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N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:13:00 -
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So i find that as a heavy, needing more range sucks but the Flaylock gives extra range
It's insane. It must be at least 60 meters. If there out of range from a hmg the flaylock will take care of them.
once you find out the way the arc works which isn't that hard to find out. or get used too. It's a beast at a distance.
Getting direct hits isn't that hard with some practice. So not only does this gun have almost no pg usage. Is a beast with splash damage a beast at cqc it is also good at semi long range. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:17:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Arc?
Are we talking about the flaylock, or a mass driver? it has a little arc. It's more noticeable shooting from range. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:22:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I got killed twice by Flaylocks in the past 3 days... I really don't understand why you guys are complaining about it... they don't kill me often either because i have really high ehp. But i can tell it's way to easy to be accurate and abuse the range it has |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:27:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:I got killed twice by Flaylocks in the past 3 days... I really don't understand why you guys are complaining about it... they don't kill me often either because i have really high ehp. But i can tell it's way to easy to be accurate and abuse the range it has lol, so you don't get killed by it, but you can tell the wielder is abusing it? Pretentious much? My aim sucks, thats have the reason i am a heavy. So if i can aim good with it anyone can. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:31:00 -
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This is just with the advanced Pistol. |
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:38:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:The Core Flaylock Pistols are a bigger problem than you guys believe. Well, which is it then, the range too far, the accuracy too high, the damage too high, the ROF too high, or the splash too high? I've seen all of these posted in the last few days with no actual facts to back any of it up. I don't see every other Merc (or even half that) running around with any Flaylock. Until I do, it isn't a problem, merely a perceived one. I don't need to use facts to prove that something is a problem. It's to easy to use. The Accuracy is to high, which i can't back up with the facts because the accuracy meter doesn't make sense. Damage is too high, and it is to easy to abuse splash damage. Because the gun is so accurate. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:50:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Buster Friently wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:The Core Flaylock Pistols are a bigger problem than you guys believe. Well, which is it then, the range too far, the accuracy too high, the damage too high, the ROF too high, or the splash too high? I've seen all of these posted in the last few days with no actual facts to back any of it up. I don't see every other Merc (or even half that) running around with any Flaylock. Until I do, it isn't a problem, merely a perceived one. I don't need to use facts to prove that something is a problem. It's to easy to use. The Accuracy is to high, which i can't back up with the facts because the accuracy meter doesn't make sense. Damage is too high, and it is to easy to abuse splash damage. Because the gun is so accurate. These aren't facts. I'm willing to entertain that this weapon is a problem. Show some killfeeds, let's get some statistics on it. Otherwise, it's just whining. It's just my opinion about the gun. I know other people agree. But you have to agree it's a little to strong in multiple areas |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:59:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:If you are getting hit at range by an FP it is your fault though. You can dodge those.
As a heavy maybe you need to carry a pistol if the flaylock is becoming an issue.
Also heavies probably need a mid range weapon to deal with some of these issues. thats like blaming a player who gets tagged by a sniper he can't see. It's not his fault. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:46:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Here's what I think about it. Unlike a lot of weapons, the AR and HMG in particular, the Flaylock has a high skill ceiling. This means that players who practice with it, get very good with it. I don't think that makes it OP, or too good, by any measure.
Now, if it is the case that people are getting kills disproportionately, or half the players migrate to it, then yeah, there's a problem. I don't see this though.
High skill ceiling? Are you serious? It takes the intelligence of a toddler to use that thing. I swear every post I read from you its clear you've never used it, you have no idea what it does or how it works. You've obviously never played in PC... hell im beginning to wonder if you've ever actually played a match in this game at all. it doesn't take much skill at all to use. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 01:59:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Here's what I think about it. Unlike a lot of weapons, the AR and HMG in particular, the Flaylock has a high skill ceiling. This means that players who practice with it, get very good with it. I don't think that makes it OP, or too good, by any measure.
Now, if it is the case that people are getting kills disproportionately, or half the players migrate to it, then yeah, there's a problem. I don't see this though.
High skill ceiling? Are you serious? It takes the intelligence of a toddler to use that thing. I swear every post I read from you its clear you've never used it, you have no idea what it does or how it works. You've obviously never played in PC... hell im beginning to wonder if you've ever actually played a match in this game at all. it doesn't take much skill at all to use. Well, get to it then. Let's see your killfeed with it. Thats not the point. People that used the tac AR didn't get amazing huge killfeeds. It just doesn't take all that much skill. Like a swarm launcher. Kinda just point and click flaylock is kind of the same thing, you see it aim for the ground and win. |
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N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 02:32:00 -
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loumanchew wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Here's what I think about it. Unlike a lot of weapons, the AR and HMG in particular, the Flaylock has a high skill ceiling. This means that players who practice with it, get very good with it. I don't think that makes it OP, or too good, by any measure.
Now, if it is the case that people are getting kills disproportionately, or half the players migrate to it, then yeah, there's a problem. I don't see this though.
High skill ceiling? Are you serious? It takes the intelligence of a toddler to use that thing. I swear every post I read from you its clear you've never used it, you have no idea what it does or how it works. You've obviously never played in PC... hell im beginning to wonder if you've ever actually played a match in this game at all. it doesn't take much skill at all to use. You are right, but then again so doesn't the AR and SMG. For once CCP has gotten it right on the nose with what a weapon is supposed to be good at. The proto is pretty efficient but nowhere near a Duvolle while the lower versions are pretty crappy. Now there is something else that can kill, other than the standard weapon of choice, and I think it should be embraced rather than watered down to only be brought back to the stone age that is the AR. Well the flaylock has splash damage where the ar doesn't. the flaylock also has a faster reload, of course only with 3 rounds a shot. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:04:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:[ I don't need to use facts to prove that something is a problem. Stop posting. I'll admit that was a stupid thing to say. I'm sorry. But you have to admit that it is a problem, and i could pull up the stats but people know them so i don't have too. |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 03:30:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:If you are getting hit at range by an FP it is your fault though. You can dodge those.
As a heavy maybe you need to carry a pistol if the flaylock is becoming an issue.
Also heavies probably need a mid range weapon to deal with some of these issues. thats like blaming a player who gets tagged by a sniper he can't see. It's not his fault. Snipers like me - I'm free lunch (Scout) but I go hunt them down on my next clone. If a flaylock user rapid fires you from range and you dont see it then that is them working an advantage / you not being situationally aware. If you see the missiles coming you can dodge them - an ability you dont have with a sniper opponent. If you are a heavy you have to understand that the flaylock was created to kill you so if you carry a heavy weapon and worry about it get trained up in a pistol. You can pick off FP users quicker if you are a good shot. I empathized with you that CCP hasnt created a heavy mid range weapon. Really dont know what else you want - a hug? good points. It's that this sidearm has very low pg/cpu requirements and decent range. compared to the SMG for example. It is easily balanced if the range is shortened slightly and increase pg/cpu requirements |
N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.01 19:01:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:I have a couple questions for the people who think the core flaylock is a problem as I never see them in the matches I play
1. What ranges is the weapon actually good at? is it dropping people at 60+ meters or is it just able to go toe to toe with an AR?
2. are other weapons still able to compete or is this a Tac AR 2.0 where there is no reason to use anything else?
3. what would you suggest for balancing it? Just crying OP would make the flaylock get nerfed too hard like the LR. 1. It is good at close and medium range. I use adv flaylock btw. So core is probably even better. 2. Other weapons can compete but this is the bset sidearm by far 3. Shorter range and reduced rate of fire. |
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