Let the space monkeys come!

As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it.

Which are you talking to, freedom fighter?

The clone soldiers, whose souls either are free already or will be very difficult to free? The Amarrian authorities, of whom you might eventually kill a couple if you're skilled and lucky? The Amarrian Holders, who are of such rank as to be trusted by their society with the ownership of slaves?

Or, would that be the non-slave holding Amarrian common folk-- artisans, farmers, teachers-- Mr. "Horned Wolf" offers to slaughter?

If it is the last, you will have to speak louder. Few of them can access this forum to even receive your message.

They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us.

Soldier, being as I'm an Achur, my people have stolen no one that I'm aware of. And yes, the Amarr have a bit of a history-- but then, so do the Gallente. The Amarr conquered the Matari over a thousand years ago. This most recent war is not of Amarrian making-- but it is the product of a long-running Matari scheme to divert aid from the Gallente Federation to construct an invasion fleet.

Also, if the Amarr are that wicked, are you so sure you want to reach for their level of moral behavior?

Even though it started long ago, the amarr people still have a large segment of our population enslaved. If we have to sink into the mud with the empire so our people can be freed, then so be it, it's a necessary evil. However I don't see what the amarr/minmatar war has to do with the federation, please elaborate?

They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us.

They do have a sizeable percentage still enslaved, yes-- most of whom, if the recent release of many of them by order of the empress is any guide, are now faithful Amarr believers. The Amarr are not the only slavemasters in New Eden, nor the cruelest, but I do give them credit for being some of the most ... well, persuasive. Several generations of theological study and menial labor will break down most cultures very effectively.

All of that said, their methods are nothing to those of the Sansha.

The Amarr, were they to resume their Reclaiming at scrambler-point, would indeed be a threat to us all. But there are other issues in play.

You ask about the Gallente. The Caldari fight them (to put it in the most simplistic manner possible) because the Gallente stole the only home the Caldari have ever truly cared for-- their homeworld, Caldari Prime. The Caldari just call it "Home." The Gallente, of course, had their reasons.

That war may possibly be nearing its end, but until the Gallente are no longer a threat the Caldari will never side against the Amarr. They don't especially like slavery, but they have their reasons as well.

As you have yours, as the Amarr have theirs.

Soldier, respectfully, it appears that you want to play the hero's role in all of this-- even if you must martyr your soul to your cause, you seem to do it because you believe your cause is a just one. This universe of ours will not, itself, validate your actions. There will be no chorus of benevolent spirits if the Amarr fall-- and by now you are surely aware that the Amarr, too, believe their cause is just.

This universe does not love an idealist, soldier, because it, itself, holds no ideal. If you stain your hands with the blood of many blameless people, what you will accomplish is to poison your soul-- and by that, I do not mean that you will go to some spiritual domain to be punished.

I mean that your life will become a corruptive force, a stain, a blight on the lives of others, not least on those who follow your example and become blights themselves. It is our role to be swords in the hands of others, but you seem ready to volunteer to become a murderous weapon.

If that is your path, so be it. But there will be nothing heroic in what you do, or in the sacrifice you make of yourself.

And what's more, since Mr. Horned Wolf has bungled his calculations horribly, you won't even be serving your cause.

No hostile acts were commit toward you or your people. We wish to put you on the path to God's mercy and Salvation.

A tiny miscalculation for a small event, nothing compared to losing the majority of your fleet to a small squad of jove ships. Like the amarr, I do what I believe in, which deep inside you know is wrong, so we're both doomed to cursing those around us, so I will do what I can to give the empire a reason to let their slaves go. I weapon to dispatch the heretics which conduct themselves by tenants that support the torture of a people.

The caldari dug their own grave when they made hidden weapon bases, which when compared to the widely known ones, suggest for an attack against the federation. Look at it this way, if the federation didn't act, we would have the same situation except with caldari striking unprovoked.

Sansha only changes the mindset of his people, to make them enjoy killing. Also, he rewards his subjects, instead of torturing them less.

I would like to address your sansha references out of character because I let a bit of rp for another character leak.onto this one. (In character) every race has committed atrocities, but fighting the caldari wasn't one, and the ones performed daily by the amarr are arguably the worst. That attack wasn't of my design, I merely participated.

While our navy was weak then we now have our ships on par, if not better to the equivalent amarr ship. What makes them worse is not necessarily the religion, but it's use to justify horrible acts. That was only a basic hit and run plan, not too different from your methods of taking slaves.

I would like to address your sansha references out of character because I let a bit of rp for another character leak.onto this one.

every race has committed atrocities, but fighting the caldari wasn't one, and the ones performed daily by the amarr are arguably the worst. That attack wasn't of my design, I merely participated.

You fail to listen then, I am done with your arguments. I have accepted that my people hold slaves, explained to you why, explained to you our creed and views towards those who toil in God's name, I have given evidence of the brutality of the other nations, and I have accepted our own where proven.

Buy you do not listen.

I have listened but you haven't come close to solving my question, you never gave a concrete reason why enslaving is justified, only that you do it because a fiction novel said it's ok.

The enslavement of races is a part of our culture that dates back to the earliest of Amarrian histories it is our way of allowing the races to come to the same sense of realisation we did in the past through long toil and sufferage, it is our belief that with such trials overcome one can be closer to God and therefore responsible for their mortal soul.

"Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5

Once a race is deemed worthy it is inducted into the Empire as equals, as brothers and sisters and all of God's children. Such was done with the Ni Kunni and now they are a proud productive people within our great empire, such was the fate of the Ammatar who too have come to see God's design, and were once of the Matari peoples.

It is the goal of the Amarrian empire to extend the light of God's word to the furthest starts of this galaxy so that all the people of New Eden will be united by a single purpose and faith, and that in that blissful unity we may all know true peace, both in body and soul, in this life and in God's promised land.

So you say the it will be up to use Templars to stop you where you strike.

As you say we Templars may make use of similar tactics we can be anyone, anywhere, especially in Amarrian Space.

I am warning the upper Echelon of the Praetoriate as well speak of your claims, their influence is strong in Amarr space your goals will not be easy to achieve. Concord will also be notified of such claims and an appeal for aid against your cell will be filed. As well I have taken the steps to approach allied loyalist corporations to provide security services for the foreseeable future.

This is the true terror of uncontrolled Immortal Clones, such unrestrained tendencies for violence and hate, such will to complete acts of unspeakable evil, and all for one persons own cause.....

We Amarrian will do as well have always done

"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21

Templars? Let the Templars try to stop an immortal force that is well funded and supplied. I am not worried about a bunch of defective clones with no ISK and a head full of bad wiring. Please.

Concord? Those blood thirsty cadaver jockeys are too busy popping high sec-ers for being stupid to try to stop anything we do. They don't even have suits on the ground, how are they going to stop a mercenary force that can be anywhere at anytime?

I will provide assistance to any mercs or groups who want to fight for freedom. Giving life back to those who need it most is why I became a mercenary and I am ready to stand up and fight for freedom. Slavery is an cancer and should be removed. Quoting scripture and implying that slavery is justified by history of treatment still doesn't make slavery right. I will spend my eternity fighting for what is good and right not what is justified by a theocracy or tradition.

Freedom!

Templars? Let the Templars try to stop an immortal force that is well funded and supplied. I am not worried about a bunch of defective clones with no ISK and a head full of bad wiring. Please.

Concord? Those blood thirsty cadaver jockeys are too busy popping high sec-ers for being stupid to try to stop anything we do. They don't even have suits on the ground, how are they going to stop a mercenary force that can be anywhere at anytime?

I will provide assistance to any mercs or groups who want to fight for freedom. Giving life back to those who need it most is why I became a mercenary and I am ready to stand up and fight for freedom. Slavery is an cancer and should be removed. Quoting scripture and implying that slavery is justified by history of treatment still doesn't make slavery right. I will spend my eternity fighting for what is good and right not what is justified by a theocracy or tradition.

Freedom!

I may be from the Templar project but I am not a Templar like you, I am freedom fighter. I am glad your clone is more stable because it is not fun shooting a corpse. I understand your religious zealous but it doesn't make up for the oppression applied to to people who want freedom.

I doubt Concord has any special forces. Have you been on the battlefield? Recruits dying before getting a shot off and murder squads roaming in search of new clones. I have no faith in Concord or their ability to influence any conflict especially if it is in low security space or worse. They can't even stop freighters from being seized and destroyed at the busiest system in the galaxy.