Part of the issue is that armor tankers get garbage modules while the shield guys at least get a viable one.

Okay that was well presented and allayed some of my fears.....however after looking at new armour plate stats I'm inclined to say that no BUFFER is given to us and we already have lower EHP than Shields......

Part of the issue is that armor tankers get garbage modules while the shield guys at least get a viable one.

Add that in to the advantage shield tankers already have and that is why people are freaking out.

CCP should have responded to those big threads.

Okay that was well presented and allayed some of my fears.....however after looking at new armour plate stats I'm inclined to say that no BUFFER is given to us and we already have lower EHP than Shields......

Here's the solution then....

Step 1:
Like in EVE - Add Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes... 20% base, 27.5% Advanced, 35% Proto resist bonus, across the board.

Step 2: Add an armor skill that increases the base armor repaired... in addition to the repair rate ("ticks per second").

Poof... tank-ability improved, buffer improved.... no plates required.

Thoughts?

Well, in EVE, I am a dedicated armor tanker, so I am familiar with both sides of the divide.

But people mix both sides of the argument, and each should be reviewed based on their own merits.

Rather than provide armor buffer... why not give armor resists? If you could fit a damage control unit on a drop suit (i.e. 50% damage reduction), then that 250 armor becomes 500 *effective*... which is much better, no?

This will be a side-buff to armor repairers too... as each HP repped will actually be 1.5 points (in this example). Armor tankers also need a skill that not only increases armor repair rate (i.e. hp/second), but that increases raw hp repped (i.e. 1 point per level... much like the suit bonus).


... but don't QQ about shield because armor is *kitten*. QQ about armor being *kitten*, and make suggestions on how to fix armor.

Hiya,

So, shield energizers, at the proto level, give you a -6% base shield a 60% recharge rate increase. Seems OP, but don't forget a couple of things.

1 - This module is a high-slot module, so it does more than remove 6% of base shield... it removes a slot. In other words, it will most likely replace a Complex Shield Mod... meaning it will remove 6% of the base shield, PLUS the 66hp from the module that isn't fitted.

2 - Shield recharge rate isn't instantaneous. There are a several seconds after receiving damage before the recharge kicks in. Yes, this module means that the shield will recharge faster once the the recharge starts... however, as most engagements (1v1) are 3-5 second affairs, this won't have a major impact on these.

3 - While I have not yet been in game to check them out, I agree with the following:
a) If the fitting requirements are too low, this is a problem. They should require as much CPU/PG as extenders.
b) They need to be skill-based... so you should need level 5 in a skill to use the Proto modules... much like the extenders.


As a dedicated shield guy, let me tell you that it is the BUFFER, not the RECHARGE, that saves me in fights. I've tried dropping a shield extender in favor of an extra damage mod, and I can tell you that I die WAY faster... well before my shield recharge kicks in.

On the surface, these stats seem OP. We already know that CCP has another release planned for early August, and that they aren't against mid-cycle stat changes (see the TAC assault rifle for an example).... so how about everyone take a Valium and we'll see how this plays out.

No offense but you are doing it wrong. Use regulators to drop the delay, drop one SE for one of these Rechargers and move cover to cover. Shield tanking is really that simple.

Hiya,

So, shield energizers, at the proto level, give you a -6% base shield a 60% recharge rate increase. Seems OP, but don't forget a couple of things.

1 - This module is a high-slot module, so it does more than remove 6% of base shield... it removes a slot. In other words, it will most likely replace a Complex Shield Mod... meaning it will remove 6% of the base shield, PLUS the 66hp from the module that isn't fitted.

2 - Shield recharge rate isn't instantaneous. There are a several seconds after receiving damage before the recharge kicks in. Yes, this module means that the shield will recharge faster once the the recharge starts... however, as most engagements (1v1) are 3-5 second affairs, this won't have a major impact on these.

3 - While I have not yet been in game to check them out, I agree with the following:
a) If the fitting requirements are too low, this is a problem. They should require as much CPU/PG as extenders.
b) They need to be skill-based... so you should need level 5 in a skill to use the Proto modules... much like the extenders.


As a dedicated shield guy, let me tell you that it is the BUFFER, not the RECHARGE, that saves me in fights. I've tried dropping a shield extender in favor of an extra damage mod, and I can tell you that I die WAY faster... well before my shield recharge kicks in.

On the surface, these stats seem OP. We already know that CCP has another release planned for early August, and that they aren't against mid-cycle stat changes (see the TAC assault rifle for an example).... so how about everyone take a Valium and we'll see how this plays out.

Hiya,

So, shield energizers, at the proto level, give you a -6% base shield a 60% recharge rate increase. Seems OP, but don't forget a couple of things.

1 - This module is a high-slot module, so it does more than remove 6% of base shield... it removes a slot. In other words, it will most likely replace a Complex Shield Mod... meaning it will remove 6% of the base shield, PLUS the 66hp from the module that isn't fitted.

2 - Shield recharge rate isn't instantaneous. There are a several seconds after receiving damage before the recharge kicks in. Yes, this module means that the shield will recharge faster once the the recharge starts... however, as most engagements (1v1) are 3-5 second affairs, this won't have a major impact on these.

3 - While I have not yet been in game to check them out, I agree with the following:
a) If the fitting requirements are too low, this is a problem. They should require as much CPU/PG as extenders.
b) They need to be skill-based... so you should need level 5 in a skill to use the Proto modules... much like the extenders.


As a dedicated shield guy, let me tell you that it is the BUFFER, not the RECHARGE, that saves me in fights. I've tried dropping a shield extender in favor of an extra damage mod, and I can tell you that I die WAY faster... well before my shield recharge kicks in.

On the surface, these stats seem OP. We already know that CCP has another release planned for early August, and that they aren't against mid-cycle stat changes (see the TAC assault rifle for an example).... so how about everyone take a Valium and we'll see how this plays out.

Part of the issue is that armor tankers get garbage modules while the shield guys at least get a viable w one.

Add that in to the advantage shield tankers already have and that is why people are freaking out.

CCP should have responded to those big threads.

CCP answers the balance issue by indirectly balancing with weapon bonuses against shields, flux grenades, plc, AR, laser, scr, scp, sniper rifles all do bonus to shields and sometimes reduced dmg to armor. And soon to come, plasma rifle, rail rifle, I heard heavy laser. There is your balance, basically 3/4 of the weapons in the game do more dmg to shields. But I enjoy your tears, I shall add them to my cereal tomorrow.