DUST Search - [Request] Contact Flux Grenades

stlcarlos989 wrote:

Doshneil Antaro wrote:

Sure, let's just allow players in militia suit and gear equip dual flalocks and contact shield busting fluxes to beat almost any proto suit in the game with zero skill involved. Bad troll post.

There is some merit to Flux needing an av variant. There should be separate and work how the regular av's do now. As is, shield lavs and tanks are almost impossible to counter short of the driver being a complete tard with the current fluxes. As it is now, you first have to cook the Flux, aim, then throw. If you manage to hit the targeted vehicle, you have to repeat the same process, by which time the vehicle will catch on and more than likely already be out of range as your second grenade simply falls on the empty road.

Exactly if they introduced a flux contact grenade I would stop playing it would make shield tanking completely pointless, all any would have to do is get up high with flux contact nades, flaylocks, and nanohives and they could just rain down terror and they would kill anything below almost instantly.

There should be no contact grenades of any kind in the game.
It completely eliminates the skill of being able to properly cook a grenade.

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Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 526	Posted - 2013.06.29 04:29:00 - [1] - Quote Why? Just fkin becuz... I would bet all my isk it would be a best seller. Make an aurum variant? You're welcome, CCP. Savor the tears. Flux/Mass Driver Flux/Flaylock Flux/SMG Flux/HMG Some people say the Flux Nades are supposed to be AV. If so, why aren't they contact detonated like AV nades then? Make a "Fused Flux Grenade", and all will be well with the world once again.
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 70	Posted - 2013.06.29 05:43:00 - [2] - Quote Sure, let's just allow players in militia suit and gear equip dual flalocks and contact shield busting fluxes to beat almost any proto suit in the game with zero skill involved. Bad troll post. There is some merit to Flux needing an av variant. There should be separate and work how the regular av's do now. As is, shield lavs and tanks are almost impossible to counter short of the driver being a complete tard with the current fluxes. As it is now, you first have to cook the Flux, aim, then throw. If you manage to hit the targeted vehicle, you have to repeat the same process, by which time the vehicle will catch on and more than likely already be out of range as your second grenade simply falls on the empty road.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 230	Posted - 2013.06.29 06:03:00 - [3] - Quote Fused flux, interesting, at least they don't instakill. I would also like a flux proximity mine.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 185	Posted - 2013.06.29 06:46:00 - [4] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: Sure, let's just allow players in militia suit and gear equip dual flalocks and contact shield busting fluxes to beat almost any proto suit in the game with zero skill involved. Bad troll post. There is some merit to Flux needing an av variant. There should be separate and work how the regular av's do now. As is, shield lavs and tanks are almost impossible to counter short of the driver being a complete tard with the current fluxes. As it is now, you first have to cook the Flux, aim, then throw. If you manage to hit the targeted vehicle, you have to repeat the same process, by which time the vehicle will catch on and more than likely already be out of range as your second grenade simply falls on the empty road. Exactly if they introduced a flux contact grenade I would stop playing it would make shield tanking completely pointless, all any would have to do is get up high with flux contact nades, flaylocks, and nanohives and they could just rain down terror and they would kill anything below almost instantly. There should be no contact grenades of any kind in the game. It completely eliminates the skill of being able to properly cook a grenade.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1011	Posted - 2013.06.29 07:16:00 - [5] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: There should be no contact grenades of any kind in the game. It completely eliminates the skill of being able to properly cook a grenade. Agreed. contact grenades aren't fun to fight against. CCP watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g A damage over time flux grenade would be cool though. something to block off an area for 5-10 seconds would be sweet.
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 73	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:35:00 - [6] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Doshneil Antaro wrote: Sure, let's just allow players in militia suit and gear equip dual flalocks and contact shield busting fluxes to beat almost any proto suit in the game with zero skill involved. Bad troll post. There is some merit to Flux needing an av variant. There should be separate and work how the regular av's do now. As is, shield lavs and tanks are almost impossible to counter short of the driver being a complete tard with the current fluxes. As it is now, you first have to cook the Flux, aim, then throw. If you manage to hit the targeted vehicle, you have to repeat the same process, by which time the vehicle will catch on and more than likely already be out of range as your second grenade simply falls on the empty road. Exactly if they introduced a flux contact grenade I would stop playing it would make shield tanking completely pointless, all any would have to do is get up high with flux contact nades, flaylocks, and nanohives and they could just rain down terror and they would kill anything below almost instantly. There should be no contact grenades of any kind in the game. It completely eliminates the skill of being able to properly cook a grenade. I completely agree. contact grenades are easy mode, and thus need to go. It is bad enough that everything but the Fluxs and later rifle are good to great at killing armor as is. I don't understand ccps line of reasoning behind so many uber armor killing weapons. The flaylock can be equipped with little to no pg, and moderate cpu. If I stack armor, I am so slow that they get direct damage and 2shot you, if I don't stack armor, they just hit near my feet and 2shot me. Contact grenades instability almost always.
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 73	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:43:00 - [7] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: There should be no contact grenades of any kind in the game. It completely eliminates the skill of being able to properly cook a grenade. Agreed. contact grenades aren't fun to fight against. CCP watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g A damage over time flux grenade would be cool though. something to block off an area for 5-10 seconds would be sweet. Thanks for that video. If only we could get the devs to watch it.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1231	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:46:00 - [8] - Quote Contact Flux seem at least as reasonable as the current contact nades, maybe even a bit more reasonable since no flux nade of any level can OHK a suit or vehicle unlike the current contacts which most certainly can. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ whether or not contact nades are a good mechanic at all is a whole debate on it's own but as long as they're in game I see no reason why flux shouldn't have a version of them
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 74	Posted - 2013.06.30 17:19:00 - [9] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Contact Flux seem at least as reasonable as the current contact nades, maybe even a bit more reasonable since no flux nade of any level can OHK a suit or vehicle unlike the current contacts which most certainly can. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ whether or not contact nades are a good mechanic at all is a whole debate on it's own but as long as they're in game I see no reason why flux shouldn't have a version of them It is unfair that flux don't have a contact variant, but combined as my first posts says just shows how broken this would be. Did I mention everyone would jump on this band wagon Thus breaking the game yet again.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:00:00 - [10] - Quote I think contact grenades can serve a useful role. They could be opening moves (esp. a flux version) for some quick damage or they could be finishing moves for when you run out of ammo, don't have time to reload, and the enemy is to far to melee. The flux version could even be used to deny opponents a chance to recharge their shields. However, they are currently too powerful. Reduce the damage and they will stop being used as a main method of attack.
Doshneil Antaro SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 77	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:09:00 - [11] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: I think contact grenades can serve a useful role. They could be opening moves (esp. a flux version) for some quick damage or they could be finishing moves for when you run out of ammo, don't have time to reload, and the enemy is to far to melee. The flux version could even be used to deny opponents a chance to recharge their shields. However, they are currently too powerful. Reduce the damage and they will stop being used as a main method of attack. Although your post is well thought out and is constructive, you fail to address how this makes everything easy mode as op openly admits. This means that a) your ignorant of the fact of how this will be exploited horribly or b) you yourself would like to abuse such a feature. Consider this whole post Saged, as there is no way to argue that they can't /won't be abused.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 544	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:12:00 - [12] - Quote Well, FYI. The post was a troll post. It was meant to raise discussion about contact grenades overall. Nothing is wrong with contact detonation in general as a delivery medium, but we need to review it's application. I've been using the Thukker nade on my sniper fit, and I have to say, that thing is a ***** to use. It's actually harder to use than the aurum Fused Locus Grenade. It's very difficult to hit moving targets at a distance with. Someone literally has to be right ON you, for it to really shine. That said, I think the Thukker is a good example of a balanced contact grenade. The reduced blast radius is the huge arguing point for it's balance. HOWEVER, the Fused Locus Grenade would need a reduced blast radius as well. The Thukker has a downside to its use. The Aurum fused nade, does not. It either needs to go, or it's blast radius needs to be cut. Anything done with a contact grenade delivery medium should follow a rule of "low radius, high yield". The Thukker grenade is useless unless you are PRECISELY up-close, and on-point. The Fused Locus Grenade does not follow this rule, so it needs to go. Same could be applied to a hypothetical contact flux nade; low radius, high yield. If you are not on-point with it, too bad, you miss. So a contact nade can reasonably be used for: - low radius, high yield warheads - "flashbangs" - smoke screens
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2013.06.30 18:15:00 - [13] - Quote As I noted, they are too powerful. Reduce the damage of the fused locus so they can't even OHK a scout and then they should be very hard to exploit.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 315	Posted - 2013.06.30 19:07:00 - [14] - Quote Good to know this is a troll thread because as a scout I shudder at the thought

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