CCP has ready addressed this. The simple fact is that these skills justify the time investment because they are by far the most useful as far as core skills, so maxing both should be sorta an achievement. I think it makes sense and am fine with how it is.

The simple fact is that these skills justify the time investment because they are by far the most useful as far as core skills, so maxing both should be sorta an achievement. I think it makes sense and am fine with how it is.

I agree that they are hugely beneficial core skills but *5 is a lot of SP to invest... it seems to be the way CCP is going these days. *3 would be much more reasonable.

Given what this allows you to do by adding better modules to cheaper fittings though, I wouldn't want it to go any lower.

It would be nice if there was some way to scale the cost of these percentage-based skills to somehow depend on the benefit received. I don't get much benefit from 5% CPU added onto the base CPU of standard scout suit, but at the same time, these skills are much more needed for me to cram stuff into my scout fits.

The Assault/Logi/Heavies get much more benefit as the % is applied to higher base stats (CPU-wise, anyway) and yet, ironically, the skills are needed less.

*3 would really make this much more bearable.

imho. a much better way of doing is if they were core skills specific to each suit.

so... Caldari Logisitics Dropsuit Operation (x8), Caldari Logistics Dropsuit Engineering (x1), Caldari Logisitcs Dropsuit Electronics (x1)

imho. a much better way of doing is if they were core skills specific to each suit.

so... Caldari Logisitics Dropsuit Operation (x8), Caldari Logistics Dropsuit Engineering (x1), Caldari Logisitcs Dropsuit Electronics (x1)

so new players can catch up easier and veteran players that start branching out will need to play the x1 cost repeatedly.

I also feel this same kind of passive needs to come to vehicles as well... maybe as a (x2) since vehicles are usually more expensive than dropsuits.

The current dropsuit elec/eng skills would then drop to (x2) and be used solely to unlock CPU/PG upgrade modules... exactly like they were in chromosome.

Bad idea, imo. Theres no reason to restrict them to specializations and it only causemore clamor for respecs when players realize they may have wasted SP into a suit they didnt want, more so than now. It would also be relative to just that suit, so the benefits wouldnt help them as a new player in trying out different things.

Engineering and electronics provides a substantial edge and if a new player trains both its possible to outfita Standard BPO suit (like the Dragonfly series) with Advanced gear. That helps reduce ISK costs and provides them some stability. Better to be frustrated tryingto roll against veterans than to be frustrated and broke.

Its the only solution I could see them going for. And you would need to max out 5 suits before it caught up with the current cost of these skills.

They'll never drop them from x5 as it... too powerful of a skill when it applies globally to every suit.

Not many people will be running more than maybe 2 suits for a long time... and it gives you the flexibility to decide how deep into a dropsuit you really want to go. Also... multiple x1s are a lot easier to work on than a single x5 (imo at least, I hate having to save 2 weeks of SP on a single skill).

You could do some cool things with it too... like.. for example excluding the bonus from basic suits, and buffing basic suits to have ~115% of their current CPU/PG. This leaves basic suits as a generic suit to easily spec into for those who don't want to push into tech 2, while offering deep specialization options of those who want to commit into tech 2 of a specific race/frame and get advantages over basic frames at the cost of substantial SP.

They won't just lower it unfortunately... if they had any intention of doing so I think they would have done it at the same time they lowered the dropsuit SP modifiers.

Honestly, just because a skill is useful doesn't mean it has to be a huge SP sink.

Agreed, just the cost of going from Lvl 4 to Lvl 5 is pretty crazy, 777,300 is a lot of SP! In my case on my 1-series Caldari Assault suit the 777,300 will increase my PG by just 2 points. The cost of the skill is a lot when I am only gaining 2 PG but I need the extra PG in order to fit better mods

Its this player's opinion that 3,109,200 SP in two skills that are mandatory is a bit excessive. Reducing them from x5 to x3, more in line with other Dropsuit Upgrades skills, would make for ease of access into better fittings and reduce unecessary grind to be able to fit better gear on dropsuits.

By reducing this, you allow players an excess of 1,243,680 SP that could be spent elsewhere.

Discuss.

I don't mind skill sinks in the right places, but I'm with Aeon in that I don't like some of the deeper investments early in the curve on universally applied skills. This was why we pushed CCP to address the skill tree to begin with, because the barrier of entry to interesting fits was simply too severe in the first pass that was shown during Uprising's initial release.

I don't mind skill sinks in the right places, but I'm with Aeon in that I don't like some of the deeper investments early in the curve on universally applied skills. This was why we pushed CCP to address the skill tree to begin with, because the barrier of entry to interesting fits was simply too severe in the first pass that was shown during Uprising's initial release.

No.
This is a core element that separates the boys from the men. Put in your time and you will see

[FEEDBACK] Electronics and Engineering skills for dropsuits and vehicles (being too high a progression path) from CPM feedback.
Update: This is part of the skill progression change and the skills in question offer bonuses that justify their SP cost.

I will say this... I wouldn't hope for much on this front anytime soon... if ever.

but I am all for it... I need those skills badly in order to complete my proto build.. most cause I need complex CPU upgrade... but man I don't want to get them.. 777k is gonna suuuuuck