complexity when it comes to using active boosters. This is why we are working our way towards a rollover SP system: instead having your pool of bonus SP being reset according to a fixed weekly cycle, you will steadily accumulate bonus SP to a pool over time that you can then empty through fighting in battles. As a result, everyone should be able to better choose when to come in and claim the available SP. Moving to such a system would have the added benefit of allowing us to make active boosters to give out a constant value over time by having them influence the rate at which SP accumulates into the pool instead of just multiplying SP received at the end of each battle. So, when is this coming? Vacation months are coming soon and I think everyone would appreciate to know if they're going to be able to spend some time in the sun this summer rather than grind SP to stay competitive. Also, what about all that missed bonus SP that players have since open beta (or Uprising), is it going to be added retroactively to this new SP pool? I think it's only fair since players would still have to play to get it all back. Please confirm that any missed bonus SP is going to be added back into this new pool once the change is deployed. Thank you P.S. How would passive boosters work with this new system?
It would be great to get an update regarding when the new system is projected to arrive. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:05:00 -
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It just amazes me how you guys keep asking for this stupid rollover system. The skill cap is a pointless thing. You play, you get rewards, simple.
Don't encourage CCP to implement fail ideas. Keep it simple: remove the cap. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:33:00 -
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The only fail idea is your post, thanks for nothing. |
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Summ Dude
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2013.08.12 03:27:00 -
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Yea this new system really would be nice to have. On the subject of removing the cap, that would probably be a bit extreme. I pretty much always hit my cap, but I understand it's necessity. I wouldn't want only the no-lives (such as myself) to be able to play competitively. That being said, I think a slight bump to the cap would be nice. Just because currently, you automatically get more in a week from passive (201,600 SP) than you can get from active (190,400 SP). Even just making them equal would make sense to me. It doesn't hurt to reward people for spending their time playing your game. |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:49:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:That being said, I think a slight bump to the cap would be nice. Just because currently, you automatically get more in a week from passive (201,600 SP) than you can get from active (190,400 SP).
What? Passive is 1000/hour = 24k/day = 168k/week. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:13:00 -
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Sponk is right. |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:31:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:Sponk is right. I wish we had sigs :/ |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.18 14:10:00 -
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I wish we had an official CCP rep answer this thread. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
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Posted - 2013.08.18 15:50:00 -
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SP cap rollover has been axed completely apparently.
[REQUEST] SP Cap Rollover - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1159285#post1159285 Status: We have no immediate plans to implement this, but we will keep players advised.
That's a far cry from 'We're working on it, this is a temporary system!'
8 months of waiting and we get this. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:33:00 -
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There is no official word on this yet, still waiting. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:58:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:some people are running around gunning everyone down unopposed. people will cry about proto gear and flaylocks. I am telling every one i meet in game a little secret. sticking together and squading up are nice but how would you like a real edge?
you can be unstoppable. I will be broadcasting how over teamchat this evening but for you loyal fans of chaos try this.
upon getting a black screen press down to open map,L1 for neocom, open playerlist. back out of everything and presto optic camo. no one can see you now. run and gun with glee I think this would be known as an exploit. Not sure what the remifycations are if they find people doing this type of thing intentionally but it is most definantly an exploit and i am sure its greatly frowned upon. I wouldnt take advantage of this unless you really dont care about possibly getting banned. But i dont work for ccp so my word is not official just a word of caution. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.08.19 07:04:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:SP cap rollover has been axed completely apparently. [REQUEST] SP Cap Rollover - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1159285#post1159285Status: We have no immediate plans to implement this, but we will keep players advised. That's a far cry from 'We're working on it, this is a temporary system!' 8 months of waiting and we get this. Yeah I'm not thrilled by this either. After this much time to me "advised" would include at least a vague "X number of months" ETA and some comment on where in the priority list this falls. Just because it's complicated or make take awhile to complete does not mean we should be keep so far in the dark about the issue that we cannot comment on it in an educated way. Player voice regarding the level of priority this feature holds is quite relevant and should be consulted not avoided.
0.02 ISK Cross |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:57:00 -
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Cross Atu there is no blue post in that thread, so we got nothing yet. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
2603
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:25:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:Cross Atu there is no blue post in that thread, so we got nothing yet. There is a bluepost. It's in the thread where they acknowledge feedback. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183160#post1183160 This is the relevant post. |
Exionous
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:39:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I've written and rewritten this post many times, and I've come to the conclusion that the present system should be maintained. Here is why.
1. Imagine the cap rollover was implemented. If this happens, the nature of active boosters would have to change. Because CCP wouldn't want someone accumulating 7 weeks worth of SP and hardcore grinding for 7 days, earning all that 1.5x boosted SP on a single 7-day active booster.
2. So active boosters are changed to increase the rate at which SP accumulates into the available pool. This is bad because short duration actives - 1-3 days - become worthless. If the 190,400 cap is maintained, that's 27200 SP daily, so the 1 day would grant 13600 extra SP, and the 3 day, 40800 SP. You would need to buy 30 day actives for the best value. Note that a strategically used 30 day active would still net more SP under the current system.
3. If the nature of active boosters are changed, then we lose the 1.5x bonus when WP = SP after hitting cap. It's not a significant amount unless you play excessively but it does represent lost SP.
4. The rollover system only benefits players who do not reach cap for whatever reason. It seems odd to give the system an overhaul which only benefits players who do not play regularly enough to cap (<11 hrs per week), while hurting those players who do grind and still play after reaching cap (11+ hrs per week).
Pretty much no matter what game it is, anyone that no-lifes the game for one day will come out significantly stronger. You can choose whatever game from the pool that has any kind of leveling in it: COD, BF, Dust, RuneScape (FagScape now),WOW, Everquest, anything can be powerleveled. Hell, this game is obviously powerleveled already; a friend of mine started a new account mid-July: today he has logistic Ck.0 and pretty decent modules. About a monthsworth of playing (note he's not a newb so he knew what he was doing, take that into account) and he already has arguably the strongest suit in the game.
Honestly, the new system will make powerleveling easier, but will help those who have jobs and tight schedules and can't have Dust as the main component of their life (power to the players if it is). |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1532
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:33:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:Cross Atu there is no blue post in that thread, so we got nothing yet. Arkena Wyrnspire has the link for you. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:39:00 -
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Damn, that's sad news then. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1532
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:47:00 -
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Alex Smoke wrote:Damn, that's sad news then. Yeah |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.20 01:05:00 -
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How can you treat your players like this? You ask us to vote and then you throw it in the dumpster? |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.01 23:54:00 -
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Bump. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
67
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Posted - 2013.09.09 00:51:00 -
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Bump. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
67
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Posted - 2013.09.13 12:33:00 -
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Don't you dare forget about this. |
Alex Smoke
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.30 02:39:00 -
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Bump, CCP you promised to keep us updated on this. |
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