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Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:38:00 - [1] - Quote look I want a Shield v Armor theread of my own Just to state I tank everything Shields,Armor,Shield Regen Armor Pros Mediocre HP boost Basic can take 2 AR rounds Complex can take 4 AR rounds (balence) Repper tools (Balanced) Cons Slow (broke) Low rep speed (balanced) Broken Stuff Ferroscale plates have little Health(semi-broke) Reactive plates have little health/reps (semi-broke) Shield/Regen Tanking Pros Fast Regen(Balanced) Modules aren't broke (Balanced) No drawbacks (semi-broke) Can move at full speed (Balanced) Cons delay to recharge (balanced) Less total EHP with the exception of the one broken suit (Balanced) Personal Fixes PG/CPU can remain unaltered Ferroscale Plates 25-50-75 HP Complex Plates 30HP 1HP/S reps no speed penalty- 45 HP 2HP/S 2% speed penalty- 65 HP 3HP/S 4%speed penalty Armor plates 70 HP 2% speed penalty -90 HP 3% speed penalty - 130HP 4% speed penalty Scan/Hitbox penalty? Constructive Critisism please
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:38:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved
Nin Ker Forsaken Immortals 21	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:39:00 - [3] - Quote I hate doing this but the word is balanced.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:40:00 - [4] - Quote Nin Ker wrote: I hate doing this but the word is balanced. sorry sbout that everyone makes mistakes
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 1485	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:43:00 - [5] - Quote Guys just need to chill...they should lower the pg usage for the new armor plates. But not a big deal if they don't.. everything in this game has a give and take effect to it. It is fine
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Guys just need to chill...they should lower the pg usage for the new armor plates. But not a big deal if they don't.. everything in this game has a give and take effect to it. It is fine Agreed, If I recall I only said one thing was broke outright but there are only little tweaks that I would like
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 436	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:47:00 - [7] - Quote Ydubbs please get in a chat with me about armor v shields if you would please.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 436	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:52:00 - [8] - Quote How many working weapons get extra dps vs shields? Are lazers fixed? The scrambler needs a tighter spread IMO. Any cqc weapons do better vs shields the way OP flaylocks do more to shields any Andes that are like locus that do more to shields? I know shotties don't. How about the fact that armor dies 2nd... Anyone considered the effects of that? The fact that shields must die first before armor? If armor was first to go when getting shot flux's would be op.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 298	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:55:00 - [9] - Quote the other thread is better, very very detailed. @Ydubbs PG is high, but loosing 171 armor to gain 0.65 rep speed is just crap.
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:58:00 - [10] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: How many working weapons get extra dps vs shields? Are lazers fixed? The scrambler needs a tighter spread IMO. Any cqc weapons do better vs shields the way OP flaylocks do more to shields any Andes that are like locus that do more to shields? I know shotties don't. How about the fact that armor dies 2nd... Anyone considered the effects of that? The fact that shields must die first before armor? If armor was first to go when getting shot flux's would be op. 1 LR's and ScR's 2 No 3 Sc Pistol gets a little bounus 4&5 not answering rehtorical questions

Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 85	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:59:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: the other thread is better, very very detailed. @Ydubbs PG is high, but loosing 171 armor to gain 0.65 rep speed is just crap. link I'll kill this thread if the other one isn't QQ city
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 300	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:12:00 - [12] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: the other thread is better, very very detailed. @Ydubbs PG is high, but loosing 171 armor to gain 0.65 rep speed is just crap. link I'll kill this thread if the other one isn't QQ city here
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 85	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:18:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Colonel Killar wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: the other thread is better, very very detailed. @Ydubbs PG is high, but loosing 171 armor to gain 0.65 rep speed is just crap. link I'll kill this thread if the other one isn't QQ city here Oh That old thing it was a great and magnificent thread back in it's day
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 1501	Posted - 2013.07.05 12:08:00 - [14] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Ydubbs please get in a chat with me about armor v shields if you would please. see me in our pub channel...Ahrendee
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1694	Posted - 2013.07.05 12:32:00 - [15] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: look I want a Shield v Armor theread of my own Just to state I tank everything Shields,Armor,Shield Regen Armor Pros Mediocre HP boost Basic can take 2 AR rounds Complex can take 4 AR rounds (balence) Repper tools (Balanced) Cons Slow (broke) Low rep speed (balanced) Broken Stuff Ferroscale plates have little Health(semi-broke) Reactive plates have little health/reps (semi-broke) Shield/Regen Tanking Pros Fast Regen(Balanced) Modules aren't broke (Balanced) No drawbacks (semi-broke) Can move at full speed (Balanced) Cons delay to recharge (balanced) Less total EHP with the exception of the one broken suit (Balanced) Personal Fixes PG/CPU can remain unaltered Ferroscale Plates 25-50-75 HP Complex Plates 30HP 1HP/S reps no speed penalty- 45 HP 2HP/S 2% speed penalty- 65 HP 3HP/S 4%speed penalty Armor plates 70 HP 2% speed penalty -90 HP 3% speed penalty - 130HP 4% speed penalty Scan/Hitbox penalty? Constructive Critisism please Like i said in many other posts, i think the key to balance armor vs shield is to add a penalty to shield. There has been many suggestion on various topics on what it could be (radar signature, bigger hitbox, etc..-¦ But the real key would be to tie a bonus to reduce those penalty depending on the suits : - Say Amarr and Caldari suit get a -5% to shield and armor penalty per level - Gallente -10 % to armor penalty - Minmatar -10% to shield etc.. The purpose being to make dual tanking less interesting as at the moment it mostly favors shield user with the ferroscale and the reactive plate added to the main shield defense that is penalty free. With such a system, you could in fact raise penalties to in fact have them lower that what they are now while skilling up. Another possible way to look at armor penalty would be to lower base walk movement of the armor oriented suit and NOT have the penalty applying to this specific stat (so sprint only). That way, you can actually compensate for the penalty (which you cant now due to the fact there aint no module to buff back base speed) To sum this up, you should have two clear profile : Shield : makes you glow, medium buffer to HP, high regen rate Armor : makes you slow, high buffer to hp, slow repair rate
Sotapopthegrey gay Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 25	Posted - 2013.07.05 12:34:00 - [16] - Quote shield= fast moving + less hp armour= slow moving + lots of hp
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 509	Posted - 2013.07.05 13:04:00 - [17] - Quote Buff damage mods and low slot module that encourages people to run a single tank. Buffed damage mods would help make glass cannons and armor tanks that deal higher damage. Getting players to sacrifice something to gain a bonus on their stats instead of just maxing out defense.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 304	Posted - 2013.07.05 13:21:00 - [18] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: look I want a Shield v Armor theread of my own Just to state I tank everything Shields,Armor,Shield Regen Armor Pros Mediocre HP boost Basic can take 2 AR rounds Complex can take 4 AR rounds (balence) Repper tools (Balanced) Cons Slow (broke) Low rep speed (balanced) Broken Stuff Ferroscale plates have little Health(semi-broke) Reactive plates have little health/reps (semi-broke) Shield/Regen Tanking Pros Fast Regen(Balanced) Modules aren't broke (Balanced) No drawbacks (semi-broke) Can move at full speed (Balanced) Cons delay to recharge (balanced) Less total EHP with the exception of the one broken suit (Balanced) Personal Fixes PG/CPU can remain unaltered Ferroscale Plates 25-50-75 HP Complex Plates 30HP 1HP/S reps no speed penalty- 45 HP 2HP/S 2% speed penalty- 65 HP 3HP/S 4%speed penalty Armor plates 70 HP 2% speed penalty -90 HP 3% speed penalty - 130HP 4% speed penalty Scan/Hitbox penalty? Constructive Critisism please Dude as much as Im sure you put some thought into this/.... you aint nearly on the level of Kitten Empress, Arkena Wyrnspire, BL4CKST4R, and Goebel. Check out their thread see what you think and then post. I promise you what they suggest in there is the only fair way to balance Armour tanking vs shield tanking
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 120	Posted - 2013.07.05 13:47:00 - [19] - Quote Change armor plate speed penalties from 3% / 5% / 10% to 3% / 4% / 5% Change armor repairer base repair rates from 2/3/4 to 3/5/7 Reduce reactive plate fittings noticeably, change the repair rate and speed penalties to 1/2/3, and make the repair systems skill affect reactive plates. Reduce ferroscale plate fittings.
Mobias Wyvern Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.06 00:17:00 - [20] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets

Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2167	Posted - 2013.07.06 01:09:00 - [21] - Quote Mobias Wyvern wrote: Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets In the interest of presenting the full picture: The Enclave Leaves Planetside 2 After Months of No Fights and Broken Patches and Updates CEOPyrex on Supporting Dust 514
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2167	Posted - 2013.07.06 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote Mobias Wyvern wrote: Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets In the interest of presenting the full picture: The Enclave Leaves Planetside 2 After Months of No Fights and Broken Patches and Updates CEOPyrex on Supporting Dust 514


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