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TheGoebel
Kite Co. Couriers
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:18:00 -
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I only have a few minutes to write this so I apologize if this is post doesn't give the credit deserved by all the people I wish to thank.
Okay, so the new armor modules are out. They are sub par stats wise and do very little to help me, as an armor tanker, be competitive. This issue isn't neither new to the game or new to ccp. This thread here has responses from the CPM as well as CCP and this thread does an incredible job outlining the imbalances after the E3 video.
So we, namely Arkena Wyrnspire, BL4CKST4R and Cross Atu, have done our due diligence to bring this problem to light and were told it was to be resolved shortly. It's not resolved.
So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
272
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:20:00 -
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TheGoebel wrote:I only have a few minutes to write this so I apologize if this is post doesn't give the credit deserved by all the people I wish to thank. Okay, so the new armor modules are out. They are sub par stats wise and do very little to help me, as an armor tanker, be competitive. This issue isn't neither new to the game or new to ccp. This thread here has responses from the CPM as well as CCP and this thread does an incredible job outlining the imbalances after the E3 video. So we, namely Arkena Wyrnspire, BL4CKST4R and Cross Atu, have done our due diligence to bring this problem to light and were told it was to be resolved shortly. It's not resolved. So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think?
I'd keep running up threads about core armour tanking in the suggestions thread, I've been following you guys since I support all f the suggestions that were made.
We need to make this a Crusade!
FOR THE ARMOUR! |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
443
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:21:00 -
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TheGoebel wrote:I only have a few minutes to write this so I apologize if this is post doesn't give the credit deserved by all the people I wish to thank. Okay, so the new armor modules are out. They are sub par stats wise and do very little to help me, as an armor tanker, be competitive. This issue isn't neither new to the game or new to ccp. This thread here has responses from the CPM as well as CCP and this thread does an incredible job outlining the imbalances after the E3 video. So we, namely Arkena Wyrnspire, BL4CKST4R and Cross Atu, have done our due diligence to bring this problem to light and were told it was to be resolved shortly. It's not resolved. So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think?
I think that no matter what you do, no matter what lengths you go to fix dust, ccp will not cooperate with us. give up, yo. ps4 is almost here |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:25:00 -
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You've all done a lot of great work that, despite lipservice to the contrary, seems to have been ignored.
I'm not really sure what to say. The plate figures ending up the same as the video despite that being cited as nothing to go by would be bad by then there's the debacle of that completely absurd shield module... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
274
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:35:00 -
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I didn't think I'd say this anytime soon, especially after getting into EVE and seeing all of CCP's new found transparency....but
I'm utterly disappointed by you CCP, why did this thread never even receive a proper dev post?
It's like you chose to ignore it over troll threads simply to spite the guys who put their time and effort into review and helping your improve your game. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
778
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:38:00 -
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I'd say add advanced level multi-stream triage repair tools. Even militia and standard variants. That's one of the greatest benefits of armour tanking; logibros have something their reppers can bite into.
Keep armour tanking, ladies and gentlemen, and I'll keep repping.
(not to mention being picked up at 80% armour as an armour tanking is greatly preferable to 80% armour as a shield tanker. Although in the highly-competitive, highly-laggy PC stage, no one uses jabbers anyway) |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1440
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:40:00 -
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TheGoebel wrote:I only have a few minutes to write this so I apologize if this is post doesn't give the credit deserved by all the people I wish to thank. Okay, so the new armor modules are out. They are sub par stats wise and do very little to help me, as an armor tanker, be competitive. This issue isn't neither new to the game or new to ccp. This thread here has responses from the CPM as well as CCP and this thread does an incredible job outlining the imbalances after the E3 video. So we, namely Arkena Wyrnspire, BL4CKST4R and Cross Atu, have done our due diligence to bring this problem to light and were told it was to be resolved shortly. It's not resolved. So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think?
Add me to the list.
I cowrote it with Arkena.
I brought to light many problems, and wrote some stuff in the thread. (Though he fancied it up a bit, because his grammar is better) |
Daedric Lothar
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
804
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:43:00 -
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TheGoebel wrote:
So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think?
Gran Turismo 6 Demo comes out tonight at 8pm EST. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
426
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:46:00 -
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As long as the core flaylock remains the most dominant weapon in the game armor tanking will always be an act of futility. It doesn't matter how much armor HP you have, u still get 1 shot on a direct hit and 2 shot from splash damage once you are into armor. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
282
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:49:00 -
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They may have needed to get them out into the wild before they could tweak them. Remember, they did say they just wanted to get the patch out there a.s.a.p. I'm glad they did, because I'm already seeing a improvement to gameplay overall.
Also, I think they have a holiday.
Ahem.
FOR THE ARMOUR! |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
278
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:56:00 -
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TheGoebel wrote:Armor tanking, what now?
We'll slowly die off like the Scouts, and the Heavies before them, and be replaced with Caldari Logi douche bags toting MLG slogans everwhere and Dust 514 will have lost all of its vision and goal and become a poor imitation of Battlefield, BlackLight, and CoD |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T
EoN.
291
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:11:00 -
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If anyone needs me I will be way way way back in the redline, good day |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
Defiant Legacy
285
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:17:00 -
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TheGoebel wrote:So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think?
Did you try the new modules? The patch has only been out an hour. How about you try the new modules? |
Nightbird Aeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Omega Commission
196
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:19:00 -
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What Armor tanking needs isn't a buffer - it is damage mitigation. Give armor tankers the ability to equip resistance modules, like EANMs (energized adaptive nano membranes) or DCUs (damage control units), which give damage resistance bonuses to the armor plate.
If you get a DCU that has an omni-tank of 50% across the board (i.e. Thermal, Kinetic, EM and Explosive), your armor may only have 250 points... but you'll need to take 500 damage to bleed through it.
Thoughts? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
285
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:22:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:TheGoebel wrote:So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think? Did you try the new modules? The patch has only been out an hour. How about you try the new modules?
I can understand why a Minnie might say this..... finally figured out who defiant legacy are....and actively avoid them while complexing.
Issue remains that Ferroscale only really benefits the scout class which isn't out yet, Reactives only really have maginal benefits over reg plates and still have poor EHP gains where as shield naturally have a great recharge rate with no module requirements....while I have to stack to complex module to attain half of that EHP regen. |
Ryuichi Kakihara
Rautaleijona
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:23:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:TheGoebel wrote:So now what? Do we put in for respecs (I already did)? Do we rage-quit? Do we continue to attempt to work with a company not interested in us? What do you think? Did you try the new modules? The patch has only been out an hour. How about you try the new modules?
Why ? You don't need to try them to know that a basic plate and an enhanced rep is better than 2 enhanced rep plates or what ever they are, or would you rather have 50hp and 2hp/s or 65hp 3h/ps |
TheGoebel
Kite Co. Couriers
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:18:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:They may have needed to get them out into the wild before they could tweak them. Remember, they did say they just wanted to get the patch out there a.s.a.p. I'm glad they did, because I'm already seeing a improvement to gameplay overall.
Also, I think they have a holiday.
Ahem.
FOR THE ARMOUR!
We did the work for them, all they had to read. Heck, we did work based on information they never felt like the needed to officially release. Many logic-ganks were had and the numbers never lied. There was clearly some discrepancies.
Cat Merc wrote:
Add me to the list.
I cowrote it with Arkena.
I brought to light many problems, and wrote some stuff in the thread. (Though he fancied it up a bit, because his grammar is better)
Sorry, I was on lunch so I couldn't spend the time that you and the other contributors deserved on writing up a thank you. Nonetheless, thank you and I'm sorry.
Vyzion Eyri wrote:
Keep armour tanking, ladies and gentlemen, and I'll keep repping.
Logi-bros-4-lyfe |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
85
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:26:00 -
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We could attempt to resurect Shield>Armor just post there |
TheGoebel
Kite Co. Couriers
10
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:34:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:We could attempt to resurect Shield>Armor just post there
If that worked, wouldn't it have worked already? |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals
EoN.
382
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:37:00 -
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Well CCP tends to favor Caldari everything. The Caldari are shield tankers. CCP must feel that shield shall always be greater than armor.
*grasping at straws here* |
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WhiskeyJack Otako
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
61
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:41:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:What Armor tanking needs isn't a buffer - it is damage mitigation. Give armor tankers the ability to equip resistance modules, like EANMs (energized adaptive nano membranes) or DCUs (damage control units), which give damage resistance bonuses to the armor plate.
If you get a DCU that has an omni-tank of 50% across the board (i.e. Thermal, Kinetic, EM and Explosive), your armor may only have 250 points... but you'll need to take 500 damage to bleed through it.
Thoughts?
This. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
1723
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:42:00 -
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Any ******* with a Mass Driver will tear armor tankers apart. Never noticed how bad it was until I traded my plates for Ferroscales/Reactives. Two well placed mass driver rounds and youre done for.
Truth is, theres more **** that kills armor than there is that kills shields. Its not JUST mobility its the weapons being used. Sure, being able to run faster is nice, but it isnt worth the reduced survivability that comes from not fitting normal plates.
And to be honest, if you even CAN fit the new plates, bravo. ******* PG needs are so extensive its not even worth it. Easier to fit Shield modules on armor tanking suits than it is to fit the new plates. Suffice to say, armor tankers need a HEFTY bonus to PG to beeffective, but even then Shield Tankers still have the edge with appliedbonuses from Assault suits andthe Caldari Logi.
The only suits that help armor tankers out are logistics and they have reduced HP and Mobility anyway, so its self defeating.
1.2 Death of the Armor Tanke |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2469
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:46:00 -
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Armor tanking is gimping yourself. This is something that should have been fixed already, but the fact is, if you're not using the Caldari Logi suit, you're playing DUST wrong.
To the people that wanted to be different and do something else, you've nerfed yourself. If there's another respec, watch how many people will switch to Cal Logi...IT'S THE ONLY SUIT THAT'S WORTH ANYTHING IF YOU WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE.
I can't believe such an imbalance is lasting this long. I have a Gallente medium, and I armor tank, and it's a joke. Nades and Flaylocks, the 2 most common things on the battlefield now, both affecting armor more than shields. |
TheGoebel
Kite Co. Couriers
11
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Any ******* with a Mass Driver will tear armor tankers apart.
People forget that, they argue flux grenades this, lazers that but the fact is grenades, flaylocks and MDs to150% damage to armor. When your armors gone, there's no running and hiding, you're just dead.
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