If you can insta-transfer ISK from Merc to Merc instantly (like we'll be able to do) why not items in our inventory?
More than that, why not be able to transfer FULL FITS from Merc to Merc?
If CCP is about to implement an ISK transfer system than it kinda goes without saying that item exchange (for ISK...economy stuff...) would follow.
That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.

Because it takes time to implement. It's not like since they have ISK transfers they can automatically do item transfers.

Instead of GG messages, I'll send people scout suits :)

Instead of GG messages, I'll send people scout suits :)

Because it takes time to implement. It's not like since they have ISK transfers they can automatically do item transfers.

I see Isk transfers leading into some wacky things like gambling.

"Hey i bet a million isk i can get a higher kd/r this next match then you."

This isn't beta anymore. If you want to call this a MMOFPS Then why is it taking so long to get ISK/gear trades and a workable player market. This game has been in development for 5 years. There is no excuse for that.

If you can insta-transfer ISK from Merc to Merc instantly (like we'll be able to do) why not items in our inventory?
More than that, why not be able to transfer FULL FITS from Merc to Merc?
If CCP is about to implement an ISK transfer system than it kinda goes without saying that item exchange (for ISK...economy stuff...) would follow.
That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.

This isn't beta anymore. If you want to call this a MMOFPS Then why is it taking so long to get ISK/gear trades and a workable player market. This game has been in development for 5 years. There is no excuse for that.

This isn't beta anymore. If you want to call this a MMOFPS Then why is it taking so long to get ISK/gear trades and a workable player market. This game has been in development for 5 years. There is no excuse for that.

Because there are a crapton of other things that need to be in place in order to have a STABLE economy. If CCP came out tomorrow and said that there would be no more items for sale on the market except from other players, the economy would look like Zimbabwe's real fast.

We have no means of production and removal of the npc market would create a finite supply of gear with no means of replenishment. Conversely, keeping npc markets and also allowing player trading puts artificial caps on items as well as the resources needed to manufacture said items.

Eventually, the dust economy will be merged with the eve economy. If both aren't strong and stable then CCP might as well just shut the servers down because both games will fail.

A full economy that ties in to Eve is on the way eventually.

You all do know this, right?

Because there are a crapton of other things that need to be in place in order to have a STABLE economy. If CCP came out tomorrow and said that there would be no more items for sale on the market except from other players, the economy would look like Zimbabwe's real fast.

We have no means of production and removal of the npc market would create a finite supply of gear with no means of replenishment. Conversely, keeping npc markets and also allowing player trading puts artificial caps on items as well as the resources needed to manufacture said items.

Eventually, the dust economy will be merged with the eve economy. If both aren't strong and stable then CCP might as well just shut the servers down because both games will fail.

I missed the part where I apologized...

As I said, there are a ton of pieces missing from the puzzle that you want. Take an econ class and learn the nenecessary parts of a functional and independent economy then see if dust is ready for that.

Hint: It's not.

Unless you want to be paying millions of isk for militia gear pretty soon that is.

Why not? Gotta do SOMETHING in our Merc Quarters.

My vote is some sexy female Gallente exotic dancers, they're usually pretty fun to do in your Merc Quarters

Or just about anywhere, really

And what exactly is missing? We get salvage, it sits there doing nothing because unless you use that salvage it is worthless. We already have a price plan in place due to NPC sellers. Unless it is an officer weapon it will not cost more than what the NPC sells it for. Infact it will cost less because people want to sell it if they don't use it.

Also this is supposed to be an MMO. Where is the player interaction? The battlefield is the only place. No trading and very limited ISK transfers are bad for the MMO side of the game. Just face it, CCP dropped the ball, and ISK trading is a good start but you don't need a production line in place to open up a market. Just on salvage alone it would be worthwhile to have a player market.

Econ class, please. You are putting way too much thought into this process. So once again, quit apologizing for CCP.

I was under the impression that CCP was mainly worried about crashing the EVE market when DUST tied in to it. And I mean literally crashing it, not from an economic standpoint.

But on the economic side of things if there's not system for production in place where are the BPC's going to come from? If you keep it seeded with NPC prints then why would anyone want to buy BPC's from another player unless they're selling it at a loss? And how would you get the prints since we currently can't travel from system to system? Are DUST mercs going to be able to buy EVE items in order to sell them? Can we reprocess them? Will that require new skills? And how would we move the minerals and components from that job? And if we can't buy EVE items why not? Are we actually going to have two separate markets then that just update quantities between them? Will the DUST market contain only infantry blueprints while the EVE market contains both? Will EVE players have to move the blueprints to a certain system in order to sell it? If DUST mercs can sell prints on the market to EVE players what's to stop someone from putting a print on the market for 20 billion ISK in order to transfer that amount to the DUST toon? Are we going to use the same ISK value as EVE, is there going to he some kind of enormous tax so that it's only feasible for capsuleers to sell to mercs and not the other way around?

I could go on but the point is CCP should have figured this out already but they're digging themselves deeper and deeper in to this hole the longer they wait. It's not a simple thing to do so while I think they should have had it done by now I can appreciate how it's getting more and more difficult as DUST grows.

I was under the impression that CCP was mainly worried about crashing the EVE market when DUST tied in to it. And I mean literally crashing it, not from an economic standpoint.

But on the economic side of things if there's not system for production in place where are the BPC's going to come from?

If you keep it seeded with NPC prints then why would anyone want to buy BPC's from another player unless they're selling it at a loss? And how would you get the prints since we currently can't travel from system to system?

Are DUST mercs going to be able to buy EVE items in order to sell them? Can we reprocess them? Will that require new skills? And how would we move the minerals and components from that job? And if we can't buy EVE items why not? Are we actually going to have two separate markets then that just update quantities between them? Will the DUST market contain only infantry blueprints while the EVE market contains both? Will EVE players have to move the blueprints to a certain system in order to sell it? If DUST mercs can sell prints on the market to EVE players what's to stop someone from putting a print on the market for 20 billion ISK in order to transfer that amount to the DUST toon? Are we going to use the same ISK value as EVE, is there going to he some kind of enormous tax so that it's only feasible for capsuleers to sell to mercs and not the other way around?

I could go on but the point is CCP should have figured this out already but they're digging themselves deeper and deeper in to this hole the longer they wait. It's not a simple thing to do so while I think they should have had it done by now I can appreciate how it's getting more and more difficult as DUST grows.

As for the technical aspect of it linking together, all it is is a database.

This does not matter for DUST/DUST though as long as the markets are separated it would be an easy task to link all DUST markets together. Which is a far better resolution to the nothing we currently have while CCP figures out how to link EVE/DUST markets.

Where they already come from, NPCs and salvage.

You forgot the part where mercs buyout all npc items and resell at a higher value. Npc do not set the price once players enter the market. So your "mercs will sell at a loss" theory is invalid.