DUST Search - Prototype gear question

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

The Attorney General wrote:

If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it.

Are you new here?

Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes.

The idea is supposed to be that ADV is the best stuff currently fielded by armed forces.

PRO is the cutting edge new tech that hasn't yet seen field testing and widespread adoption.

But that is the problem you see.. Prototypes are never as good as the Finish product, and most "prototypes" are normally rubbish until they go to the "Advanced" development stages.

I was just presenting the idea they're running with.

As for them not being as good as the finished product, sure, they might not be. A current prototype weapon might be making use of a newly miniaturized powersource, one with far higher potential output. In the current PRO weapons it's only achieving a marginal increase in output over conventional methods when, refined, it should be much higher.

Fits in well with the LR, actually. When the Viziam prototype blows up in your face it blows up hard.

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Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:46:00 - [1] - Quote Should Prototype be before Advanced ? Prototype : the original or model on which something is based or formed. So advanced gear should be better than Prototype .. in theory.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 180	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:58:00 - [2] - Quote If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here?
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:00:00 - [3] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here? Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 180	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:02:00 - [4] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Are you new here? I just saying that it makes no sense. Why do you want me to repeat myself?
Rifter7 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:03:00 - [5] - Quote its a new prototype version of the gear that has not become the standard yet. not sure why thats hard to understand..
Poplo Furuya Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:05:00 - [6] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here? Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes. The idea is supposed to be that ADV is the best stuff currently fielded by armed forces. PRO is the cutting edge new tech that hasn't yet seen field testing and widespread adoption.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:08:00 - [7] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here? Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes. The idea is supposed to be that ADV is the best stuff currently fielded by armed forces. PRO is the cutting edge new tech that hasn't yet seen field testing and widespread adoption. But that is the problem you see.. Prototypes are never as good as the Finish product, and most "prototypes" are normally rubbish until they go to the "Advanced" development stages.
Henchmen21 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:09:00 - [8] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here? Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes. I view it as the prototype of the next gen suit beyond the advanced. And hey look I answered a question with out being a total douche bag about it!
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 264	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:12:00 - [9] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I view it as the prototype of the next gen suit beyond the advanced. This It's just terminology, and CCP can play with different interpretations all they want and call it whatever they want. They can even call it Superman tier because it is better than normal or whatever.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1041	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:13:00 - [10] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Should Prototype be before Advanced ? Prototype : the original or model on which something is based or formed. So Advanced gear should be better than Prototype .. in theory. It is the prototype to the next level of gear beyond Advanced.

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:15:00 - [11] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I view it as the prototype of the next gen suit beyond the advanced. This It's just terminology, and CCP can play with different interpretations all they want and call it whatever they want. They can even call it Superman tier because it is better than normal or whatever. But they can't you see.. because everything in Dust 514 is attach to EvE lore ....How EvE lore will excuse this level of progress ?
Poplo Furuya Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:16:00 - [12] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here? Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes. The idea is supposed to be that ADV is the best stuff currently fielded by armed forces. PRO is the cutting edge new tech that hasn't yet seen field testing and widespread adoption. But that is the problem you see.. Prototypes are never as good as the Finish product, and most "prototypes" are normally rubbish until they go to the "Advanced" development stages. I was just presenting the idea they're running with. As for them not being as good as the finished product, sure, they might not be. A current prototype weapon might be making use of a newly miniaturized powersource, one with far higher potential output. In the current PRO weapons it's only achieving a marginal increase in output over conventional methods when, refined, it should be much higher. Fits in well with the LR, actually. When the Viziam prototype blows up in your face it blows up hard.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:22:00 - [13] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: The Attorney General wrote: If it didn't say PRO in the targeting info, people wouldn't wear it. Are you new here? Yeah, i know about the "I'm a PRO gamer" Illusion.. I just saying that it makes no sense. Advanced gear should be base on Prototypes. The idea is supposed to be that ADV is the best stuff currently fielded by armed forces. PRO is the cutting edge new tech that hasn't yet seen field testing and widespread adoption. But that is the problem you see.. Prototypes are never as good as the Finish product, and most "prototypes" are normally rubbish until they go to the "Advanced" development stages. I was just presenting the idea they're running with. As for them not being as good as the finished product, sure, they might not be. A current prototype weapon might be making use of a newly miniaturized powersource, one with far higher potential output. In the current PRO weapons it's only achieving a marginal increase in output over conventional methods when, refined, it should be much higher. Fits in well with the LR, actually. When the Viziam prototype blows up in your face it blows up hard. Agreed. But Prototype shouldn't be better than all the Advanced gear by default. Prototype gear should have "some" problems, that is why it is in the "testing" stages.
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 264	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:24:00 - [14] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Agreed. But Prototype shouldn't be better than all the Advanced gear by default. Prototype gear should have "some" problems, that is why is in the "testing" stages. TBH I agree with you but I don't really mind at all, I mean firstly you can't reason with :CCP magic:, and secondly it's the last of problems in this game lol. Also, prototype sounds "cooler" than advanced so it has some appeal.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2013.06.29 14:30:00 - [15] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Agreed. But Prototype shouldn't be better than all the Advanced gear by default. Prototype gear should have "some" problems, that is why is in the "testing" stages. TBH I agree with you but I don't really mind at all, I mean firstly you can't reason with :CCP magic:, and secondly it's the last of problems in this game lol. Also, prototype sounds "cooler" than advanced so it has some appeal. But it is a problem in the game... if you close the gap between Advanced and Prototype, that will help to balance the game. You still get the "good" looks of the Proto gear, but without the overkill.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 507	Posted - 2013.06.29 15:41:00 - [16] - Quote Yeah I agree with that it is weird. Would be nice if it would be other way around. but, that's how CCP chose and it's prolly gonna stay that way. Either way, it's ofc not a big thing.
Talbain Sigmund Deep Black Industries Yulai Federation 2	Posted - 2013.06.29 16:19:00 - [17] - Quote Well it's also based on a current timeframe. We're used to prototype being before the fully functional model. In dust you have the basic gear, it's advanced version, and then the prototypes for the newest best stuff on the field. It's more of a testbed of the emerging technologies than a prototype for the stuff that's already around.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2013.06.29 16:22:00 - [18] - Quote Prototype equipment is the precursor to God Mode gear.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 52	Posted - 2013.06.29 16:27:00 - [19] - Quote I think that the real meaning with the use of "prototype" is "experimental" which is a perfectly valid use of the word prototype. It sounds better also.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 164	Posted - 2013.06.29 16:28:00 - [20] - Quote The order is like Militia > Standard > Advanced > Prototype > Rare Prototype is pretty much the next generation of tech, even if its not "complete" its still vastly superior to high grade models. Prototype doesnt always mean the product is crappy, maybe its just incomplete and needs further testing to be approved for general use. As for rare weapons, I imagine they're customized prototypes further tuned for the mercenaries making them more of a completed prototype model.



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