I think most of us can agree that Light Frame/Scout has the hardest lot in the game.

They're squishy, not so insanely fast to justify the other vulnerabilities, and Assault, Logi, and Heavy can each outclass them in a role that the Scout is supposed to do well.

So what I'm wondering is: what would improve the class that wouldn't just make it more like one of the other classes?

My thought:

Have Light Frames only show up on radar if you spot them directly. Right now no amount of signature management matters if the other team has a six-man squad and at least one of them has direct line-of-sight to you. Target data shared between squad members nullifies stealth.

This change would let them be the sneaky, deadly ninjas they should be if they're good at flanking and moving from cover to cover, without making them too assault-like or frame-rate-breakingly fast.


Post your own interesting ideas, maybe we can inspire CCP.

I would say another equipment slot + a cpu/pg boost + a buff to move/sprint speed is what scouts need.

Why?

An extra equipment slot would allow me to do more scout-y things at once, like uplink + scanner or uplink + stealth (once it gets here)

The cpu/pg boost would be so that I could actually fit this new equipment on my already cpu/pg tight suit

The move/sprint speed boost would help move the scout away from being a weak assault. 0.5-0.6 m/s difference between our assault variants isn't much to talk about.
Edit: I'm not sure how much of a buff we need for speed, but it needs to be enough so that the two slowest scouts (Caldari and Amarr) are still quite a bit faster than any other suit's base speed.

In addition to what I said above, I'm slightly against adding more highs and lows to scouts (I'd take it just because CCP needs to throw scouts a bone though).

The reason is because at the moment there are no useful modules for scouting. What about the ones that affect passive scan? Even if passive scan actually worked, for most scout-related roles they aren't very useful. The precision enhancers? Only really useful to a scout for finding another scout. The profile dampener? Only useful for a scout hiding from a scout hunter. Range amplifier? Perhaps a cqc scout would find it useful (Would need a minja or shoty scout's POV on this). All of these (except the cqc scout) are highly specialized fits. What about codebreakers then? While I do find they are helpful, the extra hacking speed provided by them rarely feels necessary. I feel most scouts probably wouldn't see much use in adding these modules.

What would these new slots go to then? Adding more tank or more gank. While that is good for scout survivability, it would also would further encourage scouts to play like speedy assaults which I do not believe is what CCP intended for the scout.

Not so insanely fast? Maybe you should check builds with other scouts to get your speed up
Hell tonight alone I was in a match and Asher Night stood out since he was running laps on top of the installation thats like a huge warehouse with the hacking point inside it doing full circuits in the time it took me to run up a ramp inside

The speed had nothing to do with me doing well in that game. It was the position. Enemies can't get to you easily in the spot I was at. Maybe you noticed how quickly I died once enemies finally came up there?

Either way, I wasn't actually running at a blinding speed - the top of that building is just smaller than it looks. Once I start getting shot at, I can't even get away from heavies and their HMG's that are 20 meters away. That's WITH a complex kinetic.

Buff their HP to that of a Logistics, nerf their speed to assault x 1.02, nerf their shield regen to assault levels but with a delay in between assault and logistics, keep all other base stats, give them 3-3 slots and 2 equipment slots.

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You have a great sense of humor.

No freaking reality going on at all but humor, you got buckets of.

I keep up with scout gameplay and the biggest complaint I see is that you guys cannot survive. I am suggesting a buff to survivability is that not what you want? Or is it something else?

Buff their HP to that of a Logistics, nerf their speed to assault x 1.02, nerf their shield regen to assault levels but with a delay in between assault and logistics, keep all other base stats, give them 3-3 slots, 2 equipment slots, and more CPU/PG.

I keep up with scout gameplay and the biggest complaint I see is that you guys cannot survive. I am suggesting a buff to survivability is that not what you want? Or is it something else?

Pretty much copy pasting what i said in a feedback thread here :

This suit is in a pretty bad place at the moment. It could use a buff to its HP potential but in order to keep it in its niche, it shouldnt be a massive buff. Scouts are bound to remain pretty much paper made in comparison to other suit frames.

But, they need to have a more tactical role as they're intended to be. Some suits to use with caution but that should be able to tactically impact the game.

I think the 2nd equipment slot some add in Codex was a good idea. Equipment = Tactic. Imo it suits more the suit than adding any mod slot.

Add to that a bonus to hacking speed for Scout suit instead of the reduction to radar signature. Again, tactical impact. Sneaky fast hacks.

A buff to PG\CPU to support the second equipment role (and\or allow a better fitting to max HP a bit more)

I also like the idea of "insert name" about buffing scan radius and efficiency. On the other hand, scouts cannot be left out from the team shared knowledge when spotted. I dont know if this is already implement as i never paid attention, but smaller targets should remain visible on the radar less time than big targets once spotted and lost from sight. If this is possible, it would be a nice addition.

As for a buff to speed, i already find them pretty freakin fast as is. And considering the Hit detection issues, i'd try buffing those stuff above before touching their base speed.

- 5% increase in PG/CPU for the advanced level suit (I currently have the Core Dropsuit Skills at level 3, Electronics at level 5 and Engineering at level 5, but I still can't use all my slots if I equip a Complex KinCat, a Complex Armor Rep, one complex level weapon (and one level 4) a basic level shield extender and an uplink.
- One extra equipment slot on the prototype level suit
- Additional CPU/PG to allow usage of the extra equipment slot
- Increased base scan range to 15-20 meters