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Talos Alomar
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Posted - 2013.07.03 23:04:00 -
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When you change something, you probably want that change tested, and receive feedback on that change, right?
This is why stealth buffs or nerfs make your life harder. Not many people neurotically check the damage and other stats of weapons every time they log on.
You need to tell us when a change has been made so we can give feedback on that change. just going in and tweaking the stats on a weapon does nothing if people don't know if they should go test a weapon to see if its effective.
Its also not just about making your job easier, its about not insulting your playerbase too. People get offended and pissed off when you just go and change their weapon on them.
Just make a thread that lists the changes you made and update it once a week. it's not too much to ask and it will really help the balancing process by letting your players actually test the damn changes properly. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:37:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
The feedback they're looking for is, generally, not forum feedback. Forum feedback is mostly noise TBH.
The feedback they are looking for is data mined from the server logs. Players are providing this feedback regardless if they are aware of something or not.
1. We aren't just noise. The people who give enough of a **** to post these things are the players that are going to eb payhing CCPs paycheck so ignoring our input is just stupid.
2. And just how will they get these numbers if no one specs into a weapon that was previously unusable? and how many players will (or have) they lost dues to people getting frustrated and quitting because they "just suck now" due to a stealth nerf to the weapon they've sank their SP into? people should have access to that info if they are curious enough to look.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:47:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Ah, but you can. You see not everyone who previously sniped will continue to do so if it isn't fun for them. Some may, like you, but some will not. Also, less people will spec into it, and people will spec out of it. So, you most certainly can tell if something is fun by the numbers..
And how many have just quit because things just randomly stopped being fun?
It should also be noted that the AR isn't a fun gun. I have never seen a single person say "oh man, this AR is so cool. I have so much fun using it."
Its just effective. Thats it.
Following the numbers as you suggest and keeping the game in such a state that the AR is the most commonly used weapon still will do nothing but drive the fun out.
This game is about being fun. CCP needs our input to find out where the fun is. waiting for people to get pissed and give up on their favorite weapon is ******* stupid and an insult to their players (you know, the person who pays them?) and they NEED our input.
We need yo know if they are trying to change the balance of a gun so we can help them get those server numbers.
You have it backwards. CCP should be using those numbers to corroborate our statements. They don't get paid by their servers. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:55:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Again, to be clear, this doesn't justify them not telling us what is going on. I'm only saying this so you understand that the forums are a chaotic, contradictory place, and as such, aren't a very good place to really see what's going on with the game.
It is true that the forums are often a contradictory place as people don't always have the same opinion.
But they are a good place to see whats going on with the game. I disagree with you there. you have to lean back and read the trends, though. Look at who posts what. There are goodposters and there are shitposters. it becomes pretty obvious who is what when you pay attention to who says what.
the majority of the people who post in feedback/requests are good posters who want to see this become a fun balanced game. I'm sure CCP is able to use what seems to be a cess pool like these forums as some actual useable data. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:18:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
I agree with this mostly, except to say that the trends are much easier to see in the data. CCP doesn't have time to figure out who the good posters or the bad posters are, or to try to figure out if they're just championing their own little niche, or trying to support a robust game. Only the data are impartial.
Again, I'm sure they use the forums to some extent. My only point is that it's a secondary consideration. That doesn't mean that our voices aren't heard, only that we aren't all the special snowflakes that we think we are, and CCP doesn't have time to weed through that unless there's a reason - like an anomaly in the data.
They don't pull a codemonkey off the line to do their turn at forum maintenance. Hell, they even hired someone to be the community rep, and established the CPM to help digest all this stuff.
I'm not saying the reaction of everybody on this forum is the be-all-end-all, but it's very important. Not just a secondary concern only to be checked if the numbers do something unexpected. We are the reason why the numbers are there and we are the reason they are going to be balancing things.
there is no reason for CCP to relegate the passionate opinions here as a secondary issue.
In any case, how will they get the correct server numbers if they don't let us know what has changed so we can try it again?
They need to give us weekly updates on nerfs/buffs for too many reasons. |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 21:45:00 -
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madd greazy wrote:more QQ's about where people spent their SP, looks like you should have taken CCP's advice and been careful this time...
No, this isn't that at all.
Nobody is saying"change it back". We are just asking for better patch notes and updates about when this sort of thing happens.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:39:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:All they need is a stickied thread with changes (only they post in the thread). Get an assistant / intern / pr to post the info.
And from time to time they can pop into the "noisy" threads and state why things are so or need more refining.
I really dont understand why you guys are arguing either or when they should be doing both.
If you look closely you'll notice that we are agreeing on the main points, but debating the smaller ones. because why not. |
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