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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:44:00 -
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Hello everyone!
This is addressed to CCP (Wolfman particularly)
I don't know if it's intentional or not, but me and a mate noticed that if you have an armor plate and then you put a ferroscale plate your speed increase. I mean:
My fitting with a Complex Armor plate: Sprint speed 5.92, Movement 4.23
My fitting with a Complex Armor Plate and a basic Ferroscale: Sprint Speed 6.01, Movement 4.29
My Fitting with a Complex Armor plate, and two basic Feroscale:: Sprint Speed 6.20, Movement 4.43
My fitting with the 3rd basic Ferroscale is : Sprint Speed 6.39, Movement 4,57
So I have 160+ HP with really little speed penalty....seriously???  |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
45
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:44:00 -
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It's a stacking penalty bug.
Stacking penalties work fine when the numbers are positive (e.g. +10% damage, then +8.6% damage etc)
For negative numbers like -10% speed, it sorts them in the wrong order so if you add a lot of -0% or -1% plates, the -10% plate will be stacking 'nerfed' down to -3%.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:23:00 -
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shush fool they need not know |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
189
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:25:00 -
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none of this would be a problem imo if they just released the Armour waffling skill |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:35:00 -
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Haha that's great. |
Imp Smash
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:25:00 -
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Wierd that the bug actually makes armor a bit more balanced o.O |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
47
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:38:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Wierd that the bug actually makes armor a bit more balanced o.O
It counteracts the shield delay bug :) |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
54
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Posted - 2013.07.04 09:56:00 -
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Maybe this should not be fixed?
Maybe this should be kept to keep people from whining that armor is worse than shields? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
163
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:45:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Maybe this should not be fixed?
Maybe this should be kept to keep people from whining that armor is worse than shields?
Here is a better idea: maybe they should fix armor tanking. |
Bullets2yaface
Red Star Jr.
20
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:13:00 -
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fix armor so its not so easy to chew through and please at least make reactive armor half the health of a complex plate |
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
400
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Posted - 2013.07.05 04:31:00 -
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bump! |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
701
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Posted - 2013.07.05 08:41:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Hello everyone! This is addressed to CCP (Wolfman particularly) I don't know if it's intentional or not, but me and a mate noticed that if you have an armor plate and then you put a ferroscale plate your speed increase. I mean: My fitting with a Complex Armor plate: Sprint speed 5.92, Movement 4.23 My fitting with a Complex Armor Plate and a basic Ferroscale: Sprint Speed 6.01, Movement 4.29 My Fitting with a Complex Armor plate, and two basic Feroscale:: Sprint Speed 6.20, Movement 4.43 My fitting with the 3rd basic Ferroscale is : Sprint Speed 6.39, Movement 4,57 So I have 160+ HP with really little speed penalty....seriously???
nice, must be intended. |
Absolute Idiom II
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2013.07.05 14:13:00 -
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Amazing find. Well identified Sponk mate. |
Tupni
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.07 02:42:00 -
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Um, to clarify, is your speed perhaps going up because you're swapping complex or lesser armor plates for ferroscale? |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.07.07 07:48:00 -
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No; just adding a ferroscale to an existing fit (taking off an unrelated module) is enough to increase your speed towards your base speed.
The higher level and more plates you fit, the more you notice the difference. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
169
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Posted - 2013.07.07 08:31:00 -
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Tupni wrote:Um, to clarify, is your speed perhaps going up because you're swapping complex or lesser armor plates for ferroscale?
Simple example of what Sponk is saying:
Loadout 1:
- complex plate: 100% of 10% movement penalty
> This results in a 10% movement penalty.
Loadout 2: (with a ferroscale plate added)
- ferroscale plate: 100% of 0% movement penalty
- complex plate: x%* of 10% movement penalty
*Not sure what the correct numbers for X is but it's less than 100% because of the stacking penalty.
> This results in a movement penalty that is less than 10%.
Can we also stop calling it a secret? It has been posted on day 1 of patch 1.2 already. |
Imp Smash
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
167
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:41:00 -
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Obviously a bug, maybe only display in nature, but a good one I think. It's kind of a good idea - armor working cooperatively. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1100
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:23:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:It's a stacking penalty bug.
Stacking penalties work fine when the numbers are positive (e.g. +10% damage, then +8.6% damage etc)
For negative numbers like -10% speed, it sorts them in the wrong order so if you add a lot of -0% or -1% plates, the -10% plate will be stacking 'nerfed' down to -3%.
It's not a bug, but it is stacking penalties.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
314
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:24:00 -
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it's a bug that partially fix the imbalance between armor and shields, they should don't mind of this... |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:32:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Hello everyone! This is addressed to CCP (Wolfman particularly) I don't know if it's intentional or not, but me and a mate noticed that if you have an armor plate and then you put a ferroscale plate your speed increase. I mean: My fitting with a Complex Armor plate: Sprint speed 5.92, Movement 4.23 My fitting with a Complex Armor Plate and a basic Ferroscale: Sprint Speed 6.01, Movement 4.29 My Fitting with a Complex Armor plate, and two basic Feroscale:: Sprint Speed 6.20, Movement 4.43 My fitting with the 3rd basic Ferroscale is : Sprint Speed 6.39, Movement 4,57 So I have 160+ HP with really little speed penalty....seriously???
So lemme get this right... Armor tankers whine and QQ when their armor plate give armor AND increase speed? WTH!?! Fix this CCP! Will be making post about this. |
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Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:24:00 -
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ladwar wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Hello everyone! This is addressed to CCP (Wolfman particularly) I don't know if it's intentional or not, but me and a mate noticed that if you have an armor plate and then you put a ferroscale plate your speed increase. I mean: My fitting with a Complex Armor plate: Sprint speed 5.92, Movement 4.23 My fitting with a Complex Armor Plate and a basic Ferroscale: Sprint Speed 6.01, Movement 4.29 My Fitting with a Complex Armor plate, and two basic Feroscale:: Sprint Speed 6.20, Movement 4.43 My fitting with the 3rd basic Ferroscale is : Sprint Speed 6.39, Movement 4,57 So I have 160+ HP with really little speed penalty....seriously??? nice, must be intended.
Its not. Stacking penalties are designed to both decrease the effects of stacked modules, while never allowing an additional module to be a net loss. In this case, an additional armor plate should never make you faster. This is absolutely a bug, and I suspect CCP would prefer to just fix it quietly in the next build than acknowledge it, perhaps confusing how the stacking penalties are intended to work.
Syther Shadows wrote:none of this would be a problem imo if they just released the Armour waffling skill
hahahahahahahahahaha
Xero The Mishima wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Hello everyone! This is addressed to CCP (Wolfman particularly) I don't know if it's intentional or not, but me and a mate noticed that if you have an armor plate and then you put a ferroscale plate your speed increase. I mean: My fitting with a Complex Armor plate: Sprint speed 5.92, Movement 4.23 My fitting with a Complex Armor Plate and a basic Ferroscale: Sprint Speed 6.01, Movement 4.29 My Fitting with a Complex Armor plate, and two basic Feroscale:: Sprint Speed 6.20, Movement 4.43 My fitting with the 3rd basic Ferroscale is : Sprint Speed 6.39, Movement 4,57 So I have 160+ HP with really little speed penalty....seriously??? So lemme get this right... Armor tankers whine and QQ when their armor plate give armor AND increase speed? WTH!?! Fix this CCP! Will be making post about this.
He's using 4 lowslots, is still slightly slower than his base speed, and still hasn't fit any reps. |
Omen Astrul
Red Star.
EoN.
98
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:50:00 -
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Even with this armor is still underpowered. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
434
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:48:00 -
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Bump so devs can see :( |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
366
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:14:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bump so devs can see :(
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look in the list of known bugs
its in the list of known bugs
PLEASE DON'T BUMP STUFF WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE LIST OF KNOWN BUGS ! |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
436
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Posted - 2013.07.24 17:45:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Bump so devs can see :( ..... look in the list of known bugs its in the list of known bugs PLEASE DON'T BUMP STUFF WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE LIST OF KNOWN BUGS !
I swear I did looked it! well ok then. |
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