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        |  Makyre Vahliha
 GamersForChrist
 Orion Empire
 
 218
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:20:00 -
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 I couldn't find a list of the comprehensive, comparable pros and cons of all the racial scouts. If there's not one available, perhaps you guys can tell me which is the best? Especially when it comes to using sniper rifles. I'm a Gallente at heart, but I've been tinkering with the Amarr and the Minmatar scouts lately. Let me know. Thanks!
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        |  Maken Tosch
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 3058
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:22:00 -
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 There are no Amarrian scouts in the game yet. But Minmatar seems to be doing very well with the knives.
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        |  mollerz
 Minja Scouts
 
 599
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:31:00 -
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 Minmatar aka the minja is assassination.
 
 Gallente aka the ganja is recon.
 
 Caldari aka the canja is [REDACTED].
 
 Amarr aka the amanja is [REDACTED].
 
 So it comes down to your play style.
 
 The ganja only has 1 high slot at the proto level- and is seen as a disadvantage.
 
 I play a Minja and it is pretty fun with IshNoks (aka proto knives). Their proto suit is hampered by poor CPU even when your skills are maxed out. I am down to maxing out my sidearm operation, light weapon operation, and explosives skills to lv 5 just to eek out every last bit of CPU savings. trust me- it is a long road to making a minja proper.
 
 I kind of feel like a ganja is easier to play initially.
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        |  ladwar
 Dead Six Initiative
 Lokun Listamenn
 
 704
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:34:00 -
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 best scout ever LLAVs.
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        |  Makyre Vahliha
 GamersForChrist
 Orion Empire
 
 218
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:38:00 -
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 mollerz wrote:Minmatar aka the minja is assassination.
 Gallente aka the ganja is recon.
 
 Caldari aka the canja is [REDACTED].
 
 Amarr aka the amanja is [REDACTED].
 
 So it comes down to your play style.
 
 The ganja only has 1 high slot at the proto level- and is seen as a disadvantage.
 
 I play a Minja and it is pretty fun with IshNoks (aka proto knives). Their proto suit is hampered by poor CPU even when your skills are maxed out. I am down to maxing out my sidearm operation, light weapon operation, and explosives skills to lv 5 just to eek out every last bit of CPU savings. trust me- it is a long road to making a minja proper.
 
 I kind of feel like a ganja is easier to play initially.
 
 Exactly how does a...ganja use recon?
 
 I have never used knives, because I always thought that it would be difficult getting up close to an enemy without them hearing or seeing me before I hit them.
 
 I'm curious which is better for using sniper rifle, minja or ganja? Thanks.
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        |  Zedra Faiolin
 Ill Omens
 EoN.
 
 3
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:40:00 -
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 'Best' is always going to be relative, but based on the 2 current scouts available and your current provisions for narrowing down which 'Best' you are looking for it comes down to 1 of 2 questions.
 
 1. Do you prefer to get into a spot to snipe from as quickly as possible?
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 2. Do you want to be able to increase the damage output of your sniper rifle regardless of how beneficial it is / have some shield tank to fight the few people that will come to find you?
 
 
 If 1, out of the current options, your preference would lean towards gallente.
 If 2, out of the current options, your preference would lean towards minmitar.
 
 If you want to be able to dabble into CQC go minmitar regardless of 1 / 2. Gallente's only really strength at this point in the game would be running, which is near useless by itself, in the current state of game. It might be decent for AV vs tanks if stacking damage mods on the 5slot high logi suit wasn't such a viable option for making really good swarm fits.
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        |  Oso Peresoso
 RisingSuns
 
 130
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:43:00 -
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 for sniping your better off as an assault suit with mobility/stamina upgrades. You'll be just as mobile, have more armor, and still have more highslots for damage mods.
 
 People always talk about Minja assassins, but from what I've seen in game they aren't used much or aren't very convincing.
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        |  Absoliav
 Tronhadar Free Guard
 Minmatar Republic
 
 9
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:47:00 -
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 Makyre Vahliha wrote:mollerz wrote:Minmatar aka the minja is assassination.
 Gallente aka the ganja is recon.
 
 Caldari aka the canja is [REDACTED].
 
 Amarr aka the amanja is [REDACTED].
 
 So it comes down to your play style.
 
 The ganja only has 1 high slot at the proto level- and is seen as a disadvantage.
 
 I play a Minja and it is pretty fun with IshNoks (aka proto knives). Their proto suit is hampered by poor CPU even when your skills are maxed out. I am down to maxing out my sidearm operation, light weapon operation, and explosives skills to lv 5 just to eek out every last bit of CPU savings. trust me- it is a long road to making a minja proper.
 
 I kind of feel like a ganja is easier to play initially.
 Exactly how does a...ganja use recon? I have never used knives, because I always thought that it would be difficult getting up close to an enemy without them hearing or seeing me before I hit them. I'm curious which is better for using sniper rifle, minja or ganja? Thanks. 
 Actually, none of the Scout suits support sniping, the best thing to do is to use a Logistic suit, they are more suited for sniping, not saying Scouts can't snipe, it's just that none of the Scout perks help you in sniping, other than the lower Suit Profile.
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        |  Makyre Vahliha
 GamersForChrist
 Orion Empire
 
 218
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:56:00 -
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 Zedra Faiolin wrote:'Best' is always going to be relative, but based on the 2 current scouts available and your current provisions for narrowing down which 'Best' you are looking for it comes down to 1 of 2 questions.
 1. Do you prefer to get into a spot to snipe from as quickly as possible?
 or
 2. Do you want to be able to increase the damage output of your sniper rifle regardless of how beneficial it is / have some shield tank to fight the few people that will come to find you?
 
 
 If 1, out of the current options, your preference would lean towards gallente.
 If 2, out of the current options, your preference would lean towards minmitar.
 
 If you want to be able to dabble into CQC go minmitar regardless of 1 / 2. Gallente's only really strength at this point in the game would be running, which is near useless by itself, in the current state of game. It might be decent for AV vs tanks if stacking damage mods on the 5slot high logi suit wasn't such a viable option for making really good swarm fits.
 
 The minmatar is extremely fast and you recommend the gallente for running? Hmm, I don't know about this.
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        |  Makyre Vahliha
 GamersForChrist
 Orion Empire
 
 218
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 18:58:00 -
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 Absoliav wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:mollerz wrote:Minmatar aka the minja is assassination.
 Gallente aka the ganja is recon.
 
 Caldari aka the canja is [REDACTED].
 
 Amarr aka the amanja is [REDACTED].
 
 So it comes down to your play style.
 
 The ganja only has 1 high slot at the proto level- and is seen as a disadvantage.
 
 I play a Minja and it is pretty fun with IshNoks (aka proto knives). Their proto suit is hampered by poor CPU even when your skills are maxed out. I am down to maxing out my sidearm operation, light weapon operation, and explosives skills to lv 5 just to eek out every last bit of CPU savings. trust me- it is a long road to making a minja proper.
 
 I kind of feel like a ganja is easier to play initially.
 Exactly how does a...ganja use recon? I have never used knives, because I always thought that it would be difficult getting up close to an enemy without them hearing or seeing me before I hit them. I'm curious which is better for using sniper rifle, minja or ganja? Thanks. Actually, none of the Scout suits support sniping, the best thing to do is to use a Logistic suit, they are more suited for sniping, not saying Scouts can't snipe, it's just that none of the Scout perks help you in sniping, other than the lower Suit Profile. 
 I use Proto Gallente Logi, but how would this be the "best" for sniping aside from equipment usage? Scouts have better profile scans and reductions for hiding and therefore useful for sniping, don't they?
 
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        |  Absoliav
 Tronhadar Free Guard
 Minmatar Republic
 
 9
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 19:05:00 -
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 Makyre Vahliha wrote:Absoliav wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:mollerz wrote:Minmatar aka the minja is assassination.
 Gallente aka the ganja is recon.
 
 Caldari aka the canja is [REDACTED].
 
 Amarr aka the amanja is [REDACTED].
 
 So it comes down to your play style.
 
 The ganja only has 1 high slot at the proto level- and is seen as a disadvantage.
 
 I play a Minja and it is pretty fun with IshNoks (aka proto knives). Their proto suit is hampered by poor CPU even when your skills are maxed out. I am down to maxing out my sidearm operation, light weapon operation, and explosives skills to lv 5 just to eek out every last bit of CPU savings. trust me- it is a long road to making a minja proper.
 
 I kind of feel like a ganja is easier to play initially.
 Exactly how does a...ganja use recon? I have never used knives, because I always thought that it would be difficult getting up close to an enemy without them hearing or seeing me before I hit them. I'm curious which is better for using sniper rifle, minja or ganja? Thanks. Actually, none of the Scout suits support sniping, the best thing to do is to use a Logistic suit, they are more suited for sniping, not saying Scouts can't snipe, it's just that none of the Scout perks help you in sniping, other than the lower Suit Profile. I use Proto Gallente Logi, but how would this be the "best" for sniping aside from equipment usage? Scouts have better profile scans and reductions for hiding and therefore useful for sniping, don't they? 
 Profile scans only work for detecting enemys on your radar, as a sniper you'll be relying on sight more then you radar, a lower scan profile is the only real benefit of using a Scout suit, a with a Logi suit you have higher CPU/PG, so that means you can stuff better gear for ether defense or offense, which ever you feel you need really, and with the added equp slots, you can have a Active Scanner, Nanohive or a Drop Uplink, Gallente Scout only gets a buff to his radar rang, which dosen't help much when your shooting targets out of your radar range.
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 4428
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 19:07:00 -
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 I giggle every time my sniper fatty sees a scout sniper through his scope.
 
 It's like christmas.
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        |  Absoliav
 Tronhadar Free Guard
 Minmatar Republic
 
 10
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 19:22:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:I giggle every time my sniper fatty sees a scout sniper through his scope. 
 It's like christmas.
 
 This is also a great example of why Scouts don't even make better snipers than a Heavy, which is more proof that Light Frames as a whole need some sort of buff other than just a speed buff. (Does no one remember the nightmare of close Beta, you couldn't even hit them with a LAV.)
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        |  Marc Rime
 Zumari Force Projection
 Caldari State
 
 94
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 19:30:00 -
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 Neither is good, might as well save some SP and use basic lights -- if they were worth using that is, which they aren't.
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        |  Doyle Reese
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 229
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 19:45:00 -
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 I prefer Gallente Scouts, they can be more mobile than Minmitar and have more CPU/PG, which you are in DESPERATE need of
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        |  XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
 Storm Wind Strikeforce
 Caldari State
 
 42
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 19:58:00 -
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 sniping=minmatar assault
 
 if you want to go scout I woud say gallente so you can scan further for targets
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        |  Scheneighnay McBob
 Bojo's School of the Trades
 
 1910
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 20:23:00 -
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 The Abron
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        |  First Prophet
 Jaguar Empire
 
 218
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 20:32:00 -
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 Makyre Vahliha wrote:Zedra Faiolin wrote: Gallente's only really strength at this point in the game would be running, which is near useless by itself, in the current state of game.  The minmatar is extremely fast and you recommend the gallente for running? Hmm, I don't know about this. Gallente has 4x low slots instead the minmatar's 2x so the Gallente can stack more sprint mods and run faster than the minmatar.
 
 But to the OP you're better off using medium or heavy frames if you want to snipe. The scanning profile only helps you when you're in the enemies scanning radius and for most people that's only 15m, and as a sniper you'll probably be way out of range for that.
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        |  Onesimus Tarsus
 Kameira Lodge
 Amarr Empire
 
 558
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 20:38:00 -
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 DUST Fiend wrote:I giggle every time my sniper fatty sees a scout sniper through his scope. 
 It's like christmas.
 
 In that it happens once a year and you get a lump of coal?
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        |  Daxxis KANNAH
 Tronhadar Free Guard
 Minmatar Republic
 
 142
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 20:39:00 -
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 First Prophet wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:Zedra Faiolin wrote: Gallente's only really strength at this point in the game would be running, which is near useless by itself, in the current state of game.  The minmatar is extremely fast and you recommend the gallente for running? Hmm, I don't know about this. Gallente has 4x low slots instead the minmatar's 2x so the Gallente can stack more sprint mods and run faster than the minmatar.  But to the OP you're better off using medium or heavy frames if you want to snipe. The scanning profile only helps you when you're in the enemies scanning radius and for most people that's only 15m, and as a sniper you'll probably be way out of range for that. 
 
 Preach Prophet!!!!
 
 Op - the above is "gospel"
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        |  Aythadis Smith
 The Generals
 EoN.
 
 41
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.05 21:47:00 -
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 When Gal lost its high slot, personally is Min.
 
 If Gal got a high slot, its racial bonus makes more sense to me if you are not a brawler/knifer
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        |  Makyre Vahliha
 GamersForChrist
 Orion Empire
 
 220
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.06 02:20:00 -
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 First Prophet wrote:Makyre Vahliha wrote:Zedra Faiolin wrote: Gallente's only really strength at this point in the game would be running, which is near useless by itself, in the current state of game.  The minmatar is extremely fast and you recommend the gallente for running? Hmm, I don't know about this. Gallente has 4x low slots instead the minmatar's 2x so the Gallente can stack more sprint mods and run faster than the minmatar.  But to the OP you're better off using medium or heavy frames if you want to snipe. The scanning profile only helps you when you're in the enemies scanning radius and for most people that's only 15m, and as a sniper you'll probably be way out of range for that. 
 So then the profile dampeners and range amplifiers would be useless if I'm using the medium frames, say, Logi when I'm sniping from far?
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