DUST Search - Logi offensive nerf proposal

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Justin Tymes wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

I personally agree with you that logi having only a Sidearm would bring them more in line with a Support role.

However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up.

They're intended for Support, not Assault, they should have only secondary combat viability.

This mentally that the Logi suit is just meant to stand there and rep people is the problem. If that was the case, CCP would have never created the Amarr suit. Logibro were clearly meant to be a utility unit, not a healing slave. I haven't seen a single reason yet to nerf the Logibro to Sidearms other than "Calogi is OP", which has nothing to do with the rest of the Logi suits.

I have NEVER stated that the Logi is only meant to stand there and rep people. I wholeheartedly agree that that idea is utter garbage.

However, the belief that Logis need to be able to be some kind of "Rambo the Repper" is counter to the entire idea of the Logi IMHO. They need to be able to Support their squad/team though the strategic application of Equipment. I personally enjoy being more of a Ninja-Logi (no, I will not elaborate) than the Combat Medic there with my Heavy on a Reps Leash (I disagree with your healing slave statement, if anything the Heavy is the Logis DPS slave).

Either way, it isn't like Sidearms aren't intended to do the same thing as Light and Heavy Weapons (which is to say that they are all designed as murder tools). Focusing fire with squadmates/teammates is another method of Support. Sidearms are well more than sufficient for such a task.


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Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2013.06.28 00:32:00 - [1] - Quote >Sees that Calogi is OP >Wants to nerf all Logibros because of it
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2013.06.28 00:59:00 - [2] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: I personally agree with you that logi having only a Sidearm would bring them more in line with a Support role. However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up. They're intended for Support, not Assault, they should have only secondary combat viability. This mentally that the Logi suit is just meant to stand there and rep people is the problem. If that was the case, CCP would have never created the Amarr suit. Logibro were clearly meant to be a utility unit, not a healing slave. I haven't seen a single reason yet to nerf the Logibro to Sidearms other than "Calogi is OP", which has nothing to do with the rest of the Logi suits.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 160	Posted - 2013.06.28 01:48:00 - [3] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: I personally agree with you that logi having only a Sidearm would bring them more in line with a Support role. However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up. They're intended for Support, not Assault, they should have only secondary combat viability. This mentally that the Logi suit is just meant to stand there and rep people is the problem. If that was the case, CCP would have never created the Amarr suit. Logibro were clearly meant to be a utility unit, not a healing slave. I haven't seen a single reason yet to nerf the Logibro to Sidearms other than "Calogi is OP", which has nothing to do with the rest of the Logi suits. I have NEVER stated that the Logi is only meant to stand there and rep people. I wholeheartedly agree that that idea is utter garbage. However, the belief that Logis need to be able to be some kind of "Rambo the Repper" is counter to the entire idea of the Logi IMHO. They need to be able to Support their squad/team though the strategic application of Equipment. I personally enjoy being more of a Ninja-Logi (no, I will not elaborate) than the Combat Medic there with my Heavy on a Reps Leash (I disagree with your healing slave statement, if anything the Heavy is the Logis DPS slave). Either way, it isn't like Sidearms aren't intended to do the same thing as Light and Heavy Weapons (which is to say that they are all designed as murder tools). Focusing fire with squadmates/teammates is another method of Support. Sidearms are well more than sufficient for such a task. Any gun fight with a range over 10 meters makes the Logibro useless outside of being healing slave. And most gun fights will be, or at least start out that way. It would require the Logi to always be in CQC to support the team via coverfire, which goes against the purpose of supporting, since a dead Logi is a useless Logi. More importantly, the change would make the Amaar Logisuit useless since it lost its role, and the Gallente logisuit not worth using. As armor tankers they are both not fast enough to evade bullets, have less amount of chances to support in CQC due to slow recovery speed, and no where near fast enough to escape CQC without dying. Logibros already have an offensive nerf, as reload instantly makes them vulnerable(except for Amarr which again loses it's purpose), that goes double for MD users. They are still slower then the Assault and less bulky then the assault, outside of Calogi, which should be handled separately.