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SILVERBACK 01
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:32:00 -
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does anyone else feel that playing their current "specialization" i.e logi, tanker,pilot... is getting very boring? seeing as we have had to play a specific skill set for a year now and im not to keen on playing that role for another 4 years...
"in CCPs 5 year plan"
unless they untilize optional respecs or "paid" respecs, the game is without diversity.
yeah sure its great advertising the game saying you can do this and that.. but you cant actually do that unless you skill into it
im bored of this game and i want to change up my game style.. but you woukd have me grind for another 2 years? to get my 17 mil sp back? and what of my sp i have spent on my old specialization??
until you input optional respecs your market and target audience will disappear... listen to the people who actually play the game and the fans.
to make the game successful in its first year of lauch respecs should be done monthly!! after that do what you want due to the ps4 coming out and noone will play this anyway.
said like a boss. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
376
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:34:00 -
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Thats why I started scouting. It can really change how you feel about the game just to invest some sp and try a new play style.
Can't wait for Gallente heavys so I can finally get fat. |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:35:00 -
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No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
945
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:36:00 -
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I think this has been discussed before, but hey, I can't get to the PS3 at the moment anyway, so...
I'm in favor of giving people the option to respec, at a significant cost isk/sp, with a cool down of 3-6 months or something. Perhaps AUR could be used to get the respec done after 3 months and before 6 months... as long as it did not reduce the cost of doing a respec.
So, penalties, limits on availability, and a way to use money to save time but not give any differential advantage in terms of your ability to use or acquire weaponry. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:36:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes.
who said anything about mistakes lol |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
945
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:37:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes.
Yeah, and we want to drive away every new player who makes a mistake and has to repeat months of effort because that is good for the game how? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4446
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:39:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. Yeah, and we want to drive away every new player who makes a mistake and has to repeat months of effort because that is good for the game how?
Your decisions mean nothing with CCP ninja nerfing and buffing everything in the damn game, altering the way the game itself plays.
The only people that don't want some way to fix mistakes or alter builds are EVE players that need to spy on enemy corporations to gain some kind of edge. Basically, they're mad that spreadsheets in space didn't quite translate to spreadsheets on the ground.
Damn shame. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
41
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:41:00 -
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partial respecs only for missing hulls, frames, turrets, and weapons (racial) and that's it. If you want something new, SKILL UP FOR IT. |
SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:41:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. Yeah, and we want to drive away every new player who makes a mistake and has to repeat months of effort because that is good for the game how?
exactly!... its like CCP love to shoot themselves in the foot or something??..
the profits they would make from paid repecs would be imense too, plus the appeal to more new players... CCP are you actually ********? or are you holding out for some big suprise?...
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aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
520
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:41:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. who said anything about mistakes lol
The reason everyone demanded a respecs when uprising was deployed was because people upgraded their skills blindly without reading it's effects and what it unlocks.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:43:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. who said anything about mistakes lol The reason everyone demanded a respecs when uprising was deployed was because people upgraded their skills blindly without reading it's effects and what it unlocks.
wrong, the respecs were handed out due to a fkd up skilltree and improper labeling of skills. which also came with complaints of der hur I don't know what i'm doing |
SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:44:00 -
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i cant actually see the problem with respecs?? WHY THE F NOT?
just put i timer on it like deleting a character.. maybe 30 days etc.. til you can respec again, maybe 3 months
get a grip
CCP/
DEVS?
CPM?
ANSWER? |
Stephen1st
Dogs of War Gaming
DARKSTAR ARMY
2
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:47:00 -
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if you want to do new role just start spec in to it. . On outfit it only cost around 3 mili to get to proto if you a logi or heavy it cost even lest to just switch over to the other one. You only need to get core skill once unless you switch over from outfit to lav or dropship .
wepon about half milion to spec in to use them in 1.5 mili to get damge max. then made 2 mili to get rest of it max. I haven't look at it. Doesn't take long to start spec in to something elze unless you try to max it.
I got a lvl 1 assuit suit just cause I want to try it out it only cost me what under 40k. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
392
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:48:00 -
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You are right.
In order to placate the dweebs it would have to be like once a year. They like severely hobbling new players and then chasing them away.
Who knows whats on the agenda? Respecs haven't done the catastrophic damage that causes retaliatory tears as of yet.
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SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:48:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:partial respecs only for missing hulls, frames, turrets, and weapons (racial) and that's it. If you want something new, SKILL UP FOR IT.
SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS..
iv skilled up into heavy hmg because i play best with that.. suddenly a bunch of major nerfs hit and my gameplay is ruined
all my skill points are wasted and i have to wait another year to specialize into anything else???
if thats what your saying AIZEN then this game has already failed., |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:49:00 -
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SILVERBACK 01 wrote:i cant actually see the problem with respecs?? WHY THE F NOT?
just put i timer on it like deleting a character.. maybe 30 days etc.. til you can respec again, maybe 3 months
get a grip
CCP/
DEVS?
CPM?
ANSWER?
They could do it on a timer , similar to atrribute point respecs on Eve Online. you got 1 every 6 months or a year I can't remember and I believe you had the option to purchase an early one once with aurum at one point in time ( not 100% sure on the last part). This is not Eve , as ccp has shown with many things already.. if you want your immersion to stay the same, stay in eve. This game needs a crowd other than just the ccp fans from past years , and many do not like the thought of a 7 year grind.. let alone the 25 year grind of eve |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:49:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aden slayer wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. who said anything about mistakes lol The reason everyone demanded a respecs when uprising was deployed was because people upgraded their skills blindly without reading it's effects and what it unlocks. wrong, the respecs were handed out due to a fkd up skilltree and improper labeling of skills. which also came with complaints of der hur I don't know what i'm doing
Thats right.
People didn't know what they were doing because they were excited to get back into the game quickly.
BTW what happen to the phase "adapt or die" |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4446
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:51:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:BTW what happen to the phase "adapt or die"
CCP ninja nerfed it and altered the way it works, so now those who adapted are dieing and those who died are still dead.
Hard to adapt when your groundwork is constantly shifting all around you.
One day we'll get into official release though, and we may just finally begin having SOME kind of meaning to our decisions. Right now, if you've spent ANY of your SP, you're playing DUST wrong. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:52:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aden slayer wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. who said anything about mistakes lol The reason everyone demanded a respecs when uprising was deployed was because people upgraded their skills blindly without reading it's effects and what it unlocks. wrong, the respecs were handed out due to a fkd up skilltree and improper labeling of skills. which also came with complaints of der hur I don't know what i'm doing Thats right. People didn't know what they were doing because they were excited to get back into the game quickly. BTW what happen to the phase "adapt or die"
It got over used to the point of having no point |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
948
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:54:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Thats right.
People didn't know what they were doing because they were excited to get back into the game quickly.
BTW what happen to the phase "adapt or die"
Adapt your position to accommodate new players or the game will die. Adapt or die. Still works.
I don't think anyone is thinking they should be often or that they need to be free -- you'd pay for your need to respect with isk/sp.
We need to stop arguing from an ideological standpoint and be little more pragmatic to the reality we face. |
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loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:54:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes.
It's not a mistake if you skill all the way into something figuring that there's got to be something good in the end game to realize the class is just BAD.
RESPECS!!! |
SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:57:00 -
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more like adapt or play BATTLEFIELD 4?
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
392
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:58:00 -
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SILVERBACK 01 wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:partial respecs only for missing hulls, frames, turrets, and weapons (racial) and that's it. If you want something new, SKILL UP FOR IT. SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS.. iv skilled up into heavy hmg because i play best with that.. suddenly a bunch of major nerfs hit and my gameplay is ruined all my skill points are wasted and i have to wait another year to specialize into anything else??? if thats what your saying AIZEN then this game has already failed.,
I know a bunch of people who quit playing because of AR514. When you take a hit to your Mains playstyle what are you gonna do? Play a slaughterfest where your the main course? Grab a FOTM and become the scum you hate?
Its not fun or satisfying and only a fool would waste their time. C'mon, thats why all the newbs are leaving. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
199
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:00:00 -
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10,000,000 ISK
Available once every 30 days.
SOONGäó
Let the mortal neckbeards worry about what is done in a "lifetime". |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
87
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:01:00 -
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I don't see why CCP won't allow optional respec.
They could charge $10 per respec and make a ton of money from people who keep swtiching around.
It also doesn't give anyone an advantage over others because it doesn't give you more SP. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
949
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:05:00 -
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I still favor a timer or cooldown... even with isk AND sp cost for a respec. Pay to reduce timer... no other effect. |
Cy Clone1
Ill Omens
EoN.
41
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:06:00 -
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using tanks got boring so i skilled into every other vehicle type. dropships are fun. |
SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:08:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:using tanks got boring so i skilled into every other vehicle type. dropships are fun.
if you like getting one shotted? |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:11:00 -
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This is probably the last message I will post in this thread.
The last time we got a respec was because both CCP and us messed up.
But now some of you are asking for another respec is because you messed up not CCP.
Dust was designed to make you pay for wrong choices.
Drive a tank a in a match with Proto AV users, you will pay for it.
Run out of ammo without a nanohive, you will pay for it.
Invest your SP in the wrong skill, you will pay for it.
So will all of you just man up and admit you screwed up?
Therefore my answer is no to another respec.
This is dust's logic. Pay for your mistakes. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
29
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:13:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes.
Dude ...
It IS MY mistake when I spawn with a sniper rifle in a location that I picked and that I know is in the middle of a bunch of reds.
It IS MY mistake when I walk across a very open part of a map without looking around for red vehicles zooming toward me.
It IS MY mistake when I stand at a drop uplink in full view of reds.
It IS MY mistake when I make a nanohive and crouch beside it in full view of reds.
It IS MY mistake when I sit in one place for too long when I'm sniping.
BUT
It IS NOT MY mistake when the game gets changed by someone else in an update or new version.
Munch |
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SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:14:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:This is probably the last message I will post in this thread.
The last time we got a respec was because both CCP and us messed up.
But now some of you are asking for another respec is because you messed up not CCP.
Dust was designed to make you pay for wrong choices.
Drive a tank a in a match with Proto AV users, you will pay for it.
Run out of ammo without a nanohive, you will pay for it.
Invest your SP in the wrong skill, you will pay for it.
So will all of you just man up and admit you screwed up?
Therefore my answer is no to another respec.
This is dust's logic. Pay for your mistakes.
DUST will pay for there arrogance and your precious game will be cancelled lol...silly boy
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SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:15:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. Dude ... It IS MY mistake when I spawn with a sniper rifle in a location that I picked and that I know is in the middle of a bunch of reds. It IS MY mistake when I walk across a very open part of a map without looking around for red vehicles zooming toward me. It IS MY mistake when I stand at a drop uplink in full view of reds. It IS MY mistake when I make a nanohive and crouch beside it in full view of reds. It IS MY mistake when I sit in one place for too long when I'm sniping. BUT It IS NOT MY mistake when the game gets changed by someone else in an update or new version. Munch
boom!! headdshot lol
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aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:27:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. BUT It IS NOT MY mistake when the game gets changed by someone else in an update or new version. Munch
I agree. But I want to respectfully counter this point by asking you this.
Do you take note of the changes that were made in the patch notes on whats buffed, nerfed or changed? And did you prepare yourself for the changes.
If no than there is no point in us to argue as it will go nowhere. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
950
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:31:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:I agree. But I want to respectfully counter this point by asking you this.
Do you take note of the changes that were made in the patch notes on whats buffed, nerfed or changed? And did you prepare yourself for the changes.
If no than there is no point in us to argue as it will go nowhere.
LOL at folks who think they'll never make a mistake so nobody should ever make a mistake. It's not how the real world works. Step back from the ideology and try looking at the reality we face -- we need to retain players so CCP can eventually make a profit with Dust.
If that doesn't happen you stick to your ideology at the cost of having something around for a long time. I, for one, don't give a crap how much you like your ideology -- it isn't mine and I don't have to live by it. |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:39:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:aden slayer wrote:I agree. But I want to respectfully counter this point by asking you this.
Do you take note of the changes that were made in the patch notes on whats buffed, nerfed or changed? And did you prepare yourself for the changes.
If no than there is no point in us to argue as it will go nowhere. LOL at folks who think they'll never make a mistake so nobody should ever make a mistake. It's not how the real world works. Step back from the ideology and try looking at the reality we face -- we need to retain players so CCP can eventually make a profit with Dust. If that doesn't happen you stick to your ideology at the cost of having something around for a long time. I, for one, don't give a crap how much you like your ideology -- it isn't mine and I don't have to live by it.
I didn't said i don't make mistakes and i was one of the many who requested for a respec the last time because i screwed up.
and i didn't ask you to live by my ideology nor did i force you to do it.
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:45:00 -
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I went proto light frame
one level from proto medium frame
and im almost at advanced racial logi
this way I cant get bored |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
951
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:49:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:I didn't said i don't make mistakes and i was one of the many who requested for a respec the last time because i screwed up.
and i didn't ask you to live by my ideology nor did i force you to do it.
So, should people pay forever for a mistake or should they eventually be able to get past it? The idea is about "cost" of the mistake and how much is enough. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
394
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:50:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:I went proto light frame
one level from proto medium frame
and im almost at advanced racial logi
this way I cant get bored
Play a skirmish or two. Guaranteed boredom.
well you could participate in all that exciting not coming out of the redline. i bet thats fun |
loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:52:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:This is probably the last message I will post in this thread.
The last time we got a respec was because both CCP and us messed up.
But now some of you are asking for another respec is because you messed up not CCP.
The problem is you say yourself that both CCP and US messed up. The problem is that the respecs were done with a timeline and not everyone got theirs. When the new patch came out I went full on scout and could not remotely compete with the new logis so I took off for over a month and did not play a single game. I come back and I see that there has been a targeted respec for those that messed up.
The worst part is I did not mess up per say. Scouts used to be somewhat viable but now they are not and I had no way of knowing that other than skilling into it. If there is a balance issue people cannot be held responsible for believing that things are equal but different regardless of your choise. So you got yours, good for you.
I DID NOT GET MINE AND I WANT IT. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:57:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:I went proto light frame
one level from proto medium frame
and im almost at advanced racial logi
this way I cant get bored Play a skirmish or two. Guaranteed boredom. well you could participate in all that exciting not coming out of the redline. i bet thats fun
all I play are merc battles
when I solo I play domination or skirmish in instant
I have adv swarms for fun proto submachine gun for fun adv AR for boredom
1 fit I have alot of fun in is adv swarm submachine gun and flux
theres so many options out there people are just worried bout KDR
to try some fun loadouts
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Name York
Ill Omens
EoN.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:03:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:10,000,000 ISK
Available once every 30 days.
SOONGäó
Let the mortal neckbeards worry about what is done in a "lifetime".
This. I would also go one step further to hit on the newbie mistakes/finding their play styles, and would suggest 2 free bonus respecs to be available for use prior to hitting 5(?) million sp. at 5(?) mil sp, the 2 bonus respecs are null and void, thereafter requiring them to pay the designated isk amount and put on the 30 day cool down before being able to switch again.
Keeping pc in mind, respecs without a decent cool down, even with absurd isk costs, would not stop some corporations that have plenty of money from dishing out isk for its A team to be 100% ready for their next opponent, which respecs at will would put any corporation fighting the wealthy corporations at a severe disadvantage.
Making respecs cost aur could only work if it had a timer as well. Perhaps a isk and aur option with a 30 day cool down? We have aur weapons and their isk counterparts; why not for the respec? Most players could probably afford the isk cost, but maybe Joe Schmoe is really bad with this shotgun scout he's plugged 5 million sp into, and is absolutely broke. Let joe use some of that aurum he got from the mercenary pack to switch to a caldari logi with a douvolle (lol).
Eh, just a thought. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2198
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:06:00 -
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SILVERBACK 01 wrote:does anyone else feel that playing their current "specialization" i.e logi, tanker,pilot... is getting very boring? seeing as we have had to play a specific skill set for a year now and im not to keen on playing that role for another 4 years...
"in CCPs 5 year plan"
unless they untilize optional respecs or "paid" respecs, the game is without diversity.
yeah sure its great advertising the game saying you can do this and that.. but you cant actually do that unless you skill into it
im bored of this game and i want to change up my game style.. but you woukd have me grind for another 2 years? to get my 17 mil sp back? and what of my sp i have spent on my old specialization??
until you input optional respecs your market and target audience will disappear... listen to the people who actually play the game and the fans.
to make the game successful in its first year of lauch respecs should be done monthly!! after that do what you want due to the ps4 coming out and noone will play this anyway.
said like a boss.
Why would you want to drop your current specializations? Having many specializations is what makes your character more versatile. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4447
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:09:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Why would you want to drop your current specializations? Having many specializations is what makes your character more versatile.
Only if you have a boat load of SP, otherwise it just makes you a liability. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
394
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:09:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:SILVERBACK 01 wrote:does anyone else feel that playing their current "specialization" i.e logi, tanker,pilot... is getting very boring? seeing as we have had to play a specific skill set for a year now and im not to keen on playing that role for another 4 years...
"in CCPs 5 year plan"
unless they untilize optional respecs or "paid" respecs, the game is without diversity.
yeah sure its great advertising the game saying you can do this and that.. but you cant actually do that unless you skill into it
im bored of this game and i want to change up my game style.. but you woukd have me grind for another 2 years? to get my 17 mil sp back? and what of my sp i have spent on my old specialization??
until you input optional respecs your market and target audience will disappear... listen to the people who actually play the game and the fans.
to make the game successful in its first year of lauch respecs should be done monthly!! after that do what you want due to the ps4 coming out and noone will play this anyway.
said like a boss. Why would you want to drop your current specializations? Having many specializations is what makes your character more versatile.
I thought you specialised in copy and paste. and fully upgraded douchbaggery |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
31
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:59:00 -
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aden slayer wrote:Poonmunch wrote:aden slayer wrote:No respecs ever again.
Learn to live with your mistakes. BUT It IS NOT MY mistake when the game gets changed by someone else in an update or new version. Munch I agree. But I want to respectfully counter this point by asking you this. Do you take note of the changes that were made in the patch notes on whats buffed, nerfed or changed? And did you prepare yourself for the changes. If no than there is no point in us to argue as it will go nowhere.
Fair question.
I do take note of upcoming changes, and I think many of us do.
CCP does announce things but they always sell them as good tweaks and desirable additions. And often they are. The ones that are described as "adjustments" always worry me, though. What type of "adjustment"? A save-your-SP-because-you're- getting-a-free-colonoscopy adjustment? Or a spend-those-SP-now-so-you-can-give-someone-else-a-free-colonoscopy adjustment?
I've never seen an announcement that says a change will be a negative one and that people who put SP into a skill or skill tree made "bad decisions".
That would be hilarious: "We are making alterations to the effectiveness of X so we can poke fun at people who specced into X in good faith or bought them for Aurum (real world money). Then we can throw out a SOON (tm) and charge them more Aurum to undo their mistakes."
And sometimes changes are not what we (and maybe CCP) expect. Changes that sometimes have negative consequences that become apparent after they get tested in a real environment. Can these be modified or rolled back? Yes. But you might have to wait weeks or months before they get to it (again, SOON (tm) comes to mind).
Meanwhile the people who have the "right" SP balance benefit for the "good decisions" they made. "Good decisions" which are nothing more than good luck. I've seen some of these people gloating in the forums about the "good decisions" they made and the "poor decisions" everyone else made.
In fact, some of these people admit that they used the last respec but they are now completely against a new one.
And don't forget that final changes are announced just before update releases. Sometimes only a few days before.
This kind of makes it hard to know where to spend the 2,000,000 SP you earn in the month before the update. Could I save them? Sure. But then I get dominated by the people who made "good decisions" at or before the last update. Either way I'm at best a month behind. And who knows what changes will come the next month?
I completely respect your point but I'm not talking about people who change their minds about the choices they made because they want to try something different.
There are many good suggestions about how to handle this but I'm totally against anything that costs Aurum (real world money) to fix a mistake or capricious change made by CCP.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Darken-Sol wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:SILVERBACK 01 wrote:does anyone else feel that playing their current "specialization" i.e logi, tanker,pilot... is getting very boring? seeing as we have had to play a specific skill set for a year now and im not to keen on playing that role for another 4 years...
"in CCPs 5 year plan"
unless they untilize optional respecs or "paid" respecs, the game is without diversity.
yeah sure its great advertising the game saying you can do this and that.. but you cant actually do that unless you skill into it
im bored of this game and i want to change up my game style.. but you woukd have me grind for another 2 years? to get my 17 mil sp back? and what of my sp i have spent on my old specialization??
until you input optional respecs your market and target audience will disappear... listen to the people who actually play the game and the fans.
to make the game successful in its first year of lauch respecs should be done monthly!! after that do what you want due to the ps4 coming out and noone will play this anyway.
said like a boss. Why would you want to drop your current specializations? Having many specializations is what makes your character more versatile. I thought you specialised in copy and paste. and fully upgraded douchbaggery Wrong guy. That was an impersonator with a similar name. You're jabbing the original.
To the subject:
Balance issues are balance issues and have nothing to do with respecs.
Faulty descriptions are faulty descriptions and have nothing to do with respecs.
Bugs are (you guessed it) bugs and have nothing to do with respecs.
The SOONGäó coming economy can not even begin to work if there are about ten items that everyone wants one day and ten other items the next day because someone figured out a fit that does 3% more dps or CCP made miniscule changes. It can't operate with crash after crash after crash. Industrialists will not engage in such a hazardous and volatile environment.
Longetivity is harmed because people will just try everything out, stick with what they like and get bored either way. It's the time it takes that makes people appreciate their new gun/role. It took not even two days until people got fed up with their new stuff and the first new respec demands surfaced to get back to FOTM or switch to Flaylock.
Respecs devaluate all SP beyond about 15m because diversity is no longer earned through dedication and time but through isk or even AUR, making the SP system a short powergrind to some threshold and then meaningless. Boy, do i love grinding for the sake of it, rather than for it to transport meaning and weight into my decisions.
They deny new players the possibility to compete with completely new roles, as vets can just respec to ensure their dominance in everything indefinitely. Everything usefull, efficient or fun will already be occupied by vets who didn't have to play or even think for a second to earn it. This scares new players away as they feel useless and late no matter what and bores vets because there's virtually no possible challange that they could encounter, other than turf wars/meta (against other bored vets). |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:08:00 -
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Lazy.
Nothing stopping you from branching into a whole new SECONDARY skill right now, without a respec.
You just can't flip the "Easy Button" and start fully maxxed out in it. You have to earn it like everyone else.
You say you're bored? Well, now you have something to do.
Then you'll have TWO roles to choose from.
You know, next time you get bored.
You're welcome.
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