DUST Search - Attack on Amarr colonies planned: massive casualties expected

21yrOld Knight wrote:

Well you caught me in my scheme. Yes you are right these attacks would do probably nothing but **** off the Amarr, creating a man hunt for the known attackers. I was simply saying those things to get Mr. Wolf to higher me. You have to understand a true mercenary, one not oriented by his beliefs except his belief in profit must have his employers convinced that they will fight for their cause. Seeing that you noticed a flaw I must tell you my real plan because I have no reason to continue pursuit for this job. My original plan was to sign up do very little during these attacks not be noticed as a attacker. If a assault went successful i would collect my pay and move on, not doing another job for Mr.Wolf. I want to make a profit not a loss in a weak cause. Yes that may be despicable but remember a true mercenary will always be despicable no matter what some one may think. We are made to kill nothing and bring ruin to others we will always be despicable. Someone will always think we're despicable.


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Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 2	Posted - 2013.07.07 16:33:00 - [1] - Quote There is a question whether our pseudo-immortality will cause us to value the lives of those who do not share it more, or less. This plan, and the apparent ease with which it has found cooperative soldiers from among our ranks, begins to suggest an answer. It was only a matter of time before someone noticed that the most obvious use of a soldier who can die again and again is to make a tool, a weapon, out of death. However, this plan will strike neither at those in power, nor at the Holders themselves. Most of what you will accomplish in this is to stain your hands and darken our future as clone soldiers. It is a pity.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 25	Posted - 2013.07.08 23:04:00 - [2] - Quote A few random casualties aren't of over-much concern in a setting where violence by terrorist actors, be they Matari, Sansha, or Sani Sabik, is common, where the dead are believed to ascend into the domain of the divine, and where public opinion elects ... no one. I have read your "update." It changes nothing. The Amarr are too accustomed to random, or not so random, acts of violence for the limited attacks of which you are capable to shake their security apparatus. It looks like you're basically picking a fight with the defenders of the realm, soldiers, and staining us with infamy. Other effects of your criminal acts are likely to be minimal. Do you actually want us all to be looked at like capsuleers, rich and inhuman?
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 44	Posted - 2013.07.10 02:22:00 - [3] - Quote Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: As you "free" our people from lives plagued be decisions, we'll continue freeing your souls to become one with you hoax, or "god" as you call it. Which are you talking to, freedom fighter? The clone soldiers, whose souls either are free already or will be very difficult to free? The Amarrian authorities, of whom you might eventually kill a couple if you're skilled and lucky? The Amarrian Holders, who are of such rank as to be trusted by their society with the ownership of slaves? Or, would that be the non-slave holding Amarrian common folk-- artisans, farmers, teachers-- Mr. "Horned Wolf" offers to slaughter? If it is the last, you will have to speak louder. Few of them can access this forum to even receive your message.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 44	Posted - 2013.07.10 02:50:00 - [4] - Quote Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: They are as innocent as the people you've stolen from us, you forget that it was the amarr that committed the first hostile actions towards civilians, not us. Soldier, being as I'm an Achur, my people have stolen no one that I'm aware of. And yes, the Amarr have a bit of a history-- but then, so do the Gallente. The Amarr conquered the Matari over a thousand years ago. This most recent war is not of Amarrian making-- but it is the product of a long-running Matari scheme to divert aid from the Gallente Federation to construct an invasion fleet. Also, if the Amarr are that wicked, are you so sure you want to reach for their level of moral behavior?
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 45	Posted - 2013.07.10 03:27:00 - [5] - Quote Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: Even though it started long ago, the amarr people still have a large segment of our population enslaved. If we have to sink into the mud with the empire so our people can be freed, then so be it, it's a necessary evil. However I don't see what the amarr/minmatar war has to do with the federation, please elaborate? They do have a sizeable percentage still enslaved, yes-- most of whom, if the recent release of many of them by order of the empress is any guide, are now faithful Amarr believers. The Amarr are not the only slavemasters in New Eden, nor the cruelest, but I do give them credit for being some of the most ... well, persuasive. Several generations of theological study and menial labor will break down most cultures very effectively. All of that said, their methods are nothing to those of the Sansha. The Amarr, were they to resume their Reclaiming at scrambler-point, would indeed be a threat to us all. But there are other issues in play. You ask about the Gallente. The Caldari fight them (to put it in the most simplistic manner possible) because the Gallente stole the only home the Caldari have ever truly cared for-- their homeworld, Caldari Prime. The Caldari just call it "Home." The Gallente, of course, had their reasons. That war may possibly be nearing its end, but until the Gallente are no longer a threat the Caldari will never side against the Amarr. They don't especially like slavery, but they have their reasons as well. As you have yours, as the Amarr have theirs. Soldier, respectfully, it appears that you want to play the hero's role in all of this-- even if you must martyr your soul to your cause, you seem to do it because you believe your cause is a just one. This universe of ours will not, itself, validate your actions. There will be no chorus of benevolent spirits if the Amarr fall-- and by now you are surely aware that the Amarr, too, believe their cause is just. This universe does not love an idealist, soldier, because it, itself, holds no ideal. If you stain your hands with the blood of many blameless people, what you will accomplish is to poison your soul-- and by that, I do not mean that you will go to some spiritual domain to be punished. I mean that your life will become a corruptive force, a stain, a blight on the lives of others, not least on those who follow your example and become blights themselves. It is our role to be swords in the hands of others, but you seem ready to volunteer to become a murderous weapon. If that is your path, so be it. But there will be nothing heroic in what you do, or in the sacrifice you make of yourself. And what's more, since Mr. Horned Wolf has bungled his calculations horribly, you won't even be serving your cause.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 47	Posted - 2013.07.10 04:35:00 - [6] - Quote Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: A tiny miscalculation for a small event, nothing compared to losing the majority of your fleet to a small squad of jove ships. Like the amarr, I do what I believe in, which deep inside you know is wrong, so we're both doomed to cursing those around us, so I will do what I can to give the empire a reason to let their slaves go. I weapon to dispatch the heretics which conduct themselves by tenants that support the torture of a people. Soldier, the Empire suffers worse effects from a single capsuleer attack or Blood Raider (or, gods forbid, Sansha) raid than Mr. Horned Wolf is likely to pull off with a year of planning. Killing civilians? Are you out of your poor minds already? We're virtually made for assassination, and you people want to kill civilians? Any fool with a modern sub machine gun can do that, abundantly. If you people wanted to make progress rather than a tiny bit of noise, you'd be contemplating which Holders to pick off in what order. That would be interesting, at least. This? This is just, well ... contemptible. Quote: The caldari dug their own grave when they made hidden weapon bases, which when compared to the widely known ones, suggest for an attack against the federation. Look at it this way, if the federation didn't act, we would have the same situation except with caldari striking unprovoked. Respectfully, the Caldari were setting up colonies rather than "weapon bases." One of those was my homeworld, Achura, which you may know as Saisio III. The Caldari uplifted the urban populations (in the sense of bringing them out of a preindustrial system and into a post-spaceflight age, not Sansha's version) and left the rest of us pretty well alone; we're still there. You seem to be rather attached to the notion of the Federation as heroes, soldier. And they do often like to think of themselves that way. Sadly, it's not true. They, too, are guilty of horrors, as they, themselves, will often admit. Quote: Sansha only changes the mindset of his people, to make them enjoy killing. Also, he rewards his subjects, instead of torturing them less. I knew someone, once, that the Sansha took, soldier. I knew him after, as well. Please believe me when I say that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Kuvakei "changes" the "mindset" of his people as an axe changes a log. What does it matter how damaged the psyche becomes if the damage cannot be expressed?... And then, if we are to believe his propaganda, he makes his victims immortal, as well. Broken, forever. There is no other fate in New Eden that compares.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 47	Posted - 2013.07.10 05:15:00 - [7] - Quote Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: I would like to address your sansha references out of character because I let a bit of rp for another character leak.onto this one. (( <-- OOC is usually indicated by double-parentheses, for future reference-- like these ones, here. --> )) ((It's also something we should avoid using much. The mods have been going a bit easy, but it's kind of a bad habit. That said, thank you for the clarification; I won't pursue it further.)) Quote: every race has committed atrocities, but fighting the caldari wasn't one, and the ones performed daily by the amarr are arguably the worst. That attack wasn't of my design, I merely participated. Soldier, you've seen orbital bombardment on a small scale. Those are destroyer-class vessels firing at us most of the time-- when it's not the even-less-formidable MCC. The Gallente bombarded Caldari Prime from orbit. They bombed the cities. The U-Nat party that held control at that time was a fascist faction, the Gallentean answer to the Templis Dragonaurs. They acted as such people will: brutally. The Amarr look on slavery as a sort of spiritual apprenticeship. Their faith grants their hardliners a sad sort of innocence; they do as they believe they should. The influence of their more reform-minded kin is growing, however, and has been for many years. Karin Midular understood this; it is sad that others of the tribes cannot. For my own part, I believe that the attempted destruction of the Matari culture is the more horrible act. The rest ... is mostly just people being people to one another. A few other examples of people being people: * The Blood Raiders will drain all of your blood for the sake (almost literally) of getting to know you better. Otherwise, they'll likely just enslave you. Can you imagine the Amarr without their belief in a compassionate and just deity? * The Angel Cartel fairly simply regards a human being as another piece of property to be looted and sold at auction. * Sansha Kuvakei thinks we should all stop fighting each other, and is prepared to take a hatchet to your psychology to persuade you that he's right. He's in the market for slaves, by the way. * The Caldari State normally grants no legal status to persons who have no corporate citizenship. To become a "nonentity" is to disappear from the system and become a non-person. The State doesn't practice slavery, however. * You may want to look into the way the Matari approach certain ill-omened voluval. * The Gallente have their own faith-- "freedom"-- and they want to spread it to everybody else, whether we want it or not. It's sort of an open secret that they tried to bring about the State's collapse for decades, essentially by selling holoflicks to the Caldari. The resulting revolt is what brought Tibus Heth to power. * The Equilibrium of Mankind thinks we shouldn't be in New Eden at all-- the equilibrium they're aiming for is the one you achieve between matter and antimatter: annihilation. * The Jove preached to the capsuleers about the conundrum of capsuleer benevolence versus the ridiculous capsuleer bodycount, then gifted them all with battlecruisers. ... I could go on, if you want me to?
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 71	Posted - 2013.07.13 06:24:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Again you have not come to this discussion with any intention other than to rail against those who uplifted you from filth, saved you from sin, and sought to preserve the purity of your immortal souls. You are an people filled with anger, such must be tempered for your own sakes. Our people suffer daily, war is not what we desire, it is but a means to and end, our suffrage is that we must strive every day to bring God's word to the furthest stars while heathens, false prophets, and misguided sinners seek to bring us down. The Caldari resentment of the Gallente stems from a similar source. Mr. Williams' words are unbalanced, templar, but, with respect, it is not difficult to imagine them coming from the lips of a Caldari, or an Achur. Those who seek to spread truths they consider universal must be prepared for the resentment of those who do not agree with their assessment.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 102	Posted - 2013.07.18 15:37:00 - [9] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Sign me up! A chance to free slaves is a chance for hope. The Amarr are weak, this task will be very easy to complete. They are loosing their war against the minmatar and the Templars are nothing compared to their enemy. I will make great profit from this attack sign me up. Well, now. This is interesting-- a man who was so very quick to declare his allegiance to the almighty ISK and to name this path as morally superior now volunteers with vigor to slaughter civilians? You would use the tactics of the disempowered (terrorism, a.k.a. "propaganda by deed") despite your position of strength as a clone soldier-- and you would use this tactic against a power structure that is uniquely unlikely to be swayed by it. In other words, you would befoul your soul to no purpose. How perfectly contemptible.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 106	Posted - 2013.07.19 03:21:00 - [10] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: Well you caught me in my scheme. Yes you are right these attacks would do probably nothing but **** off the Amarr, creating a man hunt for the known attackers. I was simply saying those things to get Mr. Wolf to higher me. You have to understand a true mercenary, one not oriented by his beliefs except his belief in profit must have his employers convinced that they will fight for their cause. Seeing that you noticed a flaw I must tell you my real plan because I have no reason to continue pursuit for this job. My original plan was to sign up do very little during these attacks not be noticed as a attacker. If a assault went successful i would collect my pay and move on, not doing another job for Mr.Wolf. I want to make a profit not a loss in a weak cause. Yes that may be despicable but remember a true mercenary will always be despicable no matter what some one may think. We are made to kill nothing and bring ruin to others we will always be despicable. Someone will always think we're despicable. Oh, spirits help me. Soldier, with all the respect I can muster under the circumstances ... there is a difference, a great difference, between being a mercenary and being lost. Even if you believe-- and I do-- that morality is relative, a soldier without principle is a pitiful creature: a weapon that cannot be depended on. We are not given this role only so that we can sate our greed. We are here to provide a service, something of value. Who would choose to buy a sword that cannot be relied upon to at least be a weapon in its master's hands? What would the purpose of such a sword be? And, gods, to be such a sword, to aspire to be such a sword...! You're quite right, soldier: to be a tool that serves only itself will always be seen as despicable.

Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 111	Posted - 2013.07.20 05:34:00 - [11] - Quote da GAND wrote: ah yes blind faith in a god you'll never see , used by the elite of your society to manipulate you to fight their wars, to enslave entire civilizations on behalf of your god Um. For the record, soldier, the Amarr Empire has existed in a more or less stable form for thousands of years. There aren't a lot of civilizations that can say that; as a tool for statecraft and social control, it appears that religion is kind of hard to beat.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 115	Posted - 2013.07.20 15:53:00 - [12] - Quote In other words, Mr. da GAND, he's a paladin, a holy warrior. It must be quite the lovely feeling for one who believes in divine providence: to be able to be martyred a thousand times for one's faith, and still come back for more. Nothing short of a miracle, really. Of course, there's that inconvenient bit about the rest of us also getting that same blessing.