these numbers are leaving out certain factors, I am a heavy and usually run around with EHP of around 1150 but I still can be one shotted by proto flaylocks and killed by one grenade. There are outlying factors, cone of fire with the SMG, direct damage stacked with AOE damage from flaylocks/grenades. I do not know, but I understand why people think flaylocks are OP because of the way they perform, outside the basic numbers you have shown.

Need to account for the 135% to armor.

Base stats on the godlock pistol aren't terrible, but the rate of fire combined with splash and the minmatar assault bonus (which is ridiculous and needs to be changed) make the core godlock incredibly powerful.

Doesn't matter what you're saying on paper... The godlock is by far the most powerful sidearm, and is more powerful than a lot of light weapons too. It's pretty much on the level of fused locus nades.

It needs a RoF reduction, to around half its current, and explosives need a generally change in efficacy, probably to something around 90/110 instead of 70/135.

While numbers are interesting and also important, they aren't the whole truth.
They can even fool you.

What matters a lot is functionality.
Often in case of weps it means damage projection and situational usability.

This.

You can't spreadsheet in an FPS... There is so much more to the picture than numbers.

I find it interesting how you guys criticize my form of evidence, yet you don't present evidence of your own so suggest that the flaylock is OP; you just say it is, and how you want to nerf it without actual reasoning behind it. Why should I just take your word that its OP?

Going to bed now, will check on this thread later.

The DPS numbers are interesting, but I think the biggest factor is range. You say that the scrambler pistol has roughly the same range as the flaylock, but you try hitting people 50-60m away with a scrambler pistol. You even have the SMG listed as 44m range. That may be the maximum range, but there's also an effective range. SMGs may be able to hit you out to 44m, but only about 1 in every 15 or so bullets will actually hit. Scrambler pistols are also good close in, especially if you can get a head shot, but lose a lot of their kick once you move out a bit because it's tricky to aim it very far. Since the flaylock is an explosive weapon, its effective range and maximum range are one and the same. It's also much easier to aim, and the splash damage ensure that even a near miss still has impact. The flaylock is what the mass driver should be...an effective, mid-distance explosive round launching weapon. A sidearm is supposed to be your close range "oh crap" weapon. It's what specialists use when they're out of their element and what assault characters use when they're out of ammo. Aside from the occasional nova knife boners, I almost never see someone with an assault rifle or scrambler rifle use a sidearm while their primary weapon can still shoot. With the flaylock, I've seen people use it as their primary weapon. That should tell you something in and of itself.

*All stats are from prototype level*
*Ranges found here*

[Comparison]
Flaylock pistol
Damage per shot: direct 239.8 / splash 214.5
Damage per second (DPS): EDIT - 3 shots fired in about 2 seconds(used stopwatch), direct 359.7 / splash 321.75
Damage per mag: direct 719.4 / splash 643.5
Range: 60 m? (only the 'Splashbone' was checked)

Scrambler pistol
Damage per shot: 88
DPS: 733.33 (and that's not even with the crazy awesome headshot multiplier)
Damage per mag: (+5 shots per magazine size skill bonus factored) 968
Range: around 61 m

SMG
Damage per shot: 25.3
DPS: 421.66
Damage per mag: 2024
Range: 44 m

[Conclusion]
The prototype flaylock pistol's DPS pales in comparison by hundreds of points, even with direct damage. The damage per magazine is also underwhelming, meaning it can kill less people with just one magazine in comparison to the other sidearms. What the flaylock pistol gets is splash (2.5 meters with maxed out operation skill), which makes it much easier to damage targets since just landing hits close to them does the job; this advantage however is in exchange for DPS.

Basically the flaylock is more likely to do damage because of splash, but has much lower damage per second as a tradeoff. Seems fair to me. I really hope it isn't nerfed in 1.2 because I think its pretty balanced.

A modest reduction in splash damage might be needed if there really are problems.

/me activates flame shield.

*EDIT: My initial fire rate and DPS for flaylock was off, corrected it. Still much lower DPS than other sidearms, making splash damage and radius fair.

I find it interesting how you guys criticize my form of evidence, yet you don't present evidence of your own so suggest that the flaylock is OP; you just say it is, and how you want to nerf it without actual reasoning behind it. Why should I just take your word that its OP?

Going to bed now, will check on this thread later.

The DPS numbers are interesting, but I think the biggest factor is range. You say that the scrambler pistol has roughly the same range as the flaylock, but you try hitting people 50-60m away with a scrambler pistol. You even have the SMG listed as 44m range. That may be the maximum range, but there's also an effective range. SMGs may be able to hit you out to 44m, but only about 1 in every 15 or so bullets will actually hit. Scrambler pistols are also good close in, especially if you can get a head shot, but lose a lot of their kick once you move out a bit because it's tricky to aim it very far. Since the flaylock is an explosive weapon, its effective range and maximum range are one and the same. It's also much easier to aim, and the splash damage ensure that even a near miss still has impact. The flaylock is what the mass driver should be...an effective, mid-distance explosive round launching weapon. A sidearm is supposed to be your close range "oh crap" weapon. It's what specialists use when they're out of their element and what assault characters use when they're out of ammo. Aside from the occasional nova knife boners, I almost never see someone with an assault rifle or scrambler rifle use a sidearm while their primary weapon can still shoot. With the flaylock, I've seen people use it as their primary weapon. That should tell you something in and of itself.

I am a heavy and usually run around with EHP of around 1150 but I still can be one shotted by proto flaylocks

With the flaylock, I've seen people use it as their primary weapon. That should tell you something in and of itself.

Ease of aiming, hitting and general use is a serious plus for the flaylock.
In your number sets, the scrambler pistol does beat the flaylock, IF it lands all of its shots solidly. If it misses even one, then the flaylock outdamages it - and it even outdamages it on splash.
This is a key point for the flaylock - it's much much easier to land all of your shots, even on splash, than it is for any other sidearm.

EDIT: Also, on range - the scrambler pistol and SMG suffer from significantly reduced damage at their maximum range, while the flaylock doesn't.

*All stats are from prototype level*
*Ranges found here*

[Comparison]
Flaylock pistol
Damage per shot: direct 239.8 / splash 214.5
Damage per second (DPS): EDIT - 3 shots fired in about 2 seconds(used stopwatch), direct 359.7 / splash 321.75
Damage per mag: direct 719.4 / splash 643.5
Range: 60 m? (only the 'Splashbone' was checked)

Scrambler pistol
Damage per shot: 88
DPS: 733.33 (and that's not even with the crazy awesome headshot multiplier)
Damage per mag: (+5 shots per magazine size skill bonus factored) 968
Range: around 61 m

SMG
Damage per shot: 25.3
DPS: 421.66
Damage per mag: 2024
Range: 44 m

[Conclusion]
The prototype flaylock pistol's DPS pales in comparison by hundreds of points, even with direct damage. The damage per magazine is also underwhelming, meaning it can kill less people with just one magazine in comparison to the other sidearms. What the flaylock pistol gets is splash (2.5 meters with maxed out operation skill), which makes it much easier to damage targets since just landing hits close to them does the job; this advantage however is in exchange for DPS.

Basically the flaylock is more likely to do damage because of splash, but has much lower damage per second as a tradeoff. Seems fair to me. I really hope it isn't nerfed in 1.2 because I think its pretty balanced.

A modest reduction in splash damage might be needed if there really are problems.

/me activates flame shield.

*EDIT: My initial fire rate and DPS for flaylock was off, corrected it. Still much lower DPS than other sidearms, making splash damage and radius fair.