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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.07.04 19:08:00 -
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Id like to thank my brothern in the Federation, as well as any of our Matari allies that risked their lives in the assault on Caldari Prime.
Though our ground assault was unsuccessful, the remains of the Leviathan that lay wasted in the badlands is a monument to our victory. Though the Caldari were not wrong in defending their homeland, refusal to answer to diplomacy has always led to unnecessary violence.
But was the violence so unnecessary? Billions if not trillions of ISK lost and countless lives from both nations all because we are bred from the same ilk but have such different ideals. War has always been considered a downfall in our race, but I view it as something more, because with Death comes new beginnings, just as the icy grip of winter brings spring on Intaki Prime.
So, a toast! A toast to inevitable and unavoidable war..! May it bring peace in our future as it always has before. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.05 01:48:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:The Gallenteans fought hard planetside. The Shigeru going down was a blow to the State yes but the heroics of its commander not activating the doomday device on the ship saved billions of lives.
A toast to her as well should be in order, her sacrifice lent to the Caldari winning the ground war.
EDIT- Bearing in mind it was the Gallenteans who broke the peace over the planet by engaging the shigeru, and brought war to Caldari Prime, also bearing in mind this was our ancestoral home and that the Gallente have no right to it.
Ah yes... The "ancestral home" argument.. Interesting the double standard the Caldari have when referring to this clause when they showed no remorse in selling Intaki Prime to the highest bidder - then had the nerve to call Ishukone traitors for supporting we Intaki!
And again when Ishukone did peace keeping and charity operations on Caldari Prime..
So, what respect are we Intaki owed to our ancestral home? Or did you overlook that in defense of your own meritocratic ideals...? |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.05 02:31:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:The Gallenteans fought hard planetside. The Shigeru going down was a blow to the State yes but the heroics of its commander not activating the doomday device on the ship saved billions of lives.
A toast to her as well should be in order, her sacrifice lent to the Caldari winning the ground war.
EDIT- Bearing in mind it was the Gallenteans who broke the peace over the planet by engaging the shigeru, and brought war to Caldari Prime, also bearing in mind this was our ancestoral home and that the Gallente have no right to it. Ah yes... The "ancestral home" argument.. Interesting the double standard the Caldari have when referring to this clause when they showed no remorse in selling Intaki Prime to the highest bidder - then had the nerve to call Ishukone traitors for supporting we Intaki! And again when Ishukone did peace keeping and charity operations on Caldari Prime.. So, what respect are we Intaki owed to our ancestral home? Or did you overlook that in defense of your own meritocratic ideals...? As a Patriot amongst the Caldari Loyalist blocs I look unfavourably on Ishukones dealings with the Gallenteans, them essentially negotiating the surrender of Caldari troops on Caldari prime when we were prepared to fight to the bitter end. A similar double standard exists within the Federation with early Federation authorities exiling many Intaki who sympathised with the Caldari desire to secede from the Federation but I guess such history has been forgotten by your people. I must stipulate that the event on Intaki Prime have relatively little bearing on the New Caldari State, after Heths subsequent departure from the State and being stripped of his role as Executor the State is in a transitional phase. You must bear in mind we have been at war with your people for a very long time.
Bear in mind Intaki are a diverse people, and the Intaki Syndicate rules like barons with a fiefdom. There are also Intaki who retain loyalty to the Gallente, and there are even Intaki who believe that they should separate from the Federation. They are known as the Intaki Liberation Front.
And then there are those of us who know that the "Patriots" of the Caldari are blind to the efforts of Ishukone, and we're quite vigilant in the defense of Caldari expansion. Your ways are not our ways, and you forget that despite Caldari Prime being your home it was a demilitarized zone...and that you fired on CONCORD before ever a Gallentean shot was fired in that sams demilitarized zone..
Intaki Prime is still yet in a combat zone, and you have no qualms with fighting over its sovereignty. That, I feel, is hypocritical to this "who fired first" historical grievance. My people live under constant, daily threat - can you say the same for yours? Because the last time I checked... The Caldari did not fight for the freedom of Intaki Prime - only her unconditional surrender. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.05 09:19:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:I've already argued way too many times as to how toasting for the battle of Caldari Prime is pointless on either side. It's a tragedy, billions of civilians were killed in the fighting and the crash of the Shiigeru, not something you celebrate. Both sides are equally at fault here, pointing fingers at each other isn't going to help at all. What we should be toasting to is the actions of the Shigeru's commander, who when ordered to detonate the ships doomsday weaponry, disobeyed orders thus saving the lives of billions more.
Yes... Let us also toast the insubordinate actions and complete disregard for intergalactic law that was the attack on a CONCORD agent overseeing the ground combat in a peaceful manner...
Mordu's Legion, while taking Caldari contracts, are not allied with the State. Nor are the Intaki Liberation Front - a successionist movement who's only concern is the wellbeing of Intaki. They are, infact, in strong ties with the Ishukraata and Ishukone, a corporation the so called Patriots would rather have barred from the State.
Interesting that you would rather follow a crazed leader who has forgotten the Meritocratic ideals of old than the Federation and its "overbearing" nature. Both have flaws, but I for one choose not to follow blindly like a sheep. Under Federatikn control, I taki Prime is simply left for its self - where as the Caldari would utilize its resources, few as they are, for itself.
So, who's more in the wrong when no-one will fight for her? Regardless, it has nothing to do with Caldari Prime, which I toast somply because its profitable and I know all of you fight for your self-interested egos... You simply try to mask it in some silly ideal that you still have some humanity, that its a pity civilians had to die. Quit lying to yourselves - its all about the ISK. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.05 22:25:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:I've already argued way too many times as to how toasting for the battle of Caldari Prime is pointless on either side. It's a tragedy, billions of civilians were killed in the fighting and the crash of the Shiigeru, not something you celebrate. Both sides are equally at fault here, pointing fingers at each other isn't going to help at all. What we should be toasting to is the actions of the Shigeru's commander, who when ordered to detonate the ships doomsday weaponry, disobeyed orders thus saving the lives of billions more. Yes... Let us also toast the insubordinate actions and complete disregard for intergalactic law that was the attack on a CONCORD agent overseeing the ground combat in a peaceful manner... Mordu's Legion, while taking Caldari contracts, are not allied with the State. Nor are the Intaki Liberation Front - a successionist movement who's only concern is the wellbeing of Intaki. They are, infact, in strong ties with the Ishukraata and Ishukone, a corporation the so called Patriots would rather have barred from the State. Interesting that you would rather follow a crazed leader who has forgotten the Meritocratic ideals of old than the Federation and its "overbearing" nature. Both have flaws, but I for one choose not to follow blindly like a sheep. Under Federatikn control, I taki Prime is simply left for its self - where as the Caldari would utilize its resources, few as they are, for itself. So, who's more in the wrong when no-one will fight for her? Regardless, it has nothing to do with Caldari Prime, which I toast somply because its profitable and I know all of you fight for your self-interested egos... You simply try to mask it in some silly ideal that you still have some humanity, that its a pity civilians had to die. Quit lying to yourselves - its all about the ISK. As an employee of the Ishukone corporation I can say with absolute certainty I do not support, or did not support Heth's actions in recent weeks... However I will maintain that the actions of one single individual when it counted prevented an even greater disaster and that is worth of merit and praise. I notice how all Gallenteans are quick to pass themselves off as heroes, a misguided notion compounded by the fact that you refuse to come to understand the beliefs and dealings of the other empires.
Give what Ive been dealt. I dont side with Gallente, I side with the ISK - and that battle had plenty of bodies to strip of their weapons.
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