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Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:22:00 -
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loged in now just got 30 kills 15 deaths is that bad or good?? |
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:24:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:loged in now just got 30 kills 15 deaths is that bad or good??
Anything over 1.0 is over kill you just need to kill more then you die so that good. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1441
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:26:00 -
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Tbh, K/D doesn't matter. You can aim to make it better, which will never hurt you, but the only thing that really matters is getting on comms. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4450
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:27:00 -
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Bragging about a high KDR in this game is a little like showing off the candy you got by ripping off a babies head.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
528
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Bragging about a high KDR in this game is a little like showing off the candy you got by ripping off a babies head.
You get candy for ripping..off a ba-what? 
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
199
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:30:00 -
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Fans of Skirmish prior to Uprising will tell you, "No."
CCP thoroughly devalued that stat with broken stat trackers in that game mode.
Stats that matter:
ISK spent/WP earned/per Death |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
209
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:32:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Stats that matter:
ISK spent...per Death
As a dropship pilot where every death means 1.4 million lost I think your statistical measuring stick is useless. Try again. |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:34:00 -
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once you focus on KD your funfactor will fall 75%
I run mainly scout so I dont care bout KD I rush I kill I die
sometimes im positive sometimes negative but I have fun
and to me rushing the objective and enemys head on is fun
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
199
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:45:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Stats that matter:
ISK spent...per Death As a dropship pilot where every death means 1.4 million lost I think your statistical measuring stick is useless. Try again.
It may not be a flattering stat for pilots, but it directly relates to personal sustainability.
If you can't financially support your own role, it doesn't fall onto your corp to keep you in a flying marshmallow because you can't run a fictional personal budget. Then there's not being able to depend on your services because you have run Militia AR fits all week just fund your PC fittings. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty
EoN.
609
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:48:00 -
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For an assault anything over 2.0 is solid play to me. |
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Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
123
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:50:00 -
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No /thread |
Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:52:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:For an assault anything over 2.0 is solid play to me.
awesome |
Beld Errmon
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
Orion Empire
683
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:52:00 -
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Only stat that really matters is binary: are you having fun? yes/no
if having fun means having a great KDR to you then yes its important. |
imma monsta
OUT FOR BLOOD.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:58:00 -
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K:D measures your efficiency as a merc. True, fun is the primary goal. But, it shows that you can utilize the strategy to maximize your killing. But, that said, don't live and die by K:D.
Good Hunting! :] |
Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:04:00 -
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imma monsta wrote:K:D measures your efficiency as a merc. True, fun is the primary goal. But, it shows that you can utilize the strategy to maximize your killing. But, that said, don't live and die by K:D.
Good Hunting! :]
awesome since KD dosent matter then its fine if i jihad.. |
Callidus Vanus
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
82
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:04:00 -
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0.1 is good right? |
AAA Hellcab
Theia Orpheum
6
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:04:00 -
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Hell yeah K/D matters, especially the D, because it shows how much that guy has sacrificed for his team while decoying in a stunt dropship so that the enemy find it irresistible and swap to AV while his teammates can then swipe them up and get all the credit for the K. True heroes are modest though, so I'll say no more. |
Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:08:00 -
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anybody know what jihading is? LOL |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
ROFL BROS
229
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:14:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:anybody know what jihading is? LOL
running around with remote explosives diving into enemy lines and pilling the trigger in that moment right after death before the world goes black.
the last thing you see is
+50
+50
+50
+50 |
Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:24:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:anybody know what jihading is? LOL running around with remote explosives diving into enemy lines and pilling the trigger in that moment right after death before the world goes black. the last thing you see is +50 +50 +50 +50 on a side note this game is about profit, the game is pay (ISK) to win and if your team REALLY wants to win the objective then they can run full proto and die a million times to get it and they will win. on the other hand the only real objective is profitability being able to afford decent gear and knowing when to run it is key. so essentially its ISK/Death thats one of the most important metrics. K/D is a bad metric in this game because of how easy it is to just focus on K/D and skyrocket that one stat, but in return be completly useless in actually winning objectives very interesting
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Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:28:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:anybody know what jihading is? LOL running around with remote explosives diving into enemy lines and pilling the trigger in that moment right after death before the world goes black. the last thing you see is +50 +50 +50 +50 on a side note this game is about profit, the game is pay (ISK) to win and if your team REALLY wants to win the objective then they can run full proto and die a million times to get it and they will win. on the other hand the only real objective is profitability being able to afford decent gear and knowing when to run it is key. so essentially its ISK/Death thats one of the most important metrics. K/D is a bad metric in this game because of how easy it is to just focus on K/D and skyrocket that one stat, but in return be completly useless in actually winning objectives very interesting who cares about profit or wining i like blowin ppl up n pissin off proto suits
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
31
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:30:00 -
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K/D stat tracker didnt work for 3/4 of this games life.... so meh. |
darkiller240
INGLORIOUS-INQUISITION
35
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:34:00 -
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It depends-- For an assult K/D matter
For logi WP/M matters
For DS Pilot--- You get no Wp and die esaly soo umm Ho meny sniper can you transport per minute ?
Kinda suks cause that the best thing i can do in DS on public matches
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EKH0 0ne
Knights of No Republic
158
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:38:00 -
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people with a low kd say no people with a high kd say yes |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:03:00 -
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K/D = Epeen Measurement
W/L = Epeen Measurement
How well you do in corp battles and PC = Actual measure of skill as a Squad/Teamplayer
WP/M probably the best choice if you really want to look at stats
DS pilots will always be WP/K starved it's a part of the job. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1930
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:05:00 -
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No, it doesn't matter. Net ISK gain is all that matters.
I could go 5-15 using starter fits, but it won't matter because none of those deaths cost me anything. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
ROFL BROS
230
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:07:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:
who cares about profit or wining i like blowin ppl up n pissin off proto suits
i do that... only i do it profitably :P
watching proto suits fly high into the air is a hobby of mine while running around in my sever suit
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Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
547
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:14:00 -
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It is quite easy actually. ISK gets me suits, vehicles, skilla, buys clones, installations, soon it will buy me eve pilots. SP gets me skills, I cannot skillup without them but I don't necessarily have to play to get them.
KDR gets me, nothing, not a thing in this game can be bought with kdr. According to this thread, it doesn't even get you selfrespect. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
210
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:29:00 -
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K/D ratio is bad in the way it influences behaviour. It's also not something that tells you very much out of context about a player. I'd actually say unusually high K/D is more damning than unusually low, it belies a fixation that isn't useful.
Skirmish not tracking kills for the better part of a year also throws things off.
There are no visible stats currently that reflect what any given person contributes to their side. In the domain of pubs I suppose it would be a mix of general combat performance versus losses sustained... so ISK damages versus ISK losses maybe?
In a match with actual stakes the bottom line is combat performance and usefulness within whatever role is played. Anecdotal information conveys this better than stats ever would. |
Killar-12
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
14
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:34:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:It is quite easy actually. ISK gets me suits, vehicles, skilla, buys clones, installations, soon it will buy me eve pilots. SP gets me skills, I cannot skillup without them but I don't necessarily have to play to get them.
KDR gets me, nothing, not a thing in this game can be bought with kdr. According to this thread, it doesn't even get you selfrespect.
In Eve 1 billion ISK is Chump Change so you're not buying them they'll be buying you to do their dirty work. |
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Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
548
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:59:00 -
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DUST is meant to be an ISK sink to EVE. "They have too much isk". So yeah they will pay me to do their dirty work, at first. Then when DUST is flooded with EVE isk we will be buying eachother. |
DEATH KLOK
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:01:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:loged in now just got 30 kills 15 deaths is that bad or good??
hmmmmm idk ask this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMKxHCx3Hc |
SmileB4Death
Sugar Plum Fairies
125
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:11:00 -
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As soon as I stopped caring about K/D, I've had a lot more fun to be honest.
On a side, note I've saved a lot of money on controllers! I don't crush them anymore. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
262
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Bragging about a high KDR in this game is a little like showing off the candy you got by ripping off a babies head.
Man candy is expensive in your neighbourhood. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
896
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:34:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:loged in now just got 30 kills 15 deaths is that bad or good??
No. Never did. |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
231
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:44:00 -
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Of coursed kd matters you idiots.
Its an FPS.
But 99.9% of people who say it matters, play with it in mind so theirs doesn't matter because its manufactured. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2239
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:51:00 -
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With all the spawn camping and laser tag going on in Chrome, KDR is a useless stat because it wasn't reset for Uprising. |
Skipper Jones
ZionTCD
249
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:06:00 -
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I don't think it matters.
Considering that Most of this game's life wasn't recording Skirmish stats.
The thing that I hate is when people/corporations call you a bad player because of your KD
I'm perfectly fine with my 1.88 KD |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
363
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:10:00 -
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KDR > EVERYTHING |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4465
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:11:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:KDR > EVERYTHING
Let it rain. |
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Zelorian Dexter snr
DVC 514
0
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:18:00 -
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I guess KDR is useful if your anti infantry but I run AV medic so don't tend to kill that much but make 1500 to 2500 wp per match with a 4/1 so for me no |
Daylon Daxx
DUST University
Ivy League
55
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:27:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:anybody know what jihading is? LOL running around with remote explosives diving into enemy lines and pilling the trigger in that moment right after death before the world goes black. the last thing you see is +50 +50 +50 +50 on a side note this game is about profit, the game is pay (ISK) to win and if your team REALLY wants to win the objective then they can run full proto and die a million times to get it and they will win. on the other hand the only real objective is profitability being able to afford decent gear and knowing when to run it is key. so essentially its ISK/Death thats one of the most important metrics. K/D is a bad metric in this game because of how easy it is to just focus on K/D and skyrocket that one stat, but in return be completly useless in actually winning objectives
Hmmm...Jihad Scout.
Those points I put into explosives might be more useful than I thought. 
+1 |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2243
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:29:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:KDR > EVERYTHING
That's why I see so many 1337 players dropping out of matches. Screw winning and teamwork when you have to protoect how many times you've killed vs how many times you die. |
Palatinate
Ill Omens
EoN.
10
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:10:00 -
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I have a 5.55 KD as an assault and I always try to have fun in every game. I don't think KD is everything but it could be a factor to who can survive longer or who can cause more deaths to the enemy team. But as bragging rights? No. KD < Having fun!! |
Crow Splat
DUST University
Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:19:00 -
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It's all about isk made versus isk spent. Are you making more than you are spending?
If yes then you are a good mercenary. |
Karazantor
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:21:00 -
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No. As long as its 1.1 or over you have nothing to worry about.
Winning the objective is what counts. Making money isn't a bad thing either.
My main has a very good KDR but i'm not pretending it means much. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
General Tso's Alliance
91
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:28:00 -
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First thing I noticed about Dust that I love till this day. Your K/D does not matter!! Your performance and how you assist your team does! I love that. For one, it shuts down all that K/D talk from other multiplayer FPS games. Secondly, even the guy that is deemed to be not the active killer but a good team player gets some shine for a change.
Johnny Rambos don't exist...but a well trained cohesive team does. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
175
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:48:00 -
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If I'm running around in BPO, standard, and militia, while acquiring top standing warpoints, I couldn't care less about my KD.
When I play as scout, the ability to remain unnoticed and hack an objective is worth the death on the way out.
As a logi, if I bring 2 teammates from the dead before falling myself, that is a good death.
I have a lot of ISK and I get a lot of Warpoints.
Hi my name is Tallen, and I have a .64 KDR |
Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
13
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Posted - 2013.07.07 02:37:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:loged in now just got 30 kills 15 deaths is that bad or good?? Smart soldiers kill as many enemies as possible without taking risks. You are doing the right thing. |
Gilbatron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
99
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:08:00 -
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in new eden a single variable is important
winning in the long run
the only thing that matters is if your team wins or looses their strategic objectives
how you win or loose is completely irrelevant, if you reach your goal, you are good |
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Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:20:00 -
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way back in the day some Jedi told me its 10k kills @ 3.0+ ratio to achieve leet status.
but then he said only Jedi can hold 3.0 vs other 3.0 players,. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
45
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:31:00 -
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As a Scout my answer is NO. Though I do consider any match where I go positive a victory. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
432
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:34:00 -
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What matters is how effective you are. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
52
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Posted - 2013.07.07 03:39:00 -
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I killed you last night, so add that to your kd.
Lol just playing, I think it depends on ur roll, scouts may have bad kd but other than this build they could take 4/5 scalps before death so if I have my team behind me rush your squad kill half ur squad my squad kills the rest of you an takes the objective that's better than all of us dying cuz when my cheap fit dies to distract your squad of protos an my team hits an kills ur proto squad with a semi circle attack we lost 20 000 isk your squad lost a million.
In that case it's worth it |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.07.07 05:45:00 -
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People always say K/D doesn't matter but they are wrong because of generally 2 factors:
1) Most FPSes have a killstreak mechanism, you dying = feeding the other team's summonable weapon drops/UAVs/orbital strikes/etc etc. So dying directly advantages the enemy team.
2) You being face down in the dirt waiting for respawn means you are not there helping your team take/defend the objective from the enemy team, your team is now -1 gun. K/D is a measure of how much you cause the other team to be suffering this problem compared to how much you are imposing it on your own team.
In Dust we have the added factor of ISK in vs ISK out. Dying lots means you have less ISK to run your best fits and call your best vehicles when it matters.
So while KD may not be a measure of a good player (because it matters how you spent those deaths) it does have a direct effect on the game and your effectiveness as a team player.
PS: The other thing I find amusing is how EVERYONE on this forum allegedly has a 3:1 KDR which is an interesting mathematical conundrum. |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens
EoN.
288
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Posted - 2013.07.07 06:58:00 -
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Mean KDR of all players past and present is... 1.0 |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
ROFL BROS
232
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:08:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:
PS: The other thing I find amusing is how EVERYONE on this forum allegedly has a 3:1 KDR which is an interesting mathematical conundrum.
people who post on the forums are alot more likly to be better at the game than the people who dont, raising the overal K/Dr average of those who post on the forums.
we are a small minority of the active playerbase. |
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