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Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1022	Posted - 2013.07.04 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote So, I decided to do ten matches of Skirm in my ADV Scout Suit. (Fitting) Scout M/1 Series - Total ISK Cost per Suit = 20,160 HIGH Enhanced Shield Extender Basic Shield Extender LOW Complex Kinetic Catalyzers x2 WEAPON Shotgun EQUIPMENT Repair Tool Here are the weapons I died to the most (This list is incredibly predictable) 37 Assault Rifle Deaths 7 HMG Deaths 7 Scrambler Rifle Deaths 5 Mass Driver Deaths 3 SMG Deaths 3 Crushed by LAVs 2 Blaster Installation Deaths 2 HAV Blaster Turrets 2 Fused Locus Grenade Deaths 2 Shotgun Deaths 2 Sniper Deaths 1 Locus Grenade Death 1 Crushed by HAV 1 Flaylock Death 1 Orbital Death WP Earned: 9440 Total Kills: 121 Total Deaths: 76 Now for the ISK Lost/Earned ISK EARNED: 2193980 ISK LOST: 1431360 TOTAL PROFIT: 742,460 Now I'd like to adress some things regarding my experience. Contact Grenades Remove every single one of them, even the Proto, AUR and ISK versions. That is all. Turret Installations They should lock onto targets depedning on the enemy's Scan Profile, or at least the lower the Scan Profile, the longer it takes for the turret to notice and lock onto targets, I was being attacked by these things without even provoking them (There were no enemies controlling them) ISK Cost I dread to think what my losses in ISK would've been if I was wearing my Proto Suit (73k per Suit), Scout suits need a price reduction, I'm forced to use ADV every match just to keep up the costs of running a Scout Suit. Stamina Regen Delay It seems as if CCP made it take longer for Stamina to start regenerating after the 1.2 patch, please revert this back. Shotgun If I could count how many shots I 'Hit' but the game never regestering them I would, but there was just too many to keep track, I'm okay with how Shotgun aiming feels right now, I'm starting to adapt, but please fix the hit detection. I've noticed sometimes when not even aiming at an enemy, but aiming somewhere close to them I hit, but half the time when the reticule is red the shot doesn't register. I understand that Scout is supposed to be the 'Hard Mode' of the game, and it is, and I like that, there were moments where I felt like I was playing a stealth game, sneaking around an enemy controlled complex, running along rooftops and sneaking by tanks, it felt epic, and would prefer this over going tryhard Cal Logi anyday. But if you're going to do ONE thing CCP, please, reduce the price of the Proto suit, I'd like to use it for once.
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 223	Posted - 2013.07.04 17:46:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: Contact Grenades Remove every single one of them, even the Proto, AUR and ISK versions. That is all. this is coming from a Minmitar scout, imagine the pain of being a Gallente Scout
mollerz Minja Scouts 594	Posted - 2013.07.04 17:49:00 - [3] - Quote If I may make a couple suggestions about your fit? I would kill the basic shield extender and toss on a dam mod. I would also replace the complex Kin Cat with a cardiac reg. With one C Kin Cat you are already faster than most everyone, and the extra stamina will serve you better. You'll be bale to run a whole lot further as well as leap with near abandon. It also helps you regenerate stamina faster. Ganja scouts get a whole lot more felxibility, but IMHO, a poor old Minja has to lock in his two low slots on a biotic cocktail. Why repair tool? A RE or a compact nanohive is the way to go. or ditch equipment and toss on a flux nade (i know CPU is a fukn *****). And yea. Shotgun hit detection is like russian roulette sometimes. And how the heck did you get crushed by an HAV :)?
Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1024	Posted - 2013.07.04 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote mollerz wrote: If I may make a couple suggestions about your fit? I would kill the basic shield extender and toss on a dam mod. I would also replace the complex Kin Cat with a cardiac reg. With one C Kin Cat you are already faster than most everyone, and the extra stamina will serve you better. You'll be bale to run a whole lot further as well as leap with near abandon. It also helps you regenerate stamina faster. Ganja scouts get a whole lot more felxibility, but IMHO, a poor old Minja has to lock in his two low slots on a biotic cocktail. Why repair tool? A RE or a compact nanohive is the way to go. or ditch equipment and toss on a flux nade (i know CPU is a fukn ****). And yea. Shotgun hit detection is like russian roulette sometimes. And how the heck did you get crushed by an HAV :)? Repair Tool was because I couldn't fit anything else on, going to get my CPU skills up though. I got crushed by a HAV when I tried to run past it, I had to try squeeze up against it because I was stuck between a wall and the HAV, and it turned slightly against the wall Crush*
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 110	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: mollerz wrote: If I may make a couple suggestions about your fit? I would kill the basic shield extender and toss on a dam mod. I would also replace the complex Kin Cat with a cardiac reg. With one C Kin Cat you are already faster than most everyone, and the extra stamina will serve you better. You'll be bale to run a whole lot further as well as leap with near abandon. It also helps you regenerate stamina faster. Ganja scouts get a whole lot more felxibility, but IMHO, a poor old Minja has to lock in his two low slots on a biotic cocktail. Why repair tool? A RE or a compact nanohive is the way to go. or ditch equipment and toss on a flux nade (i know CPU is a fukn ****). And yea. Shotgun hit detection is like russian roulette sometimes. And how the heck did you get crushed by an HAV :)? Repair Tool was because I couldn't fit anything else on, going to get my CPU skills up though. I got crushed by a HAV when I tried to run past it, I had to try squeeze up against it because I was stuck between a wall and the HAV, and it turned slightly against the wall Crush* Ouch, you have my sympathies...
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 139	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote Thanks for providing some feedback on your day of Minmatar scouting and for posting some stats of your battles.... I cannot imagine running proto scout gear with my KDR, so the fact that it concerns better players as well should say a lot to CCP about putting some future efforts in to make the suit more viable. At this point skilling past ADV scout suits seems to be a waste of time, and of the ADV suits it seems to me that the Minnie would be the better suit since with the lower armor there is less reason to even worry about filling a low slot with an armor repper. I definitely would bail on EQ in favor of a grenade though, they are just too handy.....
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5616	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:36:00 - [7] - Quote Tagging and forwarding, thanks for the great level of feedback.
Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1027	Posted - 2013.07.04 22:53:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Tagging and forwarding, thanks for the great level of feedback. Yes! Hopefully this will be our moment scouts!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1900	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:05:00 - [9] - Quote Minmatar assaults are the new scouts. I've ran a scout a few times today, and I died by people breathing on me; not a good update for scouts. Btw, how did you get crushed by an HAV? I've jumped on top of them with my scout suit before, but I always go from behind or the side.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5623	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:10:00 - [10] - Quote Well I will say that Scouts are already known to be underperforming so things and stories like these will help paint pictures where they are failing at in what they are doing so.

Knight SoIaire Rent-A-Murder Taxi 1030	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:12:00 - [11] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Minmatar assaults are the new scouts. I've ran a scout a few times today, and I died by people breathing on me; not a good update for scouts. Btw, how did you get crushed by an HAV? I've jumped on top of them with my scout suit before, but I always go from behind or the side. I got crushed by a HAV when I tried to run past it, I had to try squeeze up against it because I was stuck between a wall and the HAV, and it turned slightly against the wall Crush I basically got stuck between a a HAV and a wall. It hurt my pride, this was the one thing I didn't want to happen, because I knew I'd have to post it up On my first match I was like "Man, I hope I dont get crushed by a HAV, that'd be embarrassing " Last match "I'll just squeeze through here!" Pilot (Soma) Knight Solaire "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 10	Posted - 2013.07.04 23:33:00 - [12] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Minmatar assaults are the new scouts. I've ran a scout a few times today, and I died by people breathing on me; not a good update for scouts. Btw, how did you get crushed by an HAV? I've jumped on top of them with my scout suit before, but I always go from behind or the side. I got crushed by a HAV when I tried to run past it, I had to try squeeze up against it because I was stuck between a wall and the HAV, and it turned slightly against the wall Crush I basically got stuck between a a HAV and a wall. It hurt my pride, this was the one thing I didn't want to happen, because I knew I'd have to post it up On my first match I was like "Man, I hope I dont get crushed by a HAV, that'd be embarrassing " Last match "I'll just squeeze through here!" Pilot (Soma) Knight Solaire "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Could be worse, killed some poor sod with a flux today
BARDAS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2013.07.05 02:13:00 - [13] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Minmatar assaults are the new scouts. I've ran a scout a few times today, and I died by people breathing on me; not a good update for scouts. Btw, how did you get crushed by an HAV? I've jumped on top of them with my scout suit before, but I always go from behind or the side. I got crushed by a HAV when I tried to run past it, I had to try squeeze up against it because I was stuck between a wall and the HAV, and it turned slightly against the wall Crush I basically got stuck between a a HAV and a wall. It hurt my pride, this was the one thing I didn't want to happen, because I knew I'd have to post it up On my first match I was like "Man, I hope I dont get crushed by a HAV, that'd be embarrassing " Last match "I'll just squeeze through here!" Pilot (Soma) Knight Solaire "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Could be worse, killed some poor sod with a flux today That may have been me. I died to a flux grenade today and killed someone with a flux grenade. I assume this is a new bug because obviously it is only supposed to take away shields. In regards to the Scout suit I am dying a LOT more than the previous update. It is at the point where I am downloading the free Battlefield 3 from PSN and thinking about abandoning Dust for the time being.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2013.07.05 02:30:00 - [14] - Quote My skills are mainly in Caldari Assault and AR's but at the start of most Dom's I like to run my dragonfly ds with lvl 1 shotgun with uplinks. Anyways after the update my only complaint really is the hit detection, which has already been stated. Its not just the shotgun of course but its far worse running that weapon or any CQC weapon in a scout suit and then shots don't register and well lol you guys know how ****** we are at that point. Once that is fixed I believe the scout will once again be a deadly assassin and I hope I don't have to wait too long for that since I really want to start skilling into that soon... at least when we get the rest of the suits so I can choose wisely.
Technical-Support Internal Error. League of Infamy 74	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:12:00 - [15] - Quote You're doing it wrong imho... <3 Re-FLeX
Kador Ouryon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 32	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:14:00 - [16] - Quote GODDAMNIT I WANNA BE A SCOUT BUT CCP WONT GIVE MY CALDARI SCOUT!
AfroSunshineY Consequence Clan Choinnich 2	Posted - 2013.07.05 04:45:00 - [17] - Quote Fellow Scout, Tales of your escapades warm the heart. Life on 'Hard Mode' is not something everyone can revel in, but I support your cause. That being said - you should have asked for MORE! Scouts are terrible right now. I laugh everytime I see a thread by a heavy player asking for an HMG buff - the BALLS on those guys to ask for a buff. What Chutzpah! If a heavy sneezes in my direction it's an insta-kill. Seriously - my tissue paper (read: armor) is depleted before I even hear the sound effects or feel the rumble in my DS3. Balancing scouts with the other classes is really important. I don't want to become another D*** riding in public matches with Prototype Logistics suits and Duvolle ARs. I love the design of scouts and want to continue playing as one, but there needs to be significant improvements. I'm not expecting much from CCP though........ Sincerely, Sunshine
Lightning xVx Manifestos 77	Posted - 2013.07.05 05:17:00 - [18] - Quote The hit detection is HORRID with Shotguns, I aim directly shooting at someone 2-6 feet away and it has worse hit detection then UPRISING 1.1. CCP, I've been a patient/loyal customer since closed BETA, but you seriously have to step up your game before you destroy this game/trust in the community. I seriously wish I can have a 1 on 1 discussion with you guys on what is acceptable for scouts (non biased) and find balance between the classes.
Decasor The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 4	Posted - 2013.07.05 05:58:00 - [19] - Quote Knight SoIaire wrote: So, I decided to do ten matches of Skirm in my ADV Scout Suit (etc) . Great feedback. Thanks very much for taking the time to statistically back up what we have experiencing for a long time. Uprising has not been a great time for scouts. My two bugbears: Shotguns (as you said) Suits (all the disadvantages of a light suit - instant death etc - no advantages to go with it - we can be/usually are run down by Assault suits, horrific CPU etc) Thanks again.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 153	Posted - 2013.07.05 07:56:00 - [20] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Fellow Scout, Tales of your escapades warm the heart. Life on 'Hard Mode' is not something everyone can revel in, but I support your cause. That being said - you should have asked for MORE! Scouts are terrible right now. I laugh everytime I see a thread by a heavy player asking for an HMG buff - the BALLS on those guys to ask for a buff. What Chutzpah! If a heavy sneezes in my direction it's an insta-kill. Seriously - my tissue paper (read: armor) is depleted before I even hear the sound effects or feel the rumble in my DS3. Balancing scouts with the other classes is really important. I don't want to become another D* riding in public matches with Prototype Logistics suits and Duvolle ARs. I love the design of scouts and want to continue playing as one, but there needs to be significant improvements. I'm not expecting much from CCP though........ Sincerely, Sunshine +1 Sun.... It is funny to read all the nerf/buff requests from the other classes when it's a struggle for scouts to stay alive, let alone get close enough to do any damage, LET ALONE actually DO any damage.... But hey, we're made of tough grit, ** and vinegar, right? It would be so awesome if the scanning stuff all worked, and the other suits got a scan radius of say 8m, and scouts got upped to 12 or 15. Just that little change would really have a BIG effect on scout tactics (least for me). Add in maybe .2 to walk/sprint speed.... call it golden. Adding another module may even be not needed at that point (although 15 extra CPU would help) If hit detection worked, look OUT! Also +1 on wanting the Caldari scout suit.....

Kador Ouryon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 38	Posted - 2013.07.05 08:37:00 - [21] - Quote With some Militia Suits I have had some awesome times parkouring around the various maps. I've stalked assaults only to kill them when they begin hacking things. I've jumped from ledge to ledge to beat a player to the top of a ladder to stab him in the face when he gets up. Leapt into gunfire to get that final blow on repping Logi. And died in fire when a grenade was tossed into my jump path. GIMME GIMME GIMME I need that Caldari Scout suit!
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 26	Posted - 2013.07.05 09:01:00 - [22] - Quote Another minmatar scout here, For me shot gun detection is the really big issue and some cpu and Pg on the advanced suit would be nice.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.07.05 14:05:00 - [23] - Quote I agree whole heartedly. I have been running scout flanker since closed beta. It's all I know and all I want to know. Pre 1.2 I have accepted that it is not an easy role but have faithfully stuck by it. 1.2 makes it impossible. If I want to run AR, I'll go play any other FPS, Dust to me was about diversity and being proficient in your path of choice. My corp mates suggest I find a new proficiency as op logi or op llav or even tank but truth be told, I only want to be a scout as the idea of it is appeals to me. But it is useless now. CCP please fix scouts, you took away our breach sg range, you took away our hp, you took away our extra slots, you took away our speed, stamina and jump height, you fixed a latency bug which was our last defense. Why do you hate scouts when they are by definition the type of game play you love to endorse: sneaky, conniving, stealthy backstabbers. I do not want to run Assault or logi AR. Is that really a problem? It's now to afking for me till this is fixed... If I am forced to change my game style, I will need the sp to skill into something else. And since my kdr has dropped significantly since 1.2 (after bringing it back up from the last update) I choose not to lose any more kdr due to the latest set of Scout nerfs.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 120	Posted - 2013.07.05 14:14:00 - [24] - Quote no sidearm no grenade Repair tool
I-Shayz-I ZionTCD 367	Posted - 2013.07.05 14:36:00 - [25] - Quote I think if they finally introduce stealth modules all of these problems will be corrected. How they would be balanced: -You're only invisible when you are walking. Sprinting, jumping, and firing will all break stealth for however long the delay on the module is (the better the module the shorter the delay) -You can be invisible for as long as you want, but can still be detected by the enemy if they can scan you within their radius. This would make putting points into scan profile extremely important for scouts to make sure they are not seen. -You still show up as a red reticule if the enemy aims at you while invisible. -If you are shot at, it will break stealth. This feature is missing from the game and is the one thing that Scouts NEED if they are to be playable at all right now.
Revelations 514 Red Star. EoN. 75	Posted - 2013.07.05 14:54:00 - [26] - Quote I want to be agile again. Give scouts a 50% reduction in stam costs for sprinting and jumping.
Jak'Saan 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:24:00 - [27] - Quote Man... I have to say, I'm so demoralized by all the nerfing of scouts (an already difficult role). Honestly I'd just like an answer to if it's going to be fixed and when. I'd be happy with "No" or even "yes, in 1 month". Waiting and hoping is killing me, I want to know if I need to move on. I thought we were out of Beta. Am I wrong?
M3DIC 2U Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 68	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:36:00 - [28] - Quote BARDAS wrote: That may have been me. I died to a flux grenade today and killed someone with a flux grenade. I assume this is a new bug because obviously it is only supposed to take away shields. In regards to the Scout suit I am dying a LOT more than the previous update. It is at the point where I am downloading the free Battlefield 3 from PSN and thinking about abandoning Dust for the time being. Flux do minimal splash damage so if really low, they can kill. (Read the fine print on em... also the thing goes boom, it should do some damage.)
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.07.05 19:45:00 - [29] - Quote M3DIC 2U wrote: BARDAS wrote: That may have been me. I died to a flux grenade today and killed someone with a flux grenade. I assume this is a new bug because obviously it is only supposed to take away shields. In regards to the Scout suit I am dying a LOT more than the previous update. It is at the point where I am downloading the free Battlefield 3 from PSN and thinking about abandoning Dust for the time being. Flux do minimal splash damage so if really low, they can kill. (Read the fine print on em... also the thing goes boom, it should do some damage.) I killed one dude with a flux since he had little armor and afterwards in the same match I orbitaled a tank and it came after me so I hit it with a mlt swarm launcher once and then one flux to finish it off! lol
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 252	Posted - 2013.07.12 13:15:00 - [30] - Quote It's basically the same for the Gallente Scouts, but explosives kill somewhat more often.



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