B/C I die too damn much which adds up even w/o losing proto suits. Everyone I come against has twice my HP so.... Unless it's satisfying to anyone sittin in the mountains on two spots a whole game to get your 6-8 kills as a sniper I don't see how anyone can go positive as a scout.

anyone finding smg scout better this build compared to shotty scout?

Go Racial Scout all the way, Duncan. It's dampening bonus is worth the SP.
As for the Light Suit skill, there's zero long-term reward in progressing beyond Lvl(3).

Tired of questionable outcomes?
Sick of being owned by ARs you get the drop on?
I submit to you, the FU-AR-514 Cheap Suit!

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DS: Dragonfly (BPO)
HI: Cmp Shield Ext.
LO: Mlt CPU, Enh Card Reg
PR: Toxin (BPO)
GR: Core Locus Nade
EQ: K/17 Nanohive

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^ You guessed it. Sneak in. Toss nade. Clean up with SMG.
If wounded or low on nades, run back to nanohive for love and more nades.

Cheap tactics, you say? Not as cheap as AR hipfire.
"F" -- with a capital F -- those entitled sycophants.

Just went 17/3 running this 27k loadout.
5.0+ is better than my average Proto SG performance.

Was in a match against my scout brothers and i was using my BPO assault suit they murdered us running around so fast if i killed one i get shot from behind from anther. Its crazy seeing a fast scout from a assault perspective if you don't see them first or don't have the better gear your pretty much dead. Also this is my Pub scout set up

Scout G-I Series
2 M512-A SMG
C17 Flux
2 Shield extenders
Enhance Cardiac
Enhance Kin Cat
Compact Nanohive

I've down graded my pub suit to 9k isk. Still posting top of the leaderboards every game. I'm done with spendy suits outside of PC.

Just wrapped up my 3rd match running AR on a Proto GalScout.
Our builds are pretty close; yours is way beefier.

Scout gk.0
1 Cmp Shield Ext
Dren AR (BPO)
M209 SMG
Core Locus
K2 Hives
2 Enh Plate
1 Cmp ArmRep
1 Cmp KinCat

^ I've died 4 times over the past three matches...3 of which involved me vs a Duvolle.
Compared to shotgunning, this loadout is easier on the wallet (not to mention my stats).

I can't imagine how hard this thing's gonna hit once I invest my next million SP.

Not sure how to feel about this.
Was never really interested in cloaking, never liked it in other games.
And I wasn't super interested in getting a second equipment slot. Not anymore anyway. But considering it'll be optional and it might come with a CPU/PG boost I have actually been wanting, who am I to complain?

Yeah, if you really need to, you can dump the equipment and take advantage of the extra CPU/PG to really max out the suit.

I won't though. I'll use a cloak and compact, combine with Knives and SMG and become the swashbuckling ninja assassin I have always dreamed of

Space Pirate FTW!

Been kind of burnt out on dust recently. Waiting on some parts to be shipped to me so I can try building a decent PC. There's some stuff on Steam I'd like to try.

Same i shred through anything lower then Advance gear if there proto i usually throw a flux down first then finish them off it's great.
Also I have proficiency 3, sharpshooter 2, rapid reload 2, i really don't see the need for ammo you get a lot already so i'll spend sp points into that later.

distraction? *check*

sabotage... not sure about you guys, but *check*

target practice? no way those aim assisted ARs do the tracking for them


and fyi, I keep aim assist off for hope when AA (if) gets nerfed I'll have an advantage at aiming.
[EDIT] and also AA is so strong when I move with my knives and suddenly turn into a wall its so strong!

[EDIT] also, medium frames can do distraction and sabotage better or just as good.

Hey Idye

Have fun, come back now you hear! ;-)

I use SMG/flaylock/flux combo i do fairly well with it to I get kills with it

Uplink runner are underrated, you dont get a good KD with but you can have a big loadout of WP. Advantage of being scout has an uplink runner is you can put uplink near ennemy letter in skirmish without been seen and put it at key location behind ennemy line, put an uplink hidden near your team letter without defensive mercs and on top of some roof. When i play lonewolf in skirmish and i have a bad team at start, i play uplink runner for the entire match, i even often finished first on my team / game in WP with a Score of 0/0, 1/0, 2/0 or 0/1 .Its fun too, you play like an infiltrator i like play it too and you help the new comers to have an advantage on the field and even make them liked the game.
Here is my proto load out in case your interested

Proto scout GK.0
1x adv. Shield extender
1x complex card reg
3x complex kin kan
1x proto uplink
1x locus nade
1x shotgun dren

I want your Balac's! lol

I'm loving my SMG even more now.

I took off my stamina and put on a CPU Enhnacer. Now, I have enough CPU to run as much Proto and shields as I want.

Proto Assault SMG + Complex Sidearm Damage mod + Proficiency, Sharpshooter, Reload 3 = OP SCOUT.

Not only that, but the Complex Damage mod also helps out the knives a ton. You just tap shot everyone. Half charge is enough for anything except one hell of a heavy.

I think this is how I will run my scout now

No.

Poll: Which Nickname Represents Sidearm Scouts Most?

• Jazz Scouts
• Buzz Bombers
• Sub-Scout

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Poll: Which Nickname Represents Sidearm Scouts Most?

• Jazz Scouts
• Buzz Bombers
• Sub-Scout

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I think it's a problem with latency. Your console view of things, is not the same thing as the server's view of things.
When you do an action, you think you're doing it in your view, but it actually is calculated for hit, on the server's view.
For chasing someone, I think part of the problem is that the client is doing collision calculations itself, rather than letting the server do it.

Attempted explanation: you're both running in the same direction, away from initial position '0'.
At some point in time, enemy is at position 10 in your view. You are at position 9.5.
you SHOULD have overtaken them, but your client calculates "I should be at position 10, but enemy is at the way. therefore, server, I am at position 9.5".

SO, after calculating the collision, your client tells the server "i'm at position 9.5". Trouble is, by then, miliseconds have passed, and enemy is at position 10.5
So, server view is that you are 1 unit apart, when you should really be only .5 units apart.
If knife range is only .5 units, then you miss.



Interesting "proof" of this;

I was running towards someone with knives yesterday. guy was standing still trying to shoot at me, or even moving towards me.
I did a knife, and killed him.. even though he seemed too far away at the time.
Reason: My view was not in sync with the server view: server had calculated that i was actually CLOSER to him than my client was displaying, so I got the hit/kill.


(For the curious: yes, I'm a programmer with experience dealing with network latency issues )



Hmmm. Related theory: if you want to catch and kill a running enemy, it should actually be possible NOW, with the right workaround:
quit chasing his back... run up BESIDE him, then do an angled attack. Tricky, but if you can train youself, this should be... 90%? effective?
It will be subject to the latency between you and the particular server you are connected to.

This is somewhat similar to "leading" your shooting with a gun against a running target.
The angle you'll need to use, will be dependant on both your relative speed to your enemy, and your server latency. Since your enemy is going to be some small distance ahead of where he LOOKS like he is to you.

The extra tricky bit is that you need to run up beside him, but knife him before getting in front of him enough that you show up on his radar :-/

Then there's the whole thing about if he decides to do the anti-sniper wiggle and change directions randomly :-/
Most cases it'll be safer/easier to just shadow him until he stops somewhere.

Incorrect! Ran proto gear every FW match yesterday. For the win!

gk.0
2 cmp plates, 1 cmp repper, 1 enh card reg
CRG-3, Toxin SMG, Core Nades
1 cmp shield, A-19 scanner

Similar today, but with a proto SG (for testing) ...

gk.0
1 cmp plate, 1 enh plate, 1 cmp repper, 1 enh cpu chip
Creodron SG, M209 SMG, Core Nades
1 cmp shield, A-19 scanner

Highly annoyed. Squadded up via Scouts United twice this afternoon.

First Squad - Five guys; not a single Scout.
Second Squad - Four guys; not a single Scout.

Dialogue with Second Squad:
Q. "Is this a Scout Squad?"
A. "Nah, man."
Q. "How'd you find me?"
A. "You LFS'd in one of the channels."

Since when is our sacred haven "one of the channels"!?
This is unacceptable.

If I wanted to squad with randoms, I'd LFS in Local or use the godd*mn Squad Finder.
How do we fix this?

Sir Shotty!

Please add me to your killboard / registry. I have decided to put my EZ mode on standby on this character and only break out my proto logi + AR prof 2 when I need to run team support for some bizzare reason (maybe in future corp battles?). I have a pitiful 800 kills and suitably scoutly .5 something KDR (I was a 'real' logi).

Now that I have wasted all of those SPs on items I won't use much more, and have all of that useless armor skill and repper skill, I have moved on to the minmatar scout frame (L1) with no scoutly scan/range/precision skills to speak of.

Solidarity, brothers!

Oh, and I've decided to remain on hard-mode, despite my longings for medium frame kill scores and more fairness and all of my bitterness about scouts getting the shaft.

I will chose an appropriate sidearm specialty soon and be on my to bankruptcy post-haste.

This is Matticus by the way.

the BLACK EAGLE actually goes like this "for people who think it has no slots"

gallente scout g/1 series (adv)

in the 2 highs it has (a militia shield extender) and an advanced extender (hidden)

in the lows we have (basic kincat) and a (basic range amp) both hidden

then for weapons we trade equipment for 2 light weapon slots

and grenades


also the hidden mods have level 5 bonuses (10% to both kincat module & range module)




thought I would post this here also (feedback welcome)

is the base speed faster than the G/1, because it feels like it is, but it may be my imagination.

I"m just throwing my Christmas List Scout Hotfix that I am hoping to see from CCP, and I am not just listing topics, we all mostly agree on the items that need boosted but I was curious on what you guys thought on the actual numbers, let me know if I'm breaking something.


I particularly like the first one

1) Profile Signature and Precision drop down from 45 to 40

- Doing this will save cpu and will functionally give the scout one extra low slot

--40 (.9) (.75 )= 27,

- Which is dead on where it needs to be considering the high level of sp investment it takes to get it there to beat a cheaper equipment item. This is also useful since high slot scouts (min/cal) will be suffering choice wise since low slots are so important (its why the gal is better than the min at the moment), it also frees up the gal scout for better cqc survival.

- Reduce Dampening mods by a factor of 5% to bring them in line with precision enhancers. This will also reduce the logi/medium "scout" phenomena, while making it hard for the scout to beat the focus


2) Base Stamina increase from 200 to 300

- This increases sprint duration from 20 seconds to 30 seconds

- Since CCP has a very low unofficial and now untested speed cap, stamina can be used to help alleviate the issue


3) Increase movement/sprint by .5 for each scout, and see how well that works

-The hit detection can account for this small increase


4) Fall Damage needs to be reduced by 80%

-Because of its current iteration, scouts one main defensive feature is cut incredible short due to this short fall, in fact the scout under duress has less escape options than the other dropsuits due to the high cost of fall damage on the scout.



Wild Card

Stealth Hacking- Doesn't notify that an objective is being hacked until it enters the contested state

I like this one because this would make scouts extremely useful in PC/FW/Skirmish on this factor alone.

What's wrong with the first two?

With all this talk of blue tags I was thinking that it is more surprising they haven't done a community spotlight on Shotty/this forum. I mean come on he deserves it for all his work on keeping track of the scout community and keeping us all from moving to the dark side. So here's to you Shotty! Thanks for all of this!

I kind of like it as a memorial. Although it's weird to see myself listed as dead.

Hmmm ... maybe I picked the wrong tank. Here's what happened:

Sneaked up behind tank (which was engaging allied infantry).
Waited for his invincibility to cycle.
Fired Plasma Cannon into arse-crack. Shields dropped.
Fired 2nd blast into arse-crack. Armor dropped by roughly 10%.
Tank reversed. I jumped on top of him. Fired 3rd blast for imperceptible damage.
Tank accelerated rapidly. I fell off. Got blasted.

Conclusion:
After sneaking up behind a tank, it's quicker to place REs on him than to blast with X times with Plasma Cannon.

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@ Appia
Please correct me where I'm wrong. I'm used the basic Plasma Cannon on a DragonFly Scout. Direct impact damage is slightly greater than 1k. Pretty sure I hit this guy in the right spot twice. By my math, successful take-down would've required 7-9 shots. How are you doing it differently? Am I shooting him in the wrong place?