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BullsON Parade SamsClub 0	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:05:00 - [1] - Quote As jumping around as if you were on fire has become a popular fad for avoiding cannon fodder, I suggest this: x2 dmg recieved while in mid air. You can still use this strat to avoid fire but keeps this game grounded and away from a halo style fps. Discuss
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 466	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote Well, what about strafing too? Take the FPS silliness out of my SciFi War Sim.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4234	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:08:00 - [3] - Quote I suggest aiming better, but that's not always an option. In those cases, I suggest committing suicide in a public area, just don't let station management catch you
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:08:00 - [4] - Quote Stamina is already in place to stop bunnyhopping. Also, jumping while getting shot at is absolutely realistic.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 155	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:09:00 - [5] - Quote I'd suggest Decrease in accuracy by 50% or something rather than damage and/or if you get hit in air you lose all stamina. You just got hit by a bullet in the air you arent landing how you wanted to.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2162	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:09:00 - [6] - Quote Aim where they're jumping so so yet jump into your fire, simple solutions work best.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 155	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:09:00 - [7] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 wrote: Stamina is already in place to stop bunnyhopping. Also, jumping while getting shot at is absolutely realistic. see how he didnt land how he wanted to :P
Sleepy Zan Sleepytime Gorilla Mercenaries 2337	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote BURN IN HELL!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 171	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:13:00 - [9] - Quote Hop or drop.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 155	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:13:00 - [10] - Quote BullsON Parade wrote: As jumping around as if you were on fire has become a popular fad for avoiding cannon fodder, I suggest this: x2 dmg recieved while in mid air. You can still use this strat to avoid fire but keeps this game grounded and away from a halo style fps. Discuss Or you know just take the ability to jump your own height out of the game. but then CCP would have to make straddle animations for jumping on boxes and going over rails. Pretty sure CCP is incapable of doing that.

BullsON Parade SamsClub 2	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:18:00 - [11] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Well, what about strafing too? Take the FPS silliness out of my SciFi War Sim. By that logic, there should be jet pack, worm holes, and jet boots. Now thats,! an fps
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4235	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:19:00 - [12] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: BURN IN HELL! Scouts are OP and you know it, they need at least 3 more drastic nerfs before they're acceptable
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 467	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:23:00 - [13] - Quote BullsON Parade wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Well, what about strafing too? Take the FPS silliness out of my SciFi War Sim. By that logic, there should be jet pack, worm holes, and jet boots. Now thats,! an fps Jet boots? I'd be cool with Jet Packs on one condition, they're like the San Andreas jet packs (which is to say that they are fairly slow and not the greatest at maneuverability). Oh, and if I can kill the user by one shotting the LAV sized hitbox of a pack on their back providing propulsion. Also, we've already got wormholes, re: Drop Uplinks.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 155	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:23:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: BURN IN HELL! Scouts are OP and you know it, they need at least 3 more drastic nerfs before they're acceptable Just a note: yes i want hops nerfed....for every class but Scouts. Scouts should be shouting for this as well when a minmatar assault can run as fast as the fastest scout build. Bunny hopping assault and logis have destroyed the scout class as much as anything.
BullsON Parade SamsClub 2	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:26:00 - [15] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: BullsON Parade wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Well, what about strafing too? Take the FPS silliness out of my SciFi War Sim. By that logic, there should be jet pack, worm holes, and jet boots. Now thats,! an fps Jet boots? I'd be cool with Jet Packs on one condition, they're like the San Andreas jet packs (which is to say that they are fairly slow and not the greatest at maneuverability). Oh, and if I can kill the user by one shotting the LAV sized hitbox of a pack on their back providing propulsion. Also, we've already got wormholes, re: Drop Uplinks. That was dripping with sarcasm.... Avoidance over aiming skill= bad fps
Daylon Daxx DUST University Ivy League 40	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:27:00 - [16] - Quote BullsON Parade wrote: As jumping around as if you were on fire has become a popular fad for avoiding cannon fodder, I suggest this: x2 dmg recieved while in mid air. You can still use this strat to avoid fire but keeps this game grounded and away from a halo style fps. Discuss I have a simple solution.... STOP SHOOTING AT ME!!!!
Shadowswipe WarRavens League of Infamy 130	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:28:00 - [17] - Quote As a sniper, I welcome you to jump... I know right where you are going to land and might even get there to line up a headshot before you land.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 469	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:29:00 - [18] - Quote BullsON Parade wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: BullsON Parade wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Well, what about strafing too? Take the FPS silliness out of my SciFi War Sim. By that logic, there should be jet pack, worm holes, and jet boots. Now thats,! an fps Jet boots? I'd be cool with Jet Packs on one condition, they're like the San Andreas jet packs (which is to say that they are fairly slow and not the greatest at maneuverability). Oh, and if I can kill the user by one shotting the LAV sized hitbox of a pack on their back providing propulsion. Also, we've already got wormholes, re: Drop Uplinks. That was dripping with sarcasm.... Avoidance over aiming skill= bad fps Well then, allow me to agree with you then. I still hope for Dust to lean more towards SciFi War Sim than silly bunnyhopping, strafing FPS trash like most of the rest of the saturated market.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 155	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:31:00 - [19] - Quote hooc roht wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: BURN IN HELL! Scouts are OP and you know it, they need at least 3 more drastic nerfs before they're acceptable Just a note: yes i want hops nerfed....for every class but Scouts. Scouts should be shouting for this as well when a minmatar assault can run as fast as the fastest scout build. Bunny hopping assault and logis have destroyed the scout class as much as anything. Another note: Scouts should be able to run while crouched. If CCP wants to make a ninja/rogue class then it should make a ninja/rogue class not the BS it has now which is basically an assault with less health.
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote The jumping mechanic is foolish. I would prefer the jumping height and distance not be as extreme. Unfortunately for those of us that prefer a little more realism, CCP has designed map terrains around this extreme jumping mechanic. If the foolishly high jumping was removed, a good amount of map terrain would have been created in vain.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4236	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:42:00 - [21] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: If the foolishly high jumping was removed It's almost as if our little human foot soldiers were actually cloned "super" soldiers wearing futuristic body armor that amplifies its wearers physical capabilities. Hmmm.
Rigor Mordis Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack 56	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:45:00 - [22] - Quote I'm pretty sure that there is something like this already in place. I have scored several "gift" kills with sniper rifles on clones trying to jump off of a structure or even just jumping while sprinting across an open area. Now granted, most people don't hop until they have taken damage, but I call them gifts because there is NO WAY that my shot even hit the target much less scored a death-dealing headshot. Its just like magic. The round turns "smart" because the target is airborne. With that said, I think people get screwed by the hoppers at close range. The smgs and pistols do not swing (aim) fast enough to counter a bouncing shotgunner or flaylock tuber unless you are hipfiring in which case one will likely need both help and luck to come out alive. And, with that said, one only has themselves and their team to blame for said enemy to have approached undetected. In all, I think the jumping being tied to stamina is the right way to go. If your strategy is to be a hopper, then you must burn a mod slot for regeneration, and you have to skill the biotics and cardiac regulation. A 5% max stamina boost isn't anything but with the 15% possible boost to recovery, its one or two more jumps or sprints to either get behind, or come out from behind that little bit of cover then run a mod on top of it. IDK how many times I been suckered into chasing a scout with a militia shotgun around a corner, only to have the slippery turd be in mid-air as I rounded the corner and deal me a doodoo blast to the face. Bravo Mr. Scout, Bravo.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 155	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:48:00 - [23] - Quote While i think jumping makes sense (and height too we are super soldiers) getting hit midair should have consequences. Even if it means getting spun around or smoe crap so you arent going the way you were before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhvtID8uzTU&feature=youtu.be&t=35s ( i turn your video against you) and raise you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8xTJxr3hLQ (if you dont think bullets hit at that force you are wrong physics FTW) This video at 2:20 cuz it was awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTQm4AU3caY
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 156	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:49:00 - [24] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: The jumping mechanic is foolish. I would prefer the jumping height and distance not be as extreme. Unfortunately for those of us that prefer a little more realism, CCP has designed map terrains around this extreme jumping mechanic. If the foolishly high jumping was removed, a good amount of map terrain would have been created in vain. CCP could make a straddle and/or climb mechanic if they were not so incompetent.
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:53:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Eno Raef wrote: If the foolishly high jumping was removed It's almost as if our little human foot soldiers were actually cloned "super" soldiers wearing futuristic body armor that amplifies its wearers physical capabilities. Hmmm. I see what you're getting at but to clarify, not all the species are human. Aside from the trivial... Regardless of our opinions, CCP probably shouldn't remove this mechanic since the terrain is designed around jumping. That was a more important statement than my opinion of the jumping as foolishly high. As such, Game mechanics are more important than having a cool story, bro.
Viktor Zokas 187. League of Infamy 8	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:53:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I suggest aiming better, but that's not always an option. In those cases, I suggest committing suicide in a public area, just don't let station management catch you It's strictly forbidden.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4238	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:54:00 - [27] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: It's strictly forbidden. PHUQ DA POLEIZ
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2151	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:54:00 - [28] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: I'd suggest Decrease in accuracy by 50% or something rather than damage and/or if you get hit in air you lose all stamina. You just got hit by a bullet in the air you arent landing how you wanted to. Exactly.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 446	Posted - 2013.07.01 21:59:00 - [29] - Quote hooc roht wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: BURN IN HELL! Scouts are OP and you know it, they need at least 3 more drastic nerfs before they're acceptable Just a note: yes i want hops nerfed....for every class but Scouts. Scouts should be shouting for this as well when a minmatar assault can run as fast as the fastest scout build. Bunny hopping assault and logis have destroyed the scout class as much as anything. How anyone thinks bunny hopping is an issue in this game only suggest that peoples aim in this game is utter crap. Sorry but given the extremely slow pace of movement and the laughably predictable jumping hitting your target is easy as this Put you gun where they are going to land and fire as they drop back down.
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:03:00 - [30] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Eno Raef wrote: The jumping mechanic is foolish. I would prefer the jumping height and distance not be as extreme. Unfortunately for those of us that prefer a little more realism, CCP has designed map terrains around this extreme jumping mechanic. If the foolishly high jumping was removed, a good amount of map terrain would have been created in vain. CCP could make a straddle and/or climb mechanic if they were not so incompetent. As other players have mentioned, Dust clones could be super soldiers so as far as the story goes, they should have the finger strength to scale cliffs. A hurdling mechanic is common in other FPS such as BF, COD, and other FPS.

KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 157	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:05:00 - [31] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: How anyone thinks bunny hopping is an issue in this game only suggest that peoples aim in this game is utter crap. Sorry but given the extremely slow pace of movement and the laughably predictable jumping hitting your target is easy as this Put you gun where they are going to land and fire as they drop back down. pretty sure my suggestion requires you to be able to aim
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 471	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:10:00 - [32] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: hooc roht wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: BURN IN HELL! Scouts are OP and you know it, they need at least 3 more drastic nerfs before they're acceptable Just a note: yes i want hops nerfed....for every class but Scouts. Scouts should be shouting for this as well when a minmatar assault can run as fast as the fastest scout build. Bunny hopping assault and logis have destroyed the scout class as much as anything. How anyone thinks bunny hopping is an issue in this game only suggest that peoples aim in this game is utter crap. Sorry but given the extremely slow pace of movement and the laughably predictable jumping hitting your target is easy as this Put you gun where they are going to land and fire as they drop back down. I don't have a problem with aiming at them, I just think it looks stupid.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 204	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:10:00 - [33] - Quote BullsON Parade wrote: As jumping around as if you were on fire has become a popular fad for avoiding cannon fodder, I suggest this: x2 dmg recieved while in mid air. You can still use this strat to avoid fire but keeps this game grounded and away from a halo style fps. Discuss Yeah let's try to avoid making this anything like Halo, we all know how unsuccessful and boring the gameplay in that franchise is.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 446	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:11:00 - [34] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: How anyone thinks bunny hopping is an issue in this game only suggest that peoples aim in this game is utter crap. Sorry but given the extremely slow pace of movement and the laughably predictable jumping hitting your target is easy as this Put you gun where they are going to land and fire as they drop back down. pretty sure my suggestion requires you to be able to aim Your suggestion is moot because this "issue" isn't an Issue. Its hardly widespread and against competent players its a death sentence. Fact is speed is a far better evasive tactic as is strafing over bunnyhopping. Will the occasional hop rescue you, sure against a really bad opponent who doesn't expect it and even then its buying you a brief interlude at best. The movement speed in this game isn't fast enough for you to bunny hop to break someones aim AND escape and as far as returning fire if a person can shoot you while they are in mid air and moving then you are tracking them on while on your feet then you deserved to lose that firefight.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 499	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:19:00 - [35] - Quote Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 158	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:21:00 - [36] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp edit: btw i dont think jumping is an issue but OP is not wrong
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 472	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:23:00 - [37] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp The stairs aren't a problem, it is the slopes on hills and the curbs surrounding things that are a problem.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 499	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:24:00 - [38] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp Yes forgot about stairs my immortal clone can manage to run up stairs perfectly fine until he gets to the top step at which point he freezes in apparent bewilderment wondering why the last step becomes an insurmountable object.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 206	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:29:00 - [39] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp edit: btw i dont think jumping is an issue but OP is not wrong He is wrong he said that we should get away from halo, if anything we should make the gameplay more like halo then people would play because its fun and not just to grind SP.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 158	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:29:00 - [40] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp edit: btw i dont think jumping is an issue but OP is not wrong He is wrong he said that we should get away from halo, if anything we should make the gameplay more like halo then people would play because its fun and not just to grind SP. touche but not super close to halo

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 472	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:30:00 - [41] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp edit: btw i dont think jumping is an issue but OP is not wrong He is wrong he said that we should get away from halo, if anything we should make the gameplay more like halo then people would play because its fun and not just to grind SP. If we should be moving towards gameplay similar to any other shooter, it should be the ARMA series not the Call of Halo Series.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 158	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:32:00 - [42] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp edit: btw i dont think jumping is an issue but OP is not wrong He is wrong he said that we should get away from halo, if anything we should make the gameplay more like halo then people would play because its fun and not just to grind SP. If we should be moving towards gameplay similar to any other shooter, it should be the ARMA series not the Call of Halo Series. I really like ARMA and OLD Operation Flashpoint but with shields and stuff it makes it hard for a "hardcore" type game
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 472	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:33:00 - [43] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Dont nerf jumping I have enough difficulty getting stuck on curbs as it is. i cant help but keep bringing it up but stairs omg stairs fix that crap ccp edit: btw i dont think jumping is an issue but OP is not wrong He is wrong he said that we should get away from halo, if anything we should make the gameplay more like halo then people would play because its fun and not just to grind SP. If we should be moving towards gameplay similar to any other shooter, it should be the ARMA series not the Call of Halo Series. I really like ARMA and OLD Operation Flashpoint but with shields and stuff it makes it hard for a "hardcore" type game Which is why I said "SciFi War Sim". I have confidence it could still be done.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 293	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:42:00 - [44] - Quote LOL Broke game is broke game! Taking away LOL HALO hop is not going to fix this broke game.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 557	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:43:00 - [45] - Quote Gosh ppl who play dust are such idiots. If anything straffing and jumping need an increase not a decrease. Freaking super soldiers running around in super suits getting stuck on 1mm high objects is already annoying and now you want to nerf the ability to get unstuck from the 1mm object just because you cant hit someone who uses the laughably slow jump? Can anyone say learn to aim? BTW you do need to learn to aim if you dont have at least a 4 KDR in this game.
Rigor Mordis Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack 56	Posted - 2013.07.02 02:56:00 - [46] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Gosh ppl who play dust are such idiots. Looks at everyone here.


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