0uter.Heavens' intent wasn't to help even the balance within LOI. Luckily, we have had one of your alts Radar in Hellstorm for some time and grew to love playing together. Your corp had a vote when it was first started, most and I won't say all of them mentioned linking up with LOI. Help the alliance: you send in your guys when the alliance needed them, yes. However, when ideas of helping other corporations take districts for them, you guys were nowhere to be found.(No one asked but we helped molane labe do just that when they asked.) I mentioned the war with ROFL almost a month ago, as of last week you actually started attacking the 2 of 9 districts that ROFL had left. A month ago... seriously? (]We attacked RoFL at the start) And your going to claim that you help the alliance. Evenly I would say the alliance supported your battles as much as you supported us. (Isn't that what an alliance is for?)

First ideas of LOI:
- To claim Bosena: Talked the day before PC came out, all agreed to take Bosena. WarRavens, Hellstorm and Molon Labe. had claimed districts their, we were right next to the Cronos. donut at that time. What does 0uter.Heaven do? Runs to Osvetur for reasons beyond us. Our reasons were training origionally but the timers that SI had on Bosena were untochable by 0.H making us unable to then go to bosena like HS wanted

Growing faster than needed:
- Initial attacks on Osvetur: The alliance was busy still attacking/defending Bosena before re-locating itself to what was ROFL territory. Our biggest fear from day was, was to not double up timers until we knew we had the willpower to do so. 0uter.Heaven: hit's multiple districts around the same time calling for alliance support, wasn't necessarily hard to do, but alliance having same timers for PC on attacks/defends, we came to your aid first because your opponents were more notable.

Attack on Hellstorm:
- The week before the attack Radar had initiated on Hellstorm, Radar mentioned to me that he wanted to set up a fight. I was cordial and agreed with it, talked about making it a weekly ordeal and I had told Radar we would need to wait to get the alliance situated in the territories we were still hitting and possibly with the release of Uprising 1.2. He had agreed to these terms, mainly on the terms of setting up a battle with both parties involved.Kira Lannister (sorry to throw you in the mix) was in a squad with Radar the day the attack was initiated, Kira had mentioned it's nice to have the week off of PC. The days before the squad of Kira and Radar had taken place, I was talking with Radar about giving my guys the week off. Radar then goes to attack us, the day before the PC battle, I get the luxury to be in his squad. I ask him about the attack and I quote, "I wanted to catch you off guard, I didn't want to give your guys time to prepare."
- - Personally, I didn't blow my steam when I heard this. However, when Punisher and Phoenix had saw the initiated attack and asked if it was scheduled, with the obvious answer or "No.", they were beyond pissed. Big back-stab to us essentially
- - - To top this off: Hellstorm wins, and then Radar has the balls to go on the forums to boast how 0uter.Heaven is still #1 here. As you can read from the posts surrounding this event, I personally feel like Radar should have no excuse for losing, and I also feel like whether he wanted to catch us off guard etc., he should of had the upper hand by filling a full 16.

Attack on TeamPlayers:
- 0uter.Heaven had attacked TeamPlayers, unsure of the exact date at this time, but when attacking TeamPlayers there was supposed messages sent to big wigs in TeamPlayers about it being 'friendly' fights. However, when talking to members out of TeamPlayers, nobody knows of these proclaimed messages. So now, 0uter.Heaven calls for alliance support for something they got themselves in. Coincidence? Think not. Our alliance values stand strong, if Hellstorm was to partake in these battles (which we did after we had talked to leaders of TeamPlayers and they gave us the OK), the EoN. and LOi war would of been official. 0uter.Heaven knew we were still finishing off ROFL, still situating the alliance in the new districts. And as an alliance stand point, we can not allow one corporation in the alliance to pull the whole alliance in without prior consent.

Removal of 0uter.Heaven:
- Seeing how leadership has been putting bricks into the brick wall that is now between 0uter.Heaven and LOI, thus the judgement was made to remove them. The alliance as noted, we stand strong on our values and will not allow one corporation to deminish the reputation or pull the alliance into something that has not been discussed.
- - Upon the removal of 0uter.Heaven, Hellstorm has had some players apply. After talking with many of them and even current players that are still in 0uter.Heaven, a lot are content with the decision and are frustrated with their leader. No offense to Radar, but he has caused this on his corporation.

Now here we stand two separate forces: talking with 0uter.Heaven members on a daily basis; a lot feel like it's not right to have the action of one person to cause for the influx of weight on their shoulders. I agree, but, when that one person is your CEO, there is not much we can do at that point.

One more thing Radar, if you would like to talk to me, don't send members from your corp to talk to me, talk to me like a man. You attack us on the forums, but in reality; you just played your hand. Best of luck, it's been fun.

However i do take full responsibility for the downfall of 0.H and the removal from Loi. You don't need to throw lies in to make HS look like angels. As far as players leaving to hellstorm its there decision to were they go i never tried to steal or poach players i offered them a new home and they accepted HS has done the same i find no fault in their actions only in my own as a CEO.

However i do take full responsibility for the downfall of 0.H and the removal from Loi. You don't need to throw lies in to make HS look like angels. As far as players leaving to hellstorm its there decision to were they go i never tried to steal or poach players i offered them a new home and they accepted HS has done the same i find no fault in their actions only in my own as a CEO.

EDIT2: Lots of claims to lies yet no proof or even claims to support them.

Leaves me to believe no lies were said and OH is just defending themselves from poor choices.

It is what it is. I will say this though, has O.H ever put down a corp or alliances? Whether we win or lose we acknowledge our opposition and tell em good game. Especially Radar and that alone should tell you the type of character he is. With that said, believe what you want to believe

Hello

I am suppose to believe someone who points a finger and says "LIAR?" Kujo took the time to write a large response to his reasoning - while OH won't even properly respond.

Idk what fairly tale you guys get that to believe these sort of responses are accept from a CEO but this thread a lone would of made me jump OH ship. A leader needs more then big guns. Ask Nikiia how his hot headed and finger pointing has been working for him.

Hello

I am suppose to believe someone who points a finger and says "LIAR?" Kujo took the time to write a large response to his reasoning - while OH won't even properly respond.

Idk what fairly tale you guys get that to believe these sort of responses are accept from a CEO but this thread a lone would of made me jump OH ship. A leader needs more then big guns. Ask Nikiia how his hot headed and finger pointing has been working for him.

First of all, Radar admitted his mistakes and then highlighted what is true and what is not true. Since you're new to the alliance, why don't you squad with different players and their input if you really wanted to know what happened. If you want to know who's telling the truth go talk to players that have played with Radar. Ask them if he would lie. Afterall, it is about integrity right? I guess we all should save our in-game mails and take a photo of our chat channel from now on lol. Enjoy your all out war with EON. Wait, didn't O.H get kicked because of that?

Sota Pop i know you love the forums the reason i had to edit so many times is cause after i posted i saw another lie and when i italizied it it made the whole thing in italics so i had to play with it till i found the problem. I am shocked kujo would post as many false statements as he did. However that doesnt change my mind mind that he is a great person and gamer doing the best he can with punisher for HS. I'm positive the reason he put some of those statements is because he talked with other people about them right after our brief conversation and it got jumbled up in his mind. As far as releasing a giant post to defend ourselves we have nothing to defend. I mean its pretty simple i messed up we got kicked what am i supposed to say other then what my OP was. No one gave me an explanation and still haven't but like i said its whatevs. Its nice to know that just about everyone would still like to have 0.H in their pockets because we may be down but we are not out.

radar, why even deal with these trolls? when the time comes. people will remember to respect 0.H.

radar, why even deal with these trolls? when the time comes. people will remember to respect 0.H.

Who is this Rampage guy anyways lol

How many corps have you said this for? Lmao.

Hello

I am suppose to believe someone who points a finger and says "LIAR?" Kujo took the time to write a large response to his reasoning - while OH won't even properly respond.

Idk what fairly tale you guys get that to believe these sort of responses are accept from a CEO but this thread a lone would of made me jump OH ship. A leader needs more then big guns. Ask Nikiia how his hot headed and finger pointing has been working for him.

kohmplex you say that **** one more time and me and you have beef. lol, have fun at DUST uni bro.

What was that Rampage I didn't hear you so take that **** out of your mouth lol

-.- you humble me sir.

However i do take full responsibility for the downfall of 0.H and the removal from Loi. You don't need to throw lies in to make HS look like angels. As far as players leaving to hellstorm its there decision to were they go i never tried to steal or poach players i offered them a new home and they accepted HS has done the same i find no fault in their actions only in my own as a CEO.

Wow, a week or so of War Thunder and I come back to this?

Radar, you where a good CEO. I didn't totally agree with everything in OH but I respect that your an ambitious player with a natural ability to lead. For your first run as CEO and the scope of what you where trying to do I think you did a damn good job. Don't let what should be a minor setback throw you. You are leadership material top rate.

The internal pressure to establish a pecking order with LOI members and the in house matches though where a mistake. LOI accepting the matches was also a mistake. That never should have happened.

As far as LOI claiming that they have not benefited from OH, that is as ridiculous as OH saying the same thing. There was hardly a day that went by without OH or LOI participating in each others PC battles. LOI is scary. OH is scary. LOI + OH is terrifying which is what much of the forum warring (and other warring) was all about. The truth is we didn't even have to be all that cohesive to benefit each other. We simply needed to be aligned. LOI members formally including OH getting into it only helps everyone else which is why I'm disappointed at this turn of events.

As far as Kujo taking shots at Radar though, it's one thing to say what happened, it's another to flame a kid on forums for doing his best. He at least owned his mistakes. -1 for sure, I really hoped you'd be the better man then to take a shite on everything we have done for LOI even if you think it's best we parted ways.

By the way, I'm one of those "non-notable" EVE pilots who put my ships at risk to help you in your endeavors, for pretty much nothing, along with Land Shark X, Noe Pain, Alex GreatOnes (Radar in space), 7, Archon, the Goggles Crew (who are friends of mine not even in house) namely Priest and Excruse, the Redline Coalition our -5 friends in low-sec and the LOI pilots who flew with us, Tre Howard, Zact Katelo, Ajax and Thew Aziz; I'm guessing they aren't "notable" either? You're lucky Genevieve threw out an olive branch to me the second this **** went down or that woefully ignorant statement would bite you in the ass. You have few friends in space. You don't need anymore enemies.

lol @ eve mattering for dust. Prove it - come bombard all my matches and see if the other side wins for once.

Lol without eve there wouldn't be dust

@sota cant OB a match your in cause we cant blow up the forums (SOONGäó) you should come squad with me and rei sometime though youll have alot of fun

@sota cant OB a match your in cause we cant blow up the forums (SOONGäó) you should come squad with me and rei sometime though youll have alot of fun